74% Support Voter ID Laws

[Foxfyre]

Given the extreme limitations a person has these days if he or she has no photo ID. . . .

Given the very small number of individuals who could not afford a photo ID and the very easy remedy all states can make by providing a photo ID to the truly indigent. . . .

Given the very real advantages to people to have a photo ID. . . .

And given the very real increased confidence in the system that is accomplished by a voter ID requirement. . . .

The ONLY reason anybody could object to voter ID is because it makes it more difficult for people to vote illegally.

A fair and honest election is so necessary for people to be free that I think all who are truly concerned about preserving freedom through a responsible and responsive government would not WANT anybody voting who had to be paid or coerced or bribed or manipulated to vote. And we should want the system to be as fair and honest as possible.

 

[AmyNation]

What would stop someone from registering in multiple states and using the same ID to vote under your plan?

Gas prices?

If states had a more modern system for tracking voter rolls this wouldnt be an issue. Really who cares if they are registered in every state. How likely is it they are going to be able to DRIVE to every state to vote? How many people are going to go to that length to vote more than once, especially assuming they are trying to sway the vote in one direction, so really the only states that matter are swing states.

I think voter fraud could swing an election, but I dont see that fraud coming from someone registering in every state and voting.

Who said registering in every state? I'm only 20 minutes away from another state. And the round trip takes about 1 gallon of gas.

In my 1st post, I addressed this, I would be in favor of updated modernized voter rolls.

However, I dont see enough people, defrauding the states by voting twice and faking addresses to register twice, swaying an election.

 

[Rat in the Hat]

Gas prices?

If states had a more modern system for tracking voter rolls this wouldnt be an issue. Really who cares if they are registered in every state. How likely is it they are going to be able to DRIVE to every state to vote? How many people are going to go to that length to vote more than once, especially assuming they are trying to sway the vote in one direction, so really the only states that matter are swing states.

I think voter fraud could swing an election, but I dont see that fraud coming from someone registering in every state and voting.

Imaginary scenarios.

No evidence has ever been presented of REAL WORLD cases of fraud that Voter ID would be the only means of stopping or preventing.

Here's some examples...

These stories illustrated what was to be a recur*ring theme in the grand jury investigation: the theft of identities and the casting of fraudulent votes on behalf of dead voters, prison inmates, and people who had moved, as well as forged ballots cast on behalf of the elderly and the handicapped. Even fictitious voters were invented and ballots cast in their names.

Locker was shocked at the sheer magnitude of the number of fraudulent votes and the fact that fraud occurred in every single Chicago precinct.[21] More than 3,000 votes had been cast in the names of individuals who were dead, and more than 31,000 individuals had voted twice in different locations in the city.[22] Thousands of individuals had supposedly voted despite being incarcerated at the time of the election, and utility records showed that some individuals who voted were registered as living on vacant lots.

On the day of the general election, dishonest precinct captains kept careful track of who came to the polls to vote. Runners working for the precinct captains not only supplied rides for voters, but also noted "who would not be coming to the polls because they were too sick, were too drunk, had recently moved away, or had died."

Precinct captains supplied the names of those absent voters to other participants in the fraud, and "ballots either were punched on the voting machines by people posing as the voter, or were punched with ball point pens or other similar objects in a private place outside the polling areas by the precinct captain or his workers."[32] Some of the defendants even "went into washrooms, where they practiced forging the signatures" of those whom they believed would not vote.[33]

Where There's Smoke, There's Fire: 100,000 Stolen Votes in Chicago

 

[kiwiman127]

The sad part is that those who desperately want voter ID laws can't provide any facts that show fraud is a problem. As stated in the report from Brennan (the report I posted in my first post in this thread), a person has more of a chance getting hit by lightning than an event of voter fraud happening.
So what's the reasoning, other than political to disenfranchise millions of voters.?

Dude... I have personally posted news stories showing voter fraud, and it is ignored here.

I am not going to do the google searches again, because they will be ignored again.

I also know that the media, especially the news papers, are in the tank for Dems.

Plus... what on earth does it hurt to show an ID?

I am willing to pay some extra to help get poor folks ID'd if that is what it takes. Imagine that

No, I promise I'll read your post on the two cases of voter fraud, I'll even promise also help the poor who can't afford photo ID, I'll post the receipts (after you post your copies of your receipts)! It'll be great, plus we can write off the expense as a charity! You know at this very moment, my eyes are welling up with tears of joy, knowing that you and I are going to be such givers because we love our country and the privilege of voting!

 

[Foxfyre]

If ACORN or other advocacy groups working for the 'poor' (for absolutely altruistic reasons of course) wanted to provide a genuine public service, they would be putting their resources into providing transportation for these "millions of disenfranchised voters" to get to a DMV or other authorized location and buy then a Photo I.D.

 

[kiwiman127]

If ACORN or other advocacy groups working for the 'poor' (for absolutely altruistic reasons of course) wanted to provide a genuine public service, they would be putting their resources into providing transportation for these "millions of disenfranchised voters" to get to a DMV or other authorized location and buy then a Photo I.D.

Well I for one hope that ACORN doesn't get involved. Why you ask? Well for one, if ACORN is involved, one never knows if they would bribe the recipient to vote for Obama. Two, this will kill any plan that Infidel and I have to be givers and at the same time provide integrity to this election (plus we'd miss out on our tax write-off)!

 

[Foxfyre]

If ACORN or other advocacy groups working for the 'poor' (for absolutely altruistic reasons of course) wanted to provide a genuine public service, they would be putting their resources into providing transportation for these "millions of disenfranchised voters" to get to a DMV or other authorized location and buy then a Photo I.D.

Well I for one hope that ACORN doesn't get involved. Why you ask? Well for one, if ACORN is involved, one never knows if they would bribe the recipient to vote for Obama. Two, this will kill any plan that Infidel and I have to be givers and at the same time provide integrity to this election (plus we'd miss out on our tax write-off)!

All good points. But no worries. Organizations like ACORN aren't about to take money out of their own pockets in order to do a good deed for anybody.

 

[onecut39]

Yes, it should. You're not allowed to vote in a state that you are not a resident of.

I never said anything about not being a resident.

I keep hearing on the right that most people have a photo ID, I agree most do. The issue is the type of photo ID they have. I know this may shock people, but the poor move around a lot, and they dont spend $60 to update their ID every time they move.

You cant complain about voter ID and then disregard that some state favor certain voters with their ID laws.

So you think someone with an out-of-state ID should just be able to walk into a polling place, tell the workers "I moved here but can't afford a new ID" and just be allowed to vote?

Try not to be dumb. The scenario you suggest does not happen anywhere with or without an ID.

 

[onecut39]

If ACORN or other advocacy groups working for the 'poor' (for absolutely altruistic reasons of course) wanted to provide a genuine public service, they would be putting their resources into providing transportation for these "millions of disenfranchised voters" to get to a DMV or other authorized location and buy then a Photo I.D.

Well I for one hope that ACORN doesn't get involved. Why you ask? Well for one, if ACORN is involved, one never knows if they would bribe the recipient to vote for Obama. Two, this will kill any plan that Infidel and I have to be givers and at the same time provide integrity to this election (plus we'd miss out on our tax write-off)!

All good points. But no worries. Organizations like ACORN aren't about to take money out of their own pockets in order to do a good deed for anybody.

I cannot remember a single issue of ACORN being involved in voter fraud. There were some issues of registration fraud (avery few) but that almost never results in a fraudulent vote.

 

[Foxfyre]

Well I for one hope that ACORN doesn't get involved. Why you ask? Well for one, if ACORN is involved, one never knows if they would bribe the recipient to vote for Obama. Two, this will kill any plan that Infidel and I have to be givers and at the same time provide integrity to this election (plus we'd miss out on our tax write-off)!

All good points. But no worries. Organizations like ACORN aren't about to take money out of their own pockets in order to do a good deed for anybody.

I cannot remember a single issue of ACORN being involved in voter fraud. There were some issues of registration fraud (avery few) but that almost never results in a fraudulent vote.

New flash: voter reigstration fraud IS voter fraud. It isn't the only way that voter fraud can be accomplished, but it is voter fraud.
More Acorn Voter Fraud Comes to Light - WSJ.com

 

[IGetItAlready]

Well I for one hope that ACORN doesn't get involved. Why you ask? Well for one, if ACORN is involved, one never knows if they would bribe the recipient to vote for Obama. Two, this will kill any plan that Infidel and I have to be givers and at the same time provide integrity to this election (plus we'd miss out on our tax write-off)!

All good points. But no worries. Organizations like ACORN aren't about to take money out of their own pockets in order to do a good deed for anybody.

I cannot remember a single issue of ACORN being involved in voter fraud. There were some issues of registration fraud (avery few) but that almost never results in a fraudulent vote.

So then what's the motive behind registration fraud?

 

[Rozman]

The Libs are always bitching about the right cheating in this election or that election.
Now comes an opportunity to tighten things up a bit...
And they're bitching about the voter ID laws...

WTF?

 

[IGetItAlready]

The Libs are always bitching about the right cheating in this election or that election.
Now comes an opportunity to tighten things up a bit...
And they're bitching about the voter ID laws...

WTF?

Appears to come down to a whole lot of bitching about not getting their way in elections.

 

[kiwiman127]

The Libs are always bitching about the right cheating in this election or that election.
Now comes an opportunity to tighten things up a bit...
And they're bitching about the voter ID laws...

WTF?

Hey now,,,I'm not a Lib but I'm against disenfranchising eligible voters.
I agree with a previous post, a state passes a law requiring a photo ID, then the state pays for the ID. Otherwise it will be violating the Constitution! Don't we all support the Constitution?

 

[initforme]

Hey I cant wait until they ask for my id. I'm gonna have some fun with those poll workers. Arguing shall be fun. In the end I'll give em my drivers license but not without being difficult.

 

[IGetItAlready]

Hey I cant wait until they ask for my id. I'm gonna have some fun with those poll workers. Arguing shall be fun. In the end I'll give em my drivers license but not without being difficult.

Sounds like fun.

 

[Foxfyre]

The Libs are always bitching about the right cheating in this election or that election.
Now comes an opportunity to tighten things up a bit...
And they're bitching about the voter ID laws...

WTF?

Hey now,,,I'm not a Lib but I'm against disenfranchising eligible voters.
I agree with a previous post, a state passes a law requiring a photo ID, then the state pays for the ID. Otherwise it will be violating the Constitution! Don't we all support the Constitution?

So am I. against disenfranchising anybody. But I consider voting for those who will lead our city or state or nation to be a privilege that should be taken seriously and with due diligence. We already require photo ID to buy a plane ticket , to get a welfare check, to qualify for food stamps, to sign up for social security, to get into most government sponsored exercise programs like Silver Sneakers, to enter a court house, or to receive certain jackpots at the casino.

In the days when we all had to bring three forms of identification in order to accept a job offier, nobody accused the government of disenfranchising anybody's ability to work. Nobody felt disenfranchised when we had to have the same three different kinds of identification to register to vote, had to register two to six weeks ahead of the election in the precinct in which we would vote, and had to get ourselves to the polls on election day.

There are so few legitimately eligible voters who would vote and who don't have photo ID already, I think it would be a very simple thing to provide anybody with one who didn't have one when they registered to vote. So simple, that again, anybody who has a problem with Voter ID can be suspected of motives to want people to have a better advantage to cheat the process.

 

[Politico]

Great. Now how do we get that to 100%?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

74% Support Voter ID Laws

This might be marginally relevant if the United States were a democracy, fortunately it’s not. It’s a Republic, where citizens are subject only to the rule of law, not men – and obviously for good reason.