80K new jobs in June; 85K more people on disability in June

[Listening]

"In just the last month, almost 275,000 put in applications for disability benefits." Does not not mean they will qualify. Lies by insinuation and omission.

Now you want to Blame Obama for people's disabilities?

This might help from a different article.

The disability ranks have outpaced job growth throughout President Obama's economic recovery. While the economy has created 2.6 million jobs since June 2009, fully 3.1 million workers signed up for disability benefits.

In other words, the number of new disability enrollees has climbed 19% faster than the number of new jobs created during the sluggish recovery. (Even after accounting for people who left the disability program because they died or aged into retirement, the disability ranks have climbed more than 1.1 million in the past three years.)

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Blame Obama for their disabilities......???

No, you moron. The point being that they probably signed up because they can't find work and this is another government "out" for them. That more have signed up (and I don't know if that means they are on the rolls or applied....but we know that at least 1.1 million are on there) than jobs have been created show just how weak this economy is.

Over 3 million. That would be 1% of the total U.S. Population and 2% or more of the working population. I realize that you want everyone on the dole.....

Again we see what loathsome scum CON$ervoFascists are!!!!!! The disabled aren't disabled, they are just looking for a government hand out.

Because a CON$ervoFascist would fake a disability to cheat the government they hate, all truly disabled must be cheaters. All it took was their MessiahRushie telling them this crap and it is now gospel. All these disabled war vets from Bush's 2 wars are nothing but lazy fakers.

July 03, 2012
RUSH: You might be surprised to learn that you are never kicked off once you are enrolled. You are on it for life. So we now have 8.7 million "workers" (as the story says) on disability.
We have 8.7 million Americans who are living off of federal disability insurance payments, and can for the rest of their lives. I don't know how much money it is. I don't know what an average monthly benefit is. But all it takes to qualify for a disability now is a half-decent lawyer to make the case for you

Sick verses Disablement | Disability Condition
Of the 8 million collecting Social Security Disability Insurance benefits, more than 57 thousand go back to work every year.* Sadly, over 231,000 terminate their benefits by dying.
Average benefit payment is $1090 per month and median payment is right at $1000 per month.* Maximum possible benefit is just over $2,300 per month; Hardly the kind of money to live in luxury, especially if you have high medical costs.
I seriously doubt that the 8 million beneficiaries want to be poor and dependent on others the rest of their lives would you?

Do you always look so stupid when you post or is this a special occasion.

There is good correlation between people signing up for disability and the UE rate.

 

[edthecynic]

This might help from a different article.

The disability ranks have outpaced job growth throughout President Obama's economic recovery. While the economy has created 2.6 million jobs since June 2009, fully 3.1 million workers signed up for disability benefits.

In other words, the number of new disability enrollees has climbed 19% faster than the number of new jobs created during the sluggish recovery. (Even after accounting for people who left the disability program because they died or aged into retirement, the disability ranks have climbed more than 1.1 million in the past three years.)

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Blame Obama for their disabilities......???

No, you moron. The point being that they probably signed up because they can't find work and this is another government "out" for them. That more have signed up (and I don't know if that means they are on the rolls or applied....but we know that at least 1.1 million are on there) than jobs have been created show just how weak this economy is.

Over 3 million. That would be 1% of the total U.S. Population and 2% or more of the working population. I realize that you want everyone on the dole.....

Again we see what loathsome scum CON$ervoFascists are!!!!!! The disabled aren't disabled, they are just looking for a government hand out.

Because a CON$ervoFascist would fake a disability to cheat the government they hate, all truly disabled must be cheaters. All it took was their MessiahRushie telling them this crap and it is now gospel. All these disabled war vets from Bush's 2 wars are nothing but lazy fakers.

July 03, 2012
RUSH: You might be surprised to learn that you are never kicked off once you are enrolled. You are on it for life. So we now have 8.7 million "workers" (as the story says) on disability.
We have 8.7 million Americans who are living off of federal disability insurance payments, and can for the rest of their lives. I don't know how much money it is. I don't know what an average monthly benefit is. But all it takes to qualify for a disability now is a half-decent lawyer to make the case for you

Sick verses Disablement | Disability Condition
Of the 8 million collecting Social Security Disability Insurance benefits, more than 57 thousand go back to work every year.* Sadly, over 231,000 terminate their benefits by dying.
Average benefit payment is $1090 per month and median payment is right at $1000 per month.* Maximum possible benefit is just over $2,300 per month; Hardly the kind of money to live in luxury, especially if you have high medical costs.
I seriously doubt that the 8 million beneficiaries want to be poor and dependent on others the rest of their lives would you?

When unemployment rates are low so is disability claims.

People, as a whole, WANT to work.
But they also need to pay their bills.

When their UEC runs out, they step over to Disability.

Wanna solve the problem?
Get the UE rate back below 8% like we were promised.

Again we see just how despicable CON$ervoFascists are!

Disability payments have nothing to do unemployment rates. They have to do with disabilities, and disabilities over the past decade are directly related to an aging Boomer population and Bush's 2 wars. CON$ervoFascist scum know this but cannot resist lying.

 

[hortysir]

Again we see what loathsome scum CON$ervoFascists are!!!!!! The disabled aren't disabled, they are just looking for a government hand out.

Because a CON$ervoFascist would fake a disability to cheat the government they hate, all truly disabled must be cheaters. All it took was their MessiahRushie telling them this crap and it is now gospel. All these disabled war vets from Bush's 2 wars are nothing but lazy fakers.

July 03, 2012
RUSH: You might be surprised to learn that you are never kicked off once you are enrolled. You are on it for life. So we now have 8.7 million "workers" (as the story says) on disability.
We have 8.7 million Americans who are living off of federal disability insurance payments, and can for the rest of their lives. I don't know how much money it is. I don't know what an average monthly benefit is. But all it takes to qualify for a disability now is a half-decent lawyer to make the case for you

Sick verses Disablement | Disability Condition
Of the 8 million collecting Social Security Disability Insurance benefits, more than 57 thousand go back to work every year.* Sadly, over 231,000 terminate their benefits by dying.
Average benefit payment is $1090 per month and median payment is right at $1000 per month.* Maximum possible benefit is just over $2,300 per month; Hardly the kind of money to live in luxury, especially if you have high medical costs.
I seriously doubt that the 8 million beneficiaries want to be poor and dependent on others the rest of their lives would you?

When unemployment rates are low so is disability claims.

People, as a whole, WANT to work.
But they also need to pay their bills.

When their UEC runs out, they step over to Disability.

Wanna solve the problem?
Get the UE rate back below 8% like we were promised.

Again we see just how despicable CON$ervoFascists are!

Disability payments have nothing to do unemployment rates. They have to do with disabilities, and disabilities over the past decade are directly related to an aging Boomer population and Bush's 2 wars. CON$ervoFascist scum know this but cannot resist lying.

Ed, I never knew you to be such a Franco.

You're coming unhinged, man.

 

[edthecynic]

This might help from a different article.

The disability ranks have outpaced job growth throughout President Obama's economic recovery. While the economy has created 2.6 million jobs since June 2009, fully 3.1 million workers signed up for disability benefits.

In other words, the number of new disability enrollees has climbed 19% faster than the number of new jobs created during the sluggish recovery. (Even after accounting for people who left the disability program because they died or aged into retirement, the disability ranks have climbed more than 1.1 million in the past three years.)

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Blame Obama for their disabilities......???

No, you moron. The point being that they probably signed up because they can't find work and this is another government "out" for them. That more have signed up (and I don't know if that means they are on the rolls or applied....but we know that at least 1.1 million are on there) than jobs have been created show just how weak this economy is.

Over 3 million. That would be 1% of the total U.S. Population and 2% or more of the working population. I realize that you want everyone on the dole.....

Again we see what loathsome scum CON$ervoFascists are!!!!!! The disabled aren't disabled, they are just looking for a government hand out.

Because a CON$ervoFascist would fake a disability to cheat the government they hate, all truly disabled must be cheaters. All it took was their MessiahRushie telling them this crap and it is now gospel. All these disabled war vets from Bush's 2 wars are nothing but lazy fakers.

July 03, 2012
RUSH: You might be surprised to learn that you are never kicked off once you are enrolled. You are on it for life. So we now have 8.7 million "workers" (as the story says) on disability.
We have 8.7 million Americans who are living off of federal disability insurance payments, and can for the rest of their lives. I don't know how much money it is. I don't know what an average monthly benefit is. But all it takes to qualify for a disability now is a half-decent lawyer to make the case for you

Sick verses Disablement | Disability Condition
Of the 8 million collecting Social Security Disability Insurance benefits, more than 57 thousand go back to work every year.* Sadly, over 231,000 terminate their benefits by dying.
Average benefit payment is $1090 per month and median payment is right at $1000 per month.* Maximum possible benefit is just over $2,300 per month; Hardly the kind of money to live in luxury, especially if you have high medical costs.
I seriously doubt that the 8 million beneficiaries want to be poor and dependent on others the rest of their lives would you?

Do you always look so stupid when you post or is this a special occasion.

There is good correlation between people signing up for disability and the UE rate.

BULLSHIT! There is no correlation between UE and receiving disability benefits. During the 90s boom and when UE was under 4% in 2000, disability beneficiaries increased markedly.

 

[edthecynic]

When unemployment rates are low so is disability claims.

People, as a whole, WANT to work.
But they also need to pay their bills.

When their UEC runs out, they step over to Disability.

Wanna solve the problem?
Get the UE rate back below 8% like we were promised.

Again we see just how despicable CON$ervoFascists are!

Disability payments have nothing to do unemployment rates. They have to do with disabilities, and disabilities over the past decade are directly related to an aging Boomer population and Bush's 2 wars. CON$ervoFascist scum know this but cannot resist lying.

Ed, I never knew you to be such a Franco.

You're coming unhinged, man.

Notice how none of the CON$ervoFascists can support their lies with any facts and are reduced to only personal attacks.

 

[clevergirl]

From the article:

In addition, while hiring has been very weak during the recovery, the number of people who have dropped out of the labor force entirely has exploded by 7.3 million since June 2009, an IBD analysis of BLS data show. Some aged into retirement, but most either signed up for disability, stayed in school, moved back in with parents, or just quit looking for a job.

As a result, the "labor force participation rate" — the number of people who have jobs or are actively looking for one compared with the entire working-age population — is now 63.8%, down from 65.7% in June 2009. This participation rate is at the lowest levels in 30 years. In previous recoveries, the participation rate has almost always risen, not fallen.

Other indicators show that the three-year-old economic recovery isn't producing jobs in adequate numbers:

The unemployment rate has been above 8% for 41 consecutive months. In the previous 60 years, the jobless topped 8% in a total of only 39 months.

The number of people with jobs is still nearly 5 million below its pre-recession peak.

The number of long-term unemployed — those out of work 27 weeks or more — is still 5.4 million — almost 1 million higher than when the recovery began, and almost twice the level it ever reached prior to Obama's recovery.

EXACTLY- making real unemployment closer to 15%- not counting the under employed~ This president is CLUELESS as to how to get this country out of a recession- calling him inept is being kind.

 

[clevergirl]

Here is the size of the labor force, as defined by the Department of Labor, before, and since, this horrible recession, now aptly dubbed "The Great Recession". This might help us get some proper grounding:

In October, 2003, the Department of Labor announced that the size of the entire labor force in the United States was 146,716,000 people.
In October, 2008, the DOL listed the entire labor force as being 154,875,000. The growth is attributed to population growth, youth becoming working adults, and offset by people dying or moving out of the country. In general, the labor force grows by about 150,000 per month.
In March, 2012, DOL's number of the total working is 154,707,000

By clicking the link above, you'll notice that the labor pool increases regularly, with pretty much no exceptions, since 1948. That is, up until 2009.

Then, somehow, the government reports that the labor force DECREASED between October, 2008 and March, 2012.

Really?

Go here to read the article in its entirety

April 2012 unemployment: What's the REAL number? - Fort Worth Personal Finance | Examiner.com

There is infinite evidence that retirement is the causation- INFINITE.
I can pontificate too.

You have 10,000 Boomers reaching retirement age every day and 54% of them retire by age 65.

Page 5 http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2010/03/art1full.pdf

The employment of young adults (age 20 to 24) also declined in 2009, falling by 1.0 million. The proportion of these young adults who were employed fell by 5.5 percentage points, to 60.2 percent. The unemployment rate for people age 20 to 24 rose during 2009, increasing by 4.2 percentage points, to 15.7 percent.
Adults age 55 and over were not immune to the effects of a recession: their unemployment rate rose by 2.3 percentage points, reaching 7.1 percent in the fourth quarter of 2009.6 However, in contrast to the employment of younger workers, employment among adults age 55 and over edged up in 2009, and their labor force participation rate held steady at about 40 percent. (See table 1.)
All the major race and ethnicity groups were adversely affected by weak labor market conditions. Unemployment rates for all the major race and ethnicity groups rose sharply in 2009, and, by the fourth quarter, rates for all groups were at or near record highs. The over-the-year increases in unemployment rates were largest for Blacks and Hispanics, whose rates jumped by 4.2 and 3.9 percentage points, respectively, to 15.8 percent for Blacks and 12.9 percent for Hispanics. The fourth-quarter 2009 unemployment rate

and to show that we also have many more entering the work force see at link

Business - Daniel Indiviglio - Chart of the Day: Americans Exiting and Entering the Workforce - The Atlantic

And how exactly does that prove that the people LEAVING THE WORK FORCE are not mostly retirees????
Oh! That's right, IT DOESN"T!!!!!!!
It sure didn't take you very long to abandon your "size of the labor force" bullshit!

When CON$ervoFascists can't support their bullshit with the facts, they try to change the subject.

I know I know- with all that foaming at the mouth and spittle hitting your screen you missed this part:

"However, in contrast to the employment of younger workers, employment among adults age 55 and over edged up in 2009, and their labor force participation rate held steady at about 40 percent"

 

[Listening]

Again we see just how despicable CON$ervoFascists are!

Disability payments have nothing to do unemployment rates. They have to do with disabilities, and disabilities over the past decade are directly related to an aging Boomer population and Bush's 2 wars. CON$ervoFascist scum know this but cannot resist lying.

Ed, I never knew you to be such a Franco.

You're coming unhinged, man.

Notice how none of the CON$ervoFascists can support their lies with any facts and are reduced to only personal attacks.

Sorry Ed,

But you are now officially a whackjob....

Jobless Tap Social Security Disability Fund - WSJ.com

Mr. Rutledge, using government data, found a spike in the likelihood someone would apply for disability benefits in the month his or her unemployment benefits expire, compared with previous months.

 

[Inthemiddle]

3.1 Million Workers Join Disability Ranks Vs. 2.6 Million That Got Jobs In Obama Recovery - Investors.com

Man, that's awful. I wish our government would do something to improve the health care system in our country.

 

[g5000]

Here is the size of the labor force, as defined by the Department of Labor, before, and since, this horrible recession, now aptly dubbed "The Great Recession". This might help us get some proper grounding:

In October, 2003, the Department of Labor announced that the size of the entire labor force in the United States was 146,716,000 people.
In October, 2008, the DOL listed the entire labor force as being 154,875,000. The growth is attributed to population growth, youth becoming working adults, and offset by people dying or moving out of the country. In general, the labor force grows by about 150,000 per month.
In March, 2012, DOL's number of the total working is 154,707,000

By clicking the link above, you'll notice that the labor pool increases regularly, with pretty much no exceptions, since 1948. That is, up until 2009.

Then, somehow, the government reports that the labor force DECREASED between October, 2008 and March, 2012.

Really?

Yes, really. The number of lost jobs in 2008 was the greatest loss since before 1948. That's why the big dip after October of that year. It is not surprising a lot of people took themselves out of the workforce.

 

[edthecynic]

Ed, I never knew you to be such a Franco.

You're coming unhinged, man.

Notice how none of the CON$ervoFascists can support their lies with any facts and are reduced to only personal attacks.

Sorry Ed,

But you are now officially a whackjob....

Jobless Tap Social Security Disability Fund - WSJ.com

Mr. Rutledge, using government data, found a spike in the likelihood someone would apply for disability benefits in the month his or her unemployment benefits expire, compared with previous months.

Again we see how despicable lying scum CON$ervoFascists deliberately deceive the gullible. The headline uses the word "TAP" meaning taking benefits from the fund, but in the article from Murdoch's discredited WSJ we see that only APPLICATIONS have increased. Lazy CON$ervoFascist slackers who are trying to cheat the system because they were told that collecting disability was as easy as hiring a lawyer no doubt are flooding the system with applications for disability benefits. While CON$ervoFascism is a mental disability, it is not a work disability and the CON$ervoFascists trying to cheat the system get REJECTED.

While there are some CON$ervoFascist scum who are such skilled liars that a very few might be able to cheat the system, for the most part the people who actually have disabilities are the ones collecting benefits.

But Murdoch's WSJ wants you to believe that people who have no disabilities are collecting benefits which makes Murdoch and his WSJ the lowest scum to ever crawl out of a sewer!!!

July 03, 2012
RUSH: I don't know what an average monthly benefit is. But all it takes to qualify for a disability now is a half-decent lawyer to make the case for you

 

[clevergirl]

Ed, The WSJ is hardly discredited- honest. Are you OK?

 

[KissMy]

LOL! the exact same thread posted three separate times in the past couple hours, what good obedient sheep the right wing trolls are.

Truth Hurts!

 

[hortysir]

Again we see just how despicable CON$ervoFascists are!

Disability payments have nothing to do unemployment rates. They have to do with disabilities, and disabilities over the past decade are directly related to an aging Boomer population and Bush's 2 wars. CON$ervoFascist scum know this but cannot resist lying.

Ed, I never knew you to be such a Franco.

You're coming unhinged, man.

Notice how none of the CON$ervoFascists can support their lies with any facts and are reduced to only personal attacks.

Notice how that's exactly what I was pointing out?

 

[hortysir]

Here, Ed.


Your own beloved Huffy-Puff makes the same connection.

Rise In Disability Rolls Helps Explain An Unemployment Mystery

 

[hortysir]

How about Reuters?


Job disability a headache for U.S. recovery | Reuters

There are serious concerns that this increase in disability benefits is a type of 'hidden unemployment,'" said Richard Burkhauser, a professor of economics at Cornell University.

 

[Listening]

Here, Ed.


Your own beloved Huffy-Puff makes the same connection.

Rise In Disability Rolls Helps Explain An Unemployment Mystery

EdTheLiar has officially gone off the deep end.

Now, he's trying to scream his way out of one of the many Obama corners that have been created by his lackluster leadership and failed ideology.

 

[edthecynic]

Ed, The WSJ is hardly discredited- honest. Are you OK?

As anyone with any level of awareness knows the WSJ has lost all credibility since Murdoch bought it, which my post which you did not address proved!

The liars at WSJ claimed that SSI disability was being "TAPPED" by people who were not disabled but had merely run out of UE benefits and used the increase in the number of "APPLICATIONS" as their "proof." What the liars at the WSJ left out, (the most professional liars tell just enough "truth" to deceive and then shut up), was that the number of REJECTIONS has also increased. That means that able bodied people who only applied because their UE ran out are not "TAPPING" the disability fund,

That's right, as more apply, more get rejected.

 

[Listening]

Ed, The WSJ is hardly discredited- honest. Are you OK?

As anyone with any level of awareness knows the WSJ has lost all credibility since Murdoch bought it, which my post which you did not address proved!

The liars at WSJ claimed that SSI disability was being "TAPPED" by people who were not disabled but had merely run out of UE benefits and used the increase in the number of "APPLICATIONS" as their "proof." What the liars at the WSJ left out, (the most professional liars tell just enough "truth" to deceive and then shut up), was that the number of REJECTIONS has also increased. That means that able bodied people who only applied because their UE ran out are not "TAPPING" the disability fund,

That's right, as more apply, more get rejected.

Keep digging yourself a hole Ed.

The OP gives some numbers on the actual increase in the number of people on disability.....you can do the math yourself. Or maybe you can't.

 

[edthecynic]

Here, Ed.


Your own beloved Huffy-Puff makes the same connection.

Rise In Disability Rolls Helps Explain An Unemployment Mystery

Again we see what lying scum CON$ervofascists are, your link actually rebuts the CON$ervoFascist lie!!!

From your own link:

So does the rise in disability rolls solve some of the labor-force mystery? Not exactly.

The extra number of workers clambering onto the disability lifeboat since the recession began may account for about a quarter of the drop in the labor force participation rate since the recession began, according to the Bloomberg story, citing research notes by JPMorgan Chase and Morgan Stanley.

But that still leaves millions of people out of the work force for different reasons. A lot are discouraged and have given up hope of finding work, certainly.

But the majority of them, likely, have just decided to retire, many economists think. And given the aging of the Baby Boom demographic, that will likely continue, meaning labor-force participation will continue to be sluggish and the unemployment rate may never fully reflect just how many people are out of work.

What's more, it would be a mistake to think that the recent jump in disability benefits is in any way unusual. Disability claims tend to rise during recessions, and the pace of growth since the latest recession hasn't been any faster than the pace of growth in past recessions.

Though it may disappoint readers who want to use rising disability claims to suggest President Obama has launched a socialist nanny state, disability rolls have in fact been rising pretty much steadily since the Reagan administration, which is another mystery economists have been trying to solve for a long time.