72% Believe Small Business Owners Primarily Responsible for Their Own Success

[rightwinger]

Interesting point

Once the Wright brothers demonstrated their concept, who did they sell their airplanes to?

Wasn't the private sector, it was the Government who bought their planes and turned them from inventors to businessmen

Bullshit. The Wright Brothers went out pounding the pavement worldwide, and it took years for them to make significant sales to the government. :

After the 1905 flying season, the Wrights contacted the United States War Department, as well as governments and individuals in England, France, Germany, and Russia, offering to sell a flying machine. They were turned down time and time again -- government bureaucrats thought they were crackpots; others thought that if two bicycle mechanics could build a successful airplane, they could do it themselves. But the Wright persisted, and in late 1907, the U.S. Army Signal Corps asked for an aircraft. Just a few months later, in early 1908, a French syndicate of businessmen agreed to purchase another.'

The Wright Story

I imagine a gubmint dependent such as yourself does not understand that investing in R&D, manufacturing and selling a product makes people 'businessmen' long before the large contracts which come years later makes them a success.

Looks like the Government is frugal with tax dollars and didn't want to throw money at newfangled flying machines without further proof of their feasibility and value

Can you imagine the outcry from conservatives if they invested in a failed emerging technology?

 

[ConservaDerrps]

Just a thought here, while we as a nation have always treasured individual achievement and small business is no exception, long hours, hard work, in an effort to make a life for oneself and ones family as well as one's community. These folks are like many are to be admired and not admonished or used as political tools, in fact we need to do everything we can to help these businesses thrive , because from small business comes the next Microsoft, Boeing, Ford, Apple, etc. That said, to say that it does not take teamwork to get to where one wants to get to, be it a mentor, or that bank loan, or dare I say it even Govt. is to not take into consideration every aspect of what drives the individual. Just a thought here, it took teamwork to overcome the Axis powers during WW2, it took teamwork to put a man on the moon, and yes it takes teamwork to make the indivudual small businessman a success. Govt. is just one small part of that teamwork, but is not the driving engine that makes the individual thrive, perhaps when Govt. becomes that it should and that is one that creates an atmosphere for pride in American business and partner, then it will thrive even more. In my humble opinion though, Govt. should never be seen as the sole reason for the success of failure of a business because it takes a Capt. to lead a ship and it's Govt's job to help the navigate those waters, not pilot the ship.

But that's not what the President was saying at all. It's what Mitt Romney and Faux News WANT you to think he was saying, but he wasn't. All he was saying is that we're ALL in this together. It was a very humanitarian thing to say, and one that I can't believe Republicans and Conservatives are taking so goddamned literally. Well, no, I can believe it, because it's easier to call him a Socialist than it is to actually HEAR what he's saying.

The fact is that no company does thrive on its own, not even Bain capital. There are small business loans, there are taxpayer funded roads that trucks use to haul goods across state lines. There are firefighters making sure your business' building doesn't go up in flames. But it all goes back to the Conservative notion that GOVERNMENT IS BAD no matter what; even though there's not a single-solitary successful business that hasn't gotten help from the government SOMEWHERE along the lines. What do you think fucking tax breaks, for Christ's sake?

Oh, and then there's this:

Star of Romney ‘My Hands Didn’t Build This’ Ad Received Millions in Government Loans and Contracts - ABC News

Mitt can't even fucking find someone to be in his campaign attack ad on this subject that hasn't taken money from the government.

Couple of things here, one is my commentary was not based on the Presidents speech which was taken out of context by both the Romney campaign and Fox News. The other is my commentary was simply to point out that Govt. is just one part of the success of any business but it takes the person or person(s) who run the business and the teamwork involved, hard work, and a little bit of luck to make it a success. Those who say that small business gets that way on it's own as a result of the work of the owners of those business know little about small business or business in general, in fact the man featured in the Romney commercial acknowledged a number of SBA and state loans for his business. Further those who advocate that Govt. is the sole reason that small business is a success are wrong as well, as Govt. is but one tool in which these business can use to thrive. but it takes the drive and teamwork of those involved to make it work. Perhaps if less focus was put on the fact that the " rugged individual" is by him or herself responsible for the success or failure of a business, may sound good it is the exception not the rule and it takes teamwork in order for them to thrive. My poistion is a simple one, Govt. should be an advocate and promote American business and instill a sense of pride in American made by it's legislation but never should Govt. be in the position where they are the one's who manage those business to success or failure and in my honest opinion theres a little too much of that going on and has been for a long time now, take your pick on what party you want to assign that too.

Sorry, I wasn't trying to imply you were saying anything different. I was just responding to that one sentence, and I commend you for seeing that indeed Romney and Faux did completely fuck the President's speech up on purpose. I also agree that government should foster business growth. My feeling, as a Liberal, is that can be done by funding research, development and science to spur innovation, and by giving companies tax breaks if they keep the labor in America, and therefore the money produced in our economy.

 

[SniperFire]

Interesting point

Once the Wright brothers demonstrated their concept, who did they sell their airplanes to?

Wasn't the private sector, it was the Government who bought their planes and turned them from inventors to businessmen

Bullshit. The Wright Brothers went out pounding the pavement worldwide, and it took years for them to make significant sales to the government. :

After the 1905 flying season, the Wrights contacted the United States War Department, as well as governments and individuals in England, France, Germany, and Russia, offering to sell a flying machine. They were turned down time and time again -- government bureaucrats thought they were crackpots; others thought that if two bicycle mechanics could build a successful airplane, they could do it themselves. But the Wright persisted, and in late 1907, the U.S. Army Signal Corps asked for an aircraft. Just a few months later, in early 1908, a French syndicate of businessmen agreed to purchase another.'

The Wright Story

I imagine a gubmint dependent such as yourself does not understand that investing in R&D, manufacturing and selling a product makes people 'businessmen' long before the large contracts which come years later makes them a success.

Looks like the Government is frugal with tax dollars and didn't want to throw money at newfangled flying machines without further proof of their feasibility and value

Can you imagine the outcry from conservatives if they invested in a failed emerging technology?

You were destroyed on your point, which is that the Wright Brothers were not 'businessmen' without the help of the gubmint.

Now you want to deflect.

LOL

 

[rightwinger]

Interesting point

Once the Wright brothers demonstrated their concept, who did they sell their airplanes to?

Wasn't the private sector, it was the Government who bought their planes and turned them from inventors to businessmen

Not to mention the government patents that they benefited from.

You do realize that patents are not free? Anyone applying for a patent already pays for that privilege, so you can strike the benefit of owning a patent from your talking points list of things the government provides "free" for entrepreneurs and small business people.

Patents

Fees vary depending on the type of patent application you submit. Fees may also vary according to the way you "claim" your invention. More information on filing fees and the number and type of claims.

There are three basic fees for utility patents:

The filing fee, which is non-refundable whether or not a patent is granted. (This is the cost to have your invention "examined" by the US Patent and Trademark Office - remember, you may or may not get a patent!)

The issue fee (you pay this only if your application is allowed)
Maintenance fees (paid at 3 1/2, 7 1/2, and 11 1/2 years after your patent is granted - these fees "maintain" your legal protection).

Additional fees may be required.

Typical fees are as follows (these are only intended to give you a "ballpark" estimate) these fees do not reflect all the possible variations in filing and patenting your invention - also, these fees are subject to change - thus, you are strongly advised to check the current fee schedule before submitting your application.

Typical filing fees for an Inventor when application filed with a written assertion of small entity status (See Simplified Small Entity Status Practice :

Filing a provisional application. ( More information ) $125

Filing a non-provisional application. ( More information )
Non-electric filing fee (applications filed in paper) Approximately $625

Additional $200

Issue fee Approximately $870
Maintenance fees:
Due at 3 1/2 years Approximately $565
Due at 7 1/2 years Approximately $1,425
Due at 11 1/2 years Approximately $2,365

Wow....that's a lot of money to protect your intellectual property. What would have happened to the Wright brothers if Big Busness were allowed to step in and copy their ideas and offer airplanes at a lower price?

Thanks Government

 

[rightwinger]

Bullshit. The Wright Brothers went out pounding the pavement worldwide, and it took years for them to make significant sales to the government. :

After the 1905 flying season, the Wrights contacted the United States War Department, as well as governments and individuals in England, France, Germany, and Russia, offering to sell a flying machine. They were turned down time and time again -- government bureaucrats thought they were crackpots; others thought that if two bicycle mechanics could build a successful airplane, they could do it themselves. But the Wright persisted, and in late 1907, the U.S. Army Signal Corps asked for an aircraft. Just a few months later, in early 1908, a French syndicate of businessmen agreed to purchase another.'

The Wright Story

I imagine a gubmint dependent such as yourself does not understand that investing in R&D, manufacturing and selling a product makes people 'businessmen' long before the large contracts which come years later makes them a success.

Looks like the Government is frugal with tax dollars and didn't want to throw money at newfangled flying machines without further proof of their feasibility and value

Can you imagine the outcry from conservatives if they invested in a failed emerging technology?

You were destroyed on your point, which is that the Wright Brothers were not 'businessmen' without the help of the gubmint.

Now you want to deflect.

LOL

Not at all my friend..

You only showed that government did not jump at the idea. Where is your link showing all the private companies jumping at the chance to buy flying machines?

In fact, private industry did not get Heavilly involved till after WWI when cheap Govt planes were available

 

[Skull Pilot]

But that's not what the President was saying at all. It's what Mitt Romney and Faux News WANT you to think he was saying, but he wasn't. All he was saying is that we're ALL in this together. It was a very humanitarian thing to say, and one that I can't believe Republicans and Conservatives are taking so goddamned literally. Well, no, I can believe it, because it's easier to call him a Socialist than it is to actually HEAR what he's saying.

The fact is that no company does thrive on its own, not even Bain capital. There are small business loans, there are taxpayer funded roads that trucks use to haul goods across state lines. There are firefighters making sure your business' building doesn't go up in flames. But it all goes back to the Conservative notion that GOVERNMENT IS BAD no matter what; even though there's not a single-solitary successful business that hasn't gotten help from the government SOMEWHERE along the lines. What do you think fucking tax breaks, for Christ's sake?

Oh, and then there's this:

Star of Romney ‘My Hands Didn’t Build This’ Ad Received Millions in Government Loans and Contracts - ABC News

Mitt can't even fucking find someone to be in his campaign attack ad on this subject that hasn't taken money from the government.

Sorry Douche,

We are NOT all in it together.

You need to learn that no one is going to take care of you but you. In fact if we drilled that into the heads of people instead of telling them they they can take credit for the work of others we'd all be better off.

Also, thank you proving once and for all that Conservatives are THE MOST selfish group in American politics. Or at least Tea Bagger Conservatives are. We are all in it together, you dumb fucking fuck. My tax dollars and your tax dollars don't go into separate, ideological piles. They go into one big kitty and we've asked our government to represent EVERYONE and agree on how best to spend the money.

Only some of us put way more into that pile of money than others and those who put in next to nothing somehow think they can take credit for the work of those who put in the most

You've actually demonstrated the fatal flaw in Tea Bagger politics. You think your side is the only one that matters and therefore you don't have to play the game. Guess what, fucksore? You do have to play the game.

I have nothing to do with the Tea Party or any other political group. I think for myself and I take care of myself.

Unlike you I don't like others thinking for me and I sure as fucking shit won't let any of you take care of me. I'd eat a bullet before I was ever that fucking pathetic.


[/QUOTE]

 

[gallantwarrior]

Not to mention the government patents that they benefited from.

You do realize that patents are not free? Anyone applying for a patent already pays for that privilege, so you can strike the benefit of owning a patent from your talking points list of things the government provides "free" for entrepreneurs and small business people.

Patents

Fees vary depending on the type of patent application you submit. Fees may also vary according to the way you "claim" your invention. More information on filing fees and the number and type of claims.

There are three basic fees for utility patents:

The filing fee, which is non-refundable whether or not a patent is granted. (This is the cost to have your invention "examined" by the US Patent and Trademark Office - remember, you may or may not get a patent!)

The issue fee (you pay this only if your application is allowed)
Maintenance fees (paid at 3 1/2, 7 1/2, and 11 1/2 years after your patent is granted - these fees "maintain" your legal protection).

Additional fees may be required.

Typical fees are as follows (these are only intended to give you a "ballpark" estimate) these fees do not reflect all the possible variations in filing and patenting your invention - also, these fees are subject to change - thus, you are strongly advised to check the current fee schedule before submitting your application.

Typical filing fees for an Inventor when application filed with a written assertion of small entity status (See Simplified Small Entity Status Practice :

Filing a provisional application. ( More information ) $125

Filing a non-provisional application. ( More information )
Non-electric filing fee (applications filed in paper) Approximately $625

Additional $200

Issue fee Approximately $870
Maintenance fees:
Due at 3 1/2 years Approximately $565
Due at 7 1/2 years Approximately $1,425
Due at 11 1/2 years Approximately $2,365

Wow....that's a lot of money to protect your intellectual property. What would have happened to the Wright brothers if Big Busness were allowed to step in and copy their ideas and offer airplanes at a lower price?

Thanks Government

The point is, people already pay for patent protection. Government did not make the patented property. Government does not produce, sell, or service the patented property. Government only assesses periodic payments to "protect" the patent. Government has nothing to do with the success or failure of the patented property.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

This Thursday my day will begin at 7am. It will end with my final appointment at 6:45 which will likely last till between 9 and 10pm. That day will constitute a profit larger than some leeches make in a year. Oddly enough I'm doing it on my own while the leeches live off my effort.

Tell me again who is doing it on their own?

 

[BlindBoo]

Yes but I bet none of the business owner fell that they built the infrastructure that they operate in.

Only partisan hacks take the position that the President said anything else.

Typical of the blind followers of the GOP echo chamber.

 

[Full-Auto]

Not to mention the government patents that they benefited from.

You do realize that patents are not free? Anyone applying for a patent already pays for that privilege, so you can strike the benefit of owning a patent from your talking points list of things the government provides "free" for entrepreneurs and small business people.

Patents

Fees vary depending on the type of patent application you submit. Fees may also vary according to the way you "claim" your invention. More information on filing fees and the number and type of claims.

There are three basic fees for utility patents:

The filing fee, which is non-refundable whether or not a patent is granted. (This is the cost to have your invention "examined" by the US Patent and Trademark Office - remember, you may or may not get a patent!)

The issue fee (you pay this only if your application is allowed)
Maintenance fees (paid at 3 1/2, 7 1/2, and 11 1/2 years after your patent is granted - these fees "maintain" your legal protection).

Additional fees may be required.

Typical fees are as follows (these are only intended to give you a "ballpark" estimate) these fees do not reflect all the possible variations in filing and patenting your invention - also, these fees are subject to change - thus, you are strongly advised to check the current fee schedule before submitting your application.

Typical filing fees for an Inventor when application filed with a written assertion of small entity status (See Simplified Small Entity Status Practice :

Filing a provisional application. ( More information ) $125

Filing a non-provisional application. ( More information )
Non-electric filing fee (applications filed in paper) Approximately $625

Additional $200

Issue fee Approximately $870
Maintenance fees:
Due at 3 1/2 years Approximately $565
Due at 7 1/2 years Approximately $1,425
Due at 11 1/2 years Approximately $2,365

Wow....that's a lot of money to protect your intellectual property. What would have happened to the Wright brothers if Big Busness were allowed to step in and copy their ideas and offer airplanes at a lower price?

Thanks Government

Yes government has some useful function, but most of us are not willing to give up liberty like you. Youre arguing from the past does prove how desperate you are to maintain the staus quo/.

When do you pay your fair share, you havent your entire life.

 

[Navy1960]

But that's not what the President was saying at all. It's what Mitt Romney and Faux News WANT you to think he was saying, but he wasn't. All he was saying is that we're ALL in this together. It was a very humanitarian thing to say, and one that I can't believe Republicans and Conservatives are taking so goddamned literally. Well, no, I can believe it, because it's easier to call him a Socialist than it is to actually HEAR what he's saying.

The fact is that no company does thrive on its own, not even Bain capital. There are small business loans, there are taxpayer funded roads that trucks use to haul goods across state lines. There are firefighters making sure your business' building doesn't go up in flames. But it all goes back to the Conservative notion that GOVERNMENT IS BAD no matter what; even though there's not a single-solitary successful business that hasn't gotten help from the government SOMEWHERE along the lines. What do you think fucking tax breaks, for Christ's sake?

Oh, and then there's this:

Star of Romney ‘My Hands Didn’t Build This’ Ad Received Millions in Government Loans and Contracts - ABC News

Mitt can't even fucking find someone to be in his campaign attack ad on this subject that hasn't taken money from the government.

Couple of things here, one is my commentary was not based on the Presidents speech which was taken out of context by both the Romney campaign and Fox News. The other is my commentary was simply to point out that Govt. is just one part of the success of any business but it takes the person or person(s) who run the business and the teamwork involved, hard work, and a little bit of luck to make it a success. Those who say that small business gets that way on it's own as a result of the work of the owners of those business know little about small business or business in general, in fact the man featured in the Romney commercial acknowledged a number of SBA and state loans for his business. Further those who advocate that Govt. is the sole reason that small business is a success are wrong as well, as Govt. is but one tool in which these business can use to thrive. but it takes the drive and teamwork of those involved to make it work. Perhaps if less focus was put on the fact that the " rugged individual" is by him or herself responsible for the success or failure of a business, may sound good it is the exception not the rule and it takes teamwork in order for them to thrive. My poistion is a simple one, Govt. should be an advocate and promote American business and instill a sense of pride in American made by it's legislation but never should Govt. be in the position where they are the one's who manage those business to success or failure and in my honest opinion theres a little too much of that going on and has been for a long time now, take your pick on what party you want to assign that too.

Sorry, I wasn't trying to imply you were saying anything different. I was just responding to that one sentence, and I commend you for seeing that indeed Romney and Faux did completely fuck the President's speech up on purpose. I also agree that government should foster business growth. My feeling, as a Liberal, is that can be done by funding research, development and science to spur innovation, and by giving companies tax breaks if they keep the labor in America, and therefore the money produced in our economy.

This is a little off the subject, however it's worth mentioning, it's my humble opnion that our Govt. be they Democrat or Republican have done little to instill a sense of pride in the term "made in the USA" and do everything they can to make that come to pass. I honestly do not care who makes it, take your choice, Union non-union, as long as it's made here and helps our economy for a change. We as a nation have for too long focused our attention around the world in efforts to help everyone else, perhaps we spent a little time turing that attention inward. That said, take taxes for instance, these small business are more American than G.E. or Apple and deserve ALL the help we can give them in the way of tax breaks and help in research and development and loans for hires etc. Companies like Apple, G.E. etc, that spend a vast majority of their money building their products in others nations and at the same time taking advantage of the American taxpayers should no longer be given that advantage. Forgive me here if I am pro-American, but when I see Airbus a European aircraft maker about to hire as many as 3500 people in Mobile, Al. and willing to take a chance on American made, and so called American companies like Apple, who continue to build their products offshore , which one has the interests of this nation at heart? I do agree that Govt. has a role to play here, but small business needs alll the help we can give them and all the promotion we can give them too, and to hold them up and celebrate them is a good thing, and to use them as a political tool be they Democrat or Republican is not.

 

[SniperFire]

But that's not what the President was saying at all. It's what Mitt Romney and Faux News WANT you to think he was saying, but he wasn't. All he was saying is that we're ALL in this together. It was a very humanitarian thing to say, and one that I can't believe Republicans and Conservatives are taking so goddamned literally. Well, no, I can believe it, because it's easier to call him a Socialist than it is to actually HEAR what he's saying.

The fact is that no company does thrive on its own, not even Bain capital. There are small business loans, there are taxpayer funded roads that trucks use to haul goods across state lines. There are firefighters making sure your business' building doesn't go up in flames. But it all goes back to the Conservative notion that GOVERNMENT IS BAD no matter what; even though there's not a single-solitary successful business that hasn't gotten help from the government SOMEWHERE along the lines. What do you think fucking tax breaks, for Christ's sake?

Oh, and then there's this:

Star of Romney ‘My Hands Didn’t Build This’ Ad Received Millions in Government Loans and Contracts - ABC News

Mitt can't even fucking find someone to be in his campaign attack ad on this subject that hasn't taken money from the government.

Sorry Douche,

We are NOT all in it together.

You need to learn that no one is going to take care of you but you. In fact if we drilled that into the heads of people instead of telling them they they can take credit for the work of others we'd all be better off.

Also, thank you proving once and for all that Conservatives are THE MOST selfish group in American politics. Or at least Tea Bagger Conservatives are. We are all in it together, you dumb fucking fuck. My tax dollars and your tax dollars don't go into separate, ideological piles. They go into one big kitty and we've asked our government to represent EVERYONE and agree on how best to spend the money.

You've actually demonstrated the fatal flaw in Tea Bagger politics. You think your side is the only one that matters and therefore you don't have to play the game. Guess what, fucksore? You do have to play the game.

Ask Orin Hatch about how much he gives a fuck about the Tea Baggers now that he's not getting primaried.

The Associated Press: Tea party threat defused, Hatch looks to tax deal

In fact, weetodd, Conservatives are the most generous Americans - by large measure.

 

[Dr.House]

Interesting point

Once the Wright brothers demonstrated their concept, who did they sell their airplanes to?

Wasn't the private sector, it was the Government who bought their planes and turned them from inventors to businessmen

Bullshit. The Wright Brothers went out pounding the pavement worldwide, and it took years for them to make significant sales to the government. :

After the 1905 flying season, the Wrights contacted the United States War Department, as well as governments and individuals in England, France, Germany, and Russia, offering to sell a flying machine. They were turned down time and time again -- government bureaucrats thought they were crackpots; others thought that if two bicycle mechanics could build a successful airplane, they could do it themselves. But the Wright persisted, and in late 1907, the U.S. Army Signal Corps asked for an aircraft. Just a few months later, in early 1908, a French syndicate of businessmen agreed to purchase another.'

The Wright Story

I imagine a gubmint dependent such as yourself does not understand that investing in R&D, manufacturing and selling a product makes people 'businessmen' long before the large contracts which come years later makes them a success.

Nice pwnage...

 

[Dick Tuck]

Interesting point

Once the Wright brothers demonstrated their concept, who did they sell their airplanes to?

Wasn't the private sector, it was the Government who bought their planes and turned them from inventors to businessmen

Correction...

Government offered them the best contract.

They would have gladly accepted competing cointracts if the government didnt out bid the others.

What's your point? All you've done is demonstrate how government invested in this new vehicle. Luck for the brothers that the government also invested in airfields. I believe the first official one was in College Park, MD.

 

[Stephanie]

Interesting point

Once the Wright brothers demonstrated their concept, who did they sell their airplanes to?

Wasn't the private sector, it was the Government who bought their planes and turned them from inventors to businessmen

Correction...

Government offered them the best contract.

They would have gladly accepted competing cointracts if the government didnt out bid the others.

What's your point? All you've done is demonstrate how government invested in this new vehicle. Luck for the brothers that the government also invested in airfields. I believe the first official one was in College Park, MD.

no, we the people invested in it, now say thank you instead of thanking a damn government

 

[OODA_Loop]

Of course people see it, the notion the only reason you are successful is the roads you prepaid for with your taxes is patently retarded.

For fucks sake we need a President that promotes the fact that the INDIVIDIUAL can do anything he will set his mind to if he WORKS for it.

That is where Obama truly failed. Especially his own race.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

But that's not what the President was saying at all. It's what Mitt Romney and Faux News WANT you to think he was saying, but he wasn't. All he was saying is that we're ALL in this together. It was a very humanitarian thing to say, and one that I can't believe Republicans and Conservatives are taking so goddamned literally. Well, no, I can believe it, because it's easier to call him a Socialist than it is to actually HEAR what he's saying.

The fact is that no company does thrive on its own, not even Bain capital. There are small business loans, there are taxpayer funded roads that trucks use to haul goods across state lines. There are firefighters making sure your business' building doesn't go up in flames. But it all goes back to the Conservative notion that GOVERNMENT IS BAD no matter what; even though there's not a single-solitary successful business that hasn't gotten help from the government SOMEWHERE along the lines. What do you think fucking tax breaks, for Christ's sake?

Oh, and then there's this:

Star of Romney ‘My Hands Didn’t Build This’ Ad Received Millions in Government Loans and Contracts - ABC News

Mitt can't even fucking find someone to be in his campaign attack ad on this subject that hasn't taken money from the government.

Sorry Douche,

We are NOT all in it together.

You need to learn that no one is going to take care of you but you. In fact if we drilled that into the heads of people instead of telling them they they can take credit for the work of others we'd all be better off.

Also, thank you proving once and for all that Conservatives are THE MOST selfish group in American politics. Or at least Tea Bagger Conservatives are. We are all in it together, you dumb fucking fuck. My tax dollars and your tax dollars don't go into separate, ideological piles. They go into one big kitty and we've asked our government to represent EVERYONE and agree on how best to spend the money.

You've actually demonstrated the fatal flaw in Tea Bagger politics. You think your side is the only one that matters and therefore you don't have to play the game. Guess what, fucksore? You do have to play the game.

Ask Orin Hatch about how much he gives a fuck about the Tea Baggers now that he's not getting primaried.

The Associated Press: Tea party threat defused, Hatch looks to tax deal

Who cares about Orin Hatch. SS is a ponzi scheme.

 

[Full-Auto]

Sorry Douche,

We are NOT all in it together.

You need to learn that no one is going to take care of you but you. In fact if we drilled that into the heads of people instead of telling them they they can take credit for the work of others we'd all be better off.

Also, thank you proving once and for all that Conservatives are THE MOST selfish group in American politics. Or at least Tea Bagger Conservatives are. We are all in it together, you dumb fucking fuck. My tax dollars and your tax dollars don't go into separate, ideological piles. They go into one big kitty and we've asked our government to represent EVERYONE and agree on how best to spend the money.

You've actually demonstrated the fatal flaw in Tea Bagger politics. You think your side is the only one that matters and therefore you don't have to play the game. Guess what, fucksore? You do have to play the game.

Ask Orin Hatch about how much he gives a fuck about the Tea Baggers now that he's not getting primaried.

The Associated Press: Tea party threat defused, Hatch looks to tax deal

Who cares about Orin Hatch. SS is a ponzi scheme.

Which brings up a another good point............

MSN just ran a story on SS. There is nothing to worry about, when the well is dry they can still pay out 75%

 

[Dick Tuck]

Well I can tell you that my parents, our whole family, made the business a success.

Try telling my parents that the Govt was in any way responsible for that success. Hell. They'd laugh you right out the door.

There are roads out in front of every failed business as well as those which have been successfully built.

The libtard logic here is fail.

Actually, there were morons with enough money to build on a highway, when an interstate was being built. Are these your role models?

 

[Dick Tuck]

There is a difference between primarily responsible and totally responsible......conservatives just can't understand it

And little addle brained socialist leftists like you just can't understand that government has never, will never, and can never "start and build a successful business."

So you made it on your own? You probably went to public schools. You probably have a teacher that inspired you. You worked for the most socialist enterprise that America has to offer. What made you so stupid? Was it listening to Rush?