71 Years

[Unkotare]

See what I mean, Vern? Just from today:

He wouldn't know logic if it picked him up and dropped him on his face.

Once again revealing your juvenile ignorance.

Still nothing? Yeah...

Can't do it? As I thought.

Still waiting...

I'm waiting.

And.............................still nothing...

Well?

If you have a point to make, now would be a good time.

 

[Divine Wind]

If you have a point to make, now would be a good time.

Same point as before: You are a dishonest poster who runs from facts presented, then nags people over the same points over and over again until you can declare yourself victor when they leave.

 

[Unkotare]

If you have a point to make, now would be a good time.

Same point as before: You are a dishonest poster who runs from facts presented........

Test your theory. Present some facts and see if they are run from. To save time, try to present some facts that have been disputed anywhere in this thread.

 

[Unkotare]

Hello?

 

[Unkotare]

HelllloooooOOOOOooooo?

 

[J&K]

Yes. I can explaine more.

You did like Nazi Germany very much or nowadays Nazism like GB and Poland and Finland.

But I know. I like Racism.

 

[regent]

MILITARY VIEWS About Dropping the Atomic Bomb


"Fleet Admiral Chester W. Nimitz, Commander in Chief of the Pacific Fleet stated in a public address given at the Washington Monument on October 5, 1945:



The Japanese had, in fact, already sued for peace before the atomic age was announced to the world with the destruction of Hiroshima and before the Russian entry into the war. (See p. 329, Chapter 26) . . . [Nimitz also stated: "The atomic bomb played no decisive part, from a purely military standpoint, in the defeat of Japan. . . ."]"



"Admiral William F. Halsey, Jr., Commander U.S. Third Fleet, stated publicly in 1946:



The first atomic bomb was an unnecessary experiment. . . . It was a mistake to ever drop it. . . . [the scientists] had this toy and they wanted to try it out, so they dropped it. . . . It killed a lot of Japs, but the Japs had put out a lot of peace feelers through Russia long before. (See p. 331, Chapter 26)"

"On September 20, 1945 the famous "hawk" who commanded the Twenty-First Bomber Command, Major General Curtis E. LeMay (as reported in The New York Herald Tribune) publicly:

• said flatly at one press conference that the atomic bomb "had nothing to do with the end of the war." He said the war would have been over in two weeks without the use of the atomic bomb or the Russian entry into the war. (See p. 336, Chapter 27)"
  
  
  
  "On the 40th Anniversary of the bombing former President Richard M. Nixon reported that:
  • 
    [General Douglas] MacArthur once spoke to me very eloquently about it, pacing the floor of his apartment in the Waldorf. He thought it a tragedy that the Bomb was ever exploded. MacArthur believed that the same restrictions ought to apply to atomic weapons as to conventional weapons, that the military objective should always be limited damage to noncombatants. . . . MacArthur, you see, was a soldier. He believed in using force only against military targets, and that is why the nuclear thing turned him off. . . . (See p. 352, Chapter 28)
    
    
    
  • The day after Hiroshima was bombed MacArthur's pilot, Weldon E. Rhoades, noted in his diary:
    
    
    General MacArthur definitely is appalled and depressed by this Frankenstein monster [the bomb]. I had a long talk with him today, necessitated by the impending trip to Okinawa. . . . (See p. 350, Chapter 28)"

Nimitz, MacArthur, Halsey would not be doing the dying on the beaches, it would be infantry and marines. The brass could now start to write their books.

 

[Unkotare]

MILITARY VIEWS About Dropping the Atomic Bomb


"Fleet Admiral Chester W. Nimitz, Commander in Chief of the Pacific Fleet stated in a public address given at the Washington Monument on October 5, 1945:



The Japanese had, in fact, already sued for peace before the atomic age was announced to the world with the destruction of Hiroshima and before the Russian entry into the war. (See p. 329, Chapter 26) . . . [Nimitz also stated: "The atomic bomb played no decisive part, from a purely military standpoint, in the defeat of Japan. . . ."]"



"Admiral William F. Halsey, Jr., Commander U.S. Third Fleet, stated publicly in 1946:



The first atomic bomb was an unnecessary experiment. . . . It was a mistake to ever drop it. . . . [the scientists] had this toy and they wanted to try it out, so they dropped it. . . . It killed a lot of Japs, but the Japs had put out a lot of peace feelers through Russia long before. (See p. 331, Chapter 26)"

"On September 20, 1945 the famous "hawk" who commanded the Twenty-First Bomber Command, Major General Curtis E. LeMay (as reported in The New York Herald Tribune) publicly:

• said flatly at one press conference that the atomic bomb "had nothing to do with the end of the war." He said the war would have been over in two weeks without the use of the atomic bomb or the Russian entry into the war. (See p. 336, Chapter 27)"
  
  
  
  "On the 40th Anniversary of the bombing former President Richard M. Nixon reported that:
  • 
    [General Douglas] MacArthur once spoke to me very eloquently about it, pacing the floor of his apartment in the Waldorf. He thought it a tragedy that the Bomb was ever exploded. MacArthur believed that the same restrictions ought to apply to atomic weapons as to conventional weapons, that the military objective should always be limited damage to noncombatants. . . . MacArthur, you see, was a soldier. He believed in using force only against military targets, and that is why the nuclear thing turned him off. . . . (See p. 352, Chapter 28)
    
    
    
  • The day after Hiroshima was bombed MacArthur's pilot, Weldon E. Rhoades, noted in his diary:
    
    
    General MacArthur definitely is appalled and depressed by this Frankenstein monster [the bomb]. I had a long talk with him today, necessitated by the impending trip to Okinawa. . . . (See p. 350, Chapter 28)"

Nimitz, MacArthur, Halsey would not be doing the dying on the beaches, it would be infantry and marines. The brass could now start to write their books.

Lamest attempt at avoiding historical FACT ever.

 

[regent]

MILITARY VIEWS About Dropping the Atomic Bomb


"Fleet Admiral Chester W. Nimitz, Commander in Chief of the Pacific Fleet stated in a public address given at the Washington Monument on October 5, 1945:



The Japanese had, in fact, already sued for peace before the atomic age was announced to the world with the destruction of Hiroshima and before the Russian entry into the war. (See p. 329, Chapter 26) . . . [Nimitz also stated: "The atomic bomb played no decisive part, from a purely military standpoint, in the defeat of Japan. . . ."]"



"Admiral William F. Halsey, Jr., Commander U.S. Third Fleet, stated publicly in 1946:



The first atomic bomb was an unnecessary experiment. . . . It was a mistake to ever drop it. . . . [the scientists] had this toy and they wanted to try it out, so they dropped it. . . . It killed a lot of Japs, but the Japs had put out a lot of peace feelers through Russia long before. (See p. 331, Chapter 26)"

"On September 20, 1945 the famous "hawk" who commanded the Twenty-First Bomber Command, Major General Curtis E. LeMay (as reported in The New York Herald Tribune) publicly:

• said flatly at one press conference that the atomic bomb "had nothing to do with the end of the war." He said the war would have been over in two weeks without the use of the atomic bomb or the Russian entry into the war. (See p. 336, Chapter 27)"
  
  
  
  "On the 40th Anniversary of the bombing former President Richard M. Nixon reported that:
  • 
    [General Douglas] MacArthur once spoke to me very eloquently about it, pacing the floor of his apartment in the Waldorf. He thought it a tragedy that the Bomb was ever exploded. MacArthur believed that the same restrictions ought to apply to atomic weapons as to conventional weapons, that the military objective should always be limited damage to noncombatants. . . . MacArthur, you see, was a soldier. He believed in using force only against military targets, and that is why the nuclear thing turned him off. . . . (See p. 352, Chapter 28)
    
    
    
  • The day after Hiroshima was bombed MacArthur's pilot, Weldon E. Rhoades, noted in his diary:
    
    
    General MacArthur definitely is appalled and depressed by this Frankenstein monster [the bomb]. I had a long talk with him today, necessitated by the impending trip to Okinawa. . . . (See p. 350, Chapter 28)"

Nimitz, MacArthur, Halsey would not be doing the dying on the beaches, it would be infantry and marines. The brass could now start to write their books.

Lamest attempt at avoiding historical FACT ever.

Many American young men lived to have a full life, and that's the historical fact.

 

[Unkotare]

MILITARY VIEWS About Dropping the Atomic Bomb


"Fleet Admiral Chester W. Nimitz, Commander in Chief of the Pacific Fleet stated in a public address given at the Washington Monument on October 5, 1945:



The Japanese had, in fact, already sued for peace before the atomic age was announced to the world with the destruction of Hiroshima and before the Russian entry into the war. (See p. 329, Chapter 26) . . . [Nimitz also stated: "The atomic bomb played no decisive part, from a purely military standpoint, in the defeat of Japan. . . ."]"



"Admiral William F. Halsey, Jr., Commander U.S. Third Fleet, stated publicly in 1946:



The first atomic bomb was an unnecessary experiment. . . . It was a mistake to ever drop it. . . . [the scientists] had this toy and they wanted to try it out, so they dropped it. . . . It killed a lot of Japs, but the Japs had put out a lot of peace feelers through Russia long before. (See p. 331, Chapter 26)"

"On September 20, 1945 the famous "hawk" who commanded the Twenty-First Bomber Command, Major General Curtis E. LeMay (as reported in The New York Herald Tribune) publicly:

• said flatly at one press conference that the atomic bomb "had nothing to do with the end of the war." He said the war would have been over in two weeks without the use of the atomic bomb or the Russian entry into the war. (See p. 336, Chapter 27)"
  
  
  
  "On the 40th Anniversary of the bombing former President Richard M. Nixon reported that:
  • 
    [General Douglas] MacArthur once spoke to me very eloquently about it, pacing the floor of his apartment in the Waldorf. He thought it a tragedy that the Bomb was ever exploded. MacArthur believed that the same restrictions ought to apply to atomic weapons as to conventional weapons, that the military objective should always be limited damage to noncombatants. . . . MacArthur, you see, was a soldier. He believed in using force only against military targets, and that is why the nuclear thing turned him off. . . . (See p. 352, Chapter 28)
    
    
    
  • The day after Hiroshima was bombed MacArthur's pilot, Weldon E. Rhoades, noted in his diary:
    
    
    General MacArthur definitely is appalled and depressed by this Frankenstein monster [the bomb]. I had a long talk with him today, necessitated by the impending trip to Okinawa. . . . (See p. 350, Chapter 28)"

Nimitz, MacArthur, Halsey would not be doing the dying on the beaches, it would be infantry and marines. The brass could now start to write their books.

Lamest attempt at avoiding historical FACT ever.

Many American young men lived to have a full life, and that's the historical fact.

Logical fallacy upon logical fallacy.

 

[regent]

MILITARY VIEWS About Dropping the Atomic Bomb


"Fleet Admiral Chester W. Nimitz, Commander in Chief of the Pacific Fleet stated in a public address given at the Washington Monument on October 5, 1945:



The Japanese had, in fact, already sued for peace before the atomic age was announced to the world with the destruction of Hiroshima and before the Russian entry into the war. (See p. 329, Chapter 26) . . . [Nimitz also stated: "The atomic bomb played no decisive part, from a purely military standpoint, in the defeat of Japan. . . ."]"



"Admiral William F. Halsey, Jr., Commander U.S. Third Fleet, stated publicly in 1946:



The first atomic bomb was an unnecessary experiment. . . . It was a mistake to ever drop it. . . . [the scientists] had this toy and they wanted to try it out, so they dropped it. . . . It killed a lot of Japs, but the Japs had put out a lot of peace feelers through Russia long before. (See p. 331, Chapter 26)"

"On September 20, 1945 the famous "hawk" who commanded the Twenty-First Bomber Command, Major General Curtis E. LeMay (as reported in The New York Herald Tribune) publicly:

• said flatly at one press conference that the atomic bomb "had nothing to do with the end of the war." He said the war would have been over in two weeks without the use of the atomic bomb or the Russian entry into the war. (See p. 336, Chapter 27)"
  
  
  
  "On the 40th Anniversary of the bombing former President Richard M. Nixon reported that:
  • 
    [General Douglas] MacArthur once spoke to me very eloquently about it, pacing the floor of his apartment in the Waldorf. He thought it a tragedy that the Bomb was ever exploded. MacArthur believed that the same restrictions ought to apply to atomic weapons as to conventional weapons, that the military objective should always be limited damage to noncombatants. . . . MacArthur, you see, was a soldier. He believed in using force only against military targets, and that is why the nuclear thing turned him off. . . . (See p. 352, Chapter 28)
    
    
    
  • The day after Hiroshima was bombed MacArthur's pilot, Weldon E. Rhoades, noted in his diary:
    
    
    General MacArthur definitely is appalled and depressed by this Frankenstein monster [the bomb]. I had a long talk with him today, necessitated by the impending trip to Okinawa. . . . (See p. 350, Chapter 28)"

Nimitz, MacArthur, Halsey would not be doing the dying on the beaches, it would be infantry and marines. The brass could now start to write their books.

Lamest attempt at avoiding historical FACT ever.

Many American young men lived to have a full life, and that's the historical fact.

Logical fallacy upon logical fallacy.

Wow, that must have really hurt, but you will recover.

 

[Divine Wind]

Wow, that must have really hurt, but you will recover.

He loves the attention even though he'll never refute your facts with his own. He'll either deny the facts, as you've just seen, or nag you with proving him wrong while simultaneously ignoring any facts you've presented. It's very immature on his part.

FWIW

Operation Downfall - History Learning Site
The main concern for the Americans was the potential for huge casualty rates. Nearly every senior officer involved in the planning did his own research regarding American casualties – this was based on the experience America had fighting the Japanese sincePearl Harbour.

The Joint Chiefs of Staff estimated that Olympic alone would cost 456,000 men, including 109,000 killed. Including Coronet, it was estimated that America would experience 1.2 million casualties, with 267,000 deaths.

Staff working for Chester Nimitz, calculated that the first 30 days of Olympic alone would cost 49,000 men.MacArthur’s staff concluded that America would suffer 125,000 casualties after 120 days, a figure that was later reduced to 105,000 casualties after his staff subtracted the men who when wounded could return to battle.

General Marshall, in conference with President Truman, estimated 31,000 in 30 days after landing in Kyushu. Admiral Leahy estimated that the invasion would cost 268,000 casualties. Personnel at the Navy Department estimated that the total losses to America would be between 1.7 and 4 million with 400,000 to 800,000 deaths. The same department estimated that there would be up to 10 million Japanese casualties. The ‘Los Angeles Times’ estimated that America would suffer up to 1 million casualties.

Regardless of which figures were used, it was an accepted fact that America would lose a very large number of men. This was one of the reasons why President Truman authorised the use of the atomic bomb in an effort to get Japan to surrender. On August 6th, ‘Little Boy’ was dropped on Hiroshima and on August 9th, ‘Fat Man’ was dropped on Nagasaki. On September 2nd, Japan surrendered and America and her allies were spared the task of invading Japan with the projected massive casualties this would entail.

 

[Unkotare]

No. None of my comments imply that any harm should be done to the US soldiers or civilian population.
If anything my position is that after dropping the first bomb the US should have waited one week before dropping a second bomb. No harm there, as far as I can tell.

How many Americans were dying every single day the war dragged on? ...

In that case, why were overtures for surrender ignored in January of '45?

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[Unkotare]

"In an article that finally appeared August 19, 1945, on the front pages of the Chicago Tribune and the Washington Times-Herald, Trohan revealed that on January 20, 1945, two days prior to his departure for the Yalta meeting with Stalin and Churchill, President Roosevelt received a 40-page memorandum from General Douglas MacArthur outlining five separate surrender overtures from high-level Japanese officials. (The complete text of Trohan's article is in the Winter 1985-86Journal, pp. 508-512.)

This memo showed that the Japanese were offering surrender terms virtually identical to the ones ultimately accepted by the Americans at the formal surrender ceremony on September 2 -- that is, complete surrender of everything but the person of the Emperor. Specifically, the terms of these peace overtures included:

• Complete surrender of all Japanese forces and arms, at home, on island possessions, and in occupied countries.
• Occupation of Japan and its possessions by Allied troops under American direction.
• Japanese relinquishment of all territory seized during the war, as well as Manchuria, Korea and Taiwan.
• Regulation of Japanese industry to halt production of any weapons and other tools of war.
• Release of all prisoners of war and internees.
• Surrender of designated war criminals."

Was Hiroshima Necessary?

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[Unkotare]

Yes I do. That's why I have provided links, facts, and direct quotes from political and military leaders of the day. ..

Dude, a link to someone elses opinion is still an opinion, but you are free to believe whatever revisionist crap you like.

Hiroshima: Quotes


Ignored Japanese Peace Bids Plague U. S., West, with What Might Have Been (August 14, 1965)

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[Unkotare]

The Japanese were racist as well as fascist, they invaded Manchuria because they were the "superior' race . Just like Hitler when he invaded Czechoslovakia, and the similarities don't end there, either. Eisnatzastgroupen, Unit 731.

So, the bombs were dropped in protest against racism? You really think fdr - of all people - gave a moment's thought about the evils of racism?

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[regent]

The Japanese were racist as well as fascist, they invaded Manchuria because they were the "superior' race . Just like Hitler when he invaded Czechoslovakia, and the similarities don't end there, either. Eisnatzastgroupen, Unit 731.

So, the bombs were dropped in protest against racism? You really think fdr - of all people - gave a moment's thought about the evils of racism?

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To use your type of argument I would say: so that's your argument "FDR was racist."

 

[Unkotare]

The Japanese were racist as well as fascist, they invaded Manchuria because they were the "superior' race . Just like Hitler when he invaded Czechoslovakia, and the similarities don't end there, either. Eisnatzastgroupen, Unit 731.

So, the bombs were dropped in protest against racism? You really think fdr - of all people - gave a moment's thought about the evils of racism?

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To use your type of argument I would say: so that's your argument "FDR was racist."

Are you denying that he was?

 

[J&K]

Racism aren't evil.

Nazi Germany are evil.

Nazi Germany only.

Dumb drop atomic bomb in Japan.

 

[Unkotare]

On the Sixty-Sixth Anniversary of the Bombing of Hiroshima - Gar Alperovitz

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