71 House Repubs think it's fine that Russia annexed Crimea

[AntonToo]

Gee who helped Russia gobble up Crimea.....that would be Obama and Hilly .....can ya say reset.....knew ya could

What the fuck?

How exactly did they help?

Obambi ALLOWED Russia to do it.
Lord

ALLOWED HOW?

WTF are you talking about idiot? You think Russia asked Obama if it's ok??

Or maybe you are saying Obama allowed it by not deploying a standing army on Russia's border when he became a president just in case?

It happened on his watch dickwad. He backed out of the agreement we made to defend them if they gave up their Nukes. You're an ignorant prick kid.

HOW moron? HOW?

Short of standing army on Russian border, which NO ONE even on the right proposes, Russia can roll in and take another piece of Ukraine TOMMOROW and guess what, Trumpy bear wouldn't be able to do shit about it except ramp up sanctions some more.

 

[AntonToo]

Gee who helped Russia gobble up Crimea.....that would be Obama and Hilly .....can ya say reset.....knew ya could

What the fuck?

How exactly did they help?

Obambi ALLOWED Russia to do it.
Lord

ALLOWED HOW?

WTF are you talking about idiot? You think Russia asked Obama if it's ok??

Or maybe you are saying Obama allowed it by not deploying a standing army on Russia's border when he became a president just in case?

It happened on his watch dickwad. He backed out of the agreement we made to defend them if they gave up their Nukes. You're an ignorant prick kid.

I know when it happened moron, I also know that a standing army on Russian border is not an option and there is absolutely not a single constructive option that you could retroactively propose now that would stop Russia from annexing Crimea.

You are the ignorant one here, running your mouth about shit you are clueless about.

 

[satrebil]

"71 House Repubs think it's fine that Russia annexed Crimea"

It is fine.

Over 60% of Crimeans are ethnic Russians and in 2014 96% of Crimeans - yes, NINETY-SIX PERCENT - voted "yes" in a public referendum to join the Russian Federation.

Why do you hate democracy and self-determination?

Your kind was okay with Hitler invading the Sudetenland.

The reason there are so many ethnic Russians in Crimea, dumbass, is because the Soviet Union put them there.

You have nary a clue what my "kind" is.

 

[Meathead]

who cares? It does not affect the US one way or the other.

it's a major seaport for the area's oil

IE, as long as we're in good with our comrade chums, the oilocracy does biz

~S~

But it was Russia's to begin with

Hell with freedom.

Yeah, have you noticed the riots and other civil disobedience of Crimeans protesting Russia's takeover?

I haven't either.

Would you do that in Russia?

Idjit: Crimeans vote over 90 percent to quit Ukraine for Russia

 

[K9Buck]

The pro-Russia posture is one of the hallmarks of the New Trumpbulbican party.

Trump has done FAR more to oppose the Russians than Obama ever did. You would admit it this truth if you weren't a partisan hack.

 

[K9Buck]

I have a question for all of you Angela Merkel-loving leftists with regard to Russia, Ukraine and Crimea.

If Angela Merkel is so outraged about Russia and the Crimea, why then do they do so much business with Russia? And why are you so quiet about it?

 

[sparky]

it's a major seaport for the area's oil

IE, as long as we're in good with our comrade chums, the oilocracy does biz

~S~

But it was Russia's to begin with

Hell with freedom.

Yeah, have you noticed the riots and other civil disobedience of Crimeans protesting Russia's takeover?

I haven't either.

Would you do that in Russia?

Idjit: Crimeans vote over 90 percent to quit Ukraine for Russia

Many Crimeans hope union with Russia will bring better pay and make them citizens of a country capable of asserting itself on the world stage. But others saw the referendum as a land grab by the Kremlin from Ukraine, whose new rulers want to move the country towards the European Union and away from Russia's sway.

 

[kyzr]

From the OP article:
"The resolution passed out of committee unanimously earlier this year."

So the GOP members of the committee all supported the resolution, and the article didn't say why the 71 voted against it.
Maybe they wanted a stronger condemnation? I can't imagine why else to vote against it.

 

[sparky]

I have a question for all of you Angela Merkel-loving leftists with regard to Russia, Ukraine and Crimea.

If Angela Merkel is so outraged about Russia and the Crimea, why then do they do so much business with Russia? And why are you so quiet about it?

not so quiet really....
(2014)....

Putin defended the vote in a phone call on Sunday with German Chancellor Angela Merkel, saying it complied with international law, including Article 1 of the U.N. Charter which states the principle of self-determination of peoples. "It was emphasized that Russia will respect the choice of the Crimean people," a Kremlin statement said.

&&&&&&&&&&&&> to date....
International sanctions during the Ukrainian crisis - Wikipedia

In addition to the sanctions, Russian President Vladimir Putin has accused the United States of conspiring with Saudi Arabia to intentionally weaken the Russian economy by decreasing the price of oil.[7] By mid-2016, Russia had lost an estimated $170 billion due to financial sanctions, with another $400 billion in lost revenues from oil and gas.[8]

economics seem always an undertone....

~S~

 

[berg80]

House passes resolution disapproving of Russia being included in future G7 summits
House passes resolution disapproving of Russia being included in future G7 summits

The House on Tuesday passed a resolution disapproving of Russia being included in future Group of Seven (G-7) summits in a 339-71 vote on Tuesday.

The resolution was introduced by Rep. Albio Sires (D-N.J.) in August after President Trump said in August he believed Russia should be readmitted into the G-7. Russia was expelled from the G-8 in 2014 due to its occupation of territory in Ukraine.

The resolution includes language reiterating the United States’ support for Ukraine while denouncing the country’s occupation of Crimea and destabilization in the region.
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Incidentally, they also think all should be forgotten with respect to Russia's attack on our democracy during the 2016 election (and what Russia is currently doing to corrupt the 2020 election according to the intel agencies) because Dear Leader wants them to.

Which begs the question....................why does Dear Leader want them to?

Which brings another question to mind. Why hasn't Trump done...........basically anything...........to help secure the upcoming election from foreign influence? Is his sensitivity to admitting Russia helped him in 2016 so great he refuses to address a dire national security matter for 2020? Apparently so.

Putin took Crimea under Obama. He would have never done so under a Trump, Bush or Reagan. Maybe a Carter.

Just putting things in perspective.

Putting aside the absurdity of your comment, since the US had no protection treaty with Ukraine and it was not part of NATO, exactly what do you suggest Obama (and the world community) should have done to stop Russia from annexing Crimea? Start a war with an opponent possessing nuclear weapons?

 

[CowboyTed]

Pretending Russia doesn't exist is not a foreign policy.

Not to mention it was Obama who told Romney Russia was no threat. Then did nothing as Russia "meddled" in our election.

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Pretending Russia doesn't exist? No one is suggesting we do that. The question is, why does Trump want to reward Putin for meddling in our election and occupying part of a country that is an ally? And why isn't he doing more to protect the US from future election influence on the part of foreign countries?

Because there is more to gain from having Russia at the table where influence can be exercised by the group towards them than simply ignoring them.

Personally I think we should abolish all these "world order groups"
They are all feckless and only serve to enrich themselves.

Are you so fucking stupid to believe you can negotiate with Putin's Russian? You want to get a deal with an exKGB officer...

And to top is all off you the Greenland buyer to do that... You can't send trust fund baby to a guy like that... The rest oif the world leaders are now laughing at him, he is a joke who only qualification for being in the room is that he only lost by 3 million votes... Those leaders pity US, so Trump is right about one thing, nobody is laughing at US anymore, it is pity...

 

[berg80]

who cares? It does not affect the US one way or the other.

it's a major seaport for the area's oil

IE, as long as we're in good with our comrade chums, the oilocracy does biz

~S~

But it was Russia's to begin with

Hell with freedom.

Yeah, have you noticed the riots and other civil disobedience of Crimeans protesting Russia's takeover?

I haven't either.

It is well understood a large percentage of Crimeans are ethnically Russian. However, that doesn't change the unalterable fact Russia's annexation of Crimea was internationally recognized as an illegal incursion on Ukraine's sovereignty.

They Cheered Russian Rule. Now Some Have Buyer’s Remorse.

 

[Confounding]

You are blaming Republicans for Crimea?

No. Did you read the post? I asked why they are willing to let Russia off the hook for occupying Crimea and for interfering in our election?

Probably because the Crimean people wanted to be part of Russia. They are still happy about it today. The only one with an issue is the Ukrainian government. The people that live there identify as Russian. I side with what the people want over what governments want.

 

[sparky]

Probably because the Crimean people wanted to be part of Russia.

Overwhelmingly so.....

~S~

 

[Meathead]

who cares? It does not affect the US one way or the other.

it's a major seaport for the area's oil

IE, as long as we're in good with our comrade chums, the oilocracy does biz

~S~

But it was Russia's to begin with

Hell with freedom.

Yeah, have you noticed the riots and other civil disobedience of Crimeans protesting Russia's takeover?

I haven't either.

It is well understood a large percentage of Crimeans are ethnically Russian. However, that doesn't change the unalterable fact Russia's annexation of Crimea was internationally recognized as an illegal incursion on Ukraine's sovereignty.

They Cheered Russian Rule. Now Some Have Buyer’s Remorse.

Yet the transfer of Crimea to Ukraine was done without their consent also. Among many the many things you don't seem to grasp is that Putin treated Obama like a bitch having rightly concluded he was impotent.

Trump, like Reagan, the Bushes Trump and even Clinton, was another matter.

 

[berg80]

it's a major seaport for the area's oil

IE, as long as we're in good with our comrade chums, the oilocracy does biz

~S~

But it was Russia's to begin with

Hell with freedom.

Yeah, have you noticed the riots and other civil disobedience of Crimeans protesting Russia's takeover?

I haven't either.

Would you do that in Russia?

Idjit: Crimeans vote over 90 percent to quit Ukraine for Russia

Thank you for the link. Did you read the article?

SIMFEROPOL/KIEV (Reuters) - Russian state media said Crimeans voted overwhelmingly to break with Ukraine and join Russia on Sunday, as Kiev accused Moscow of pouring forces into the peninsula and warned separatist leaders "the ground will burn under their feet".

With over half the votes counted, 95.5 percent had chosen the option of annexation by Moscow, the head of the referendum commission, Mikhail Malyshev, said two hours after polls closed. Turnout was 83 percent, he added - a high figure given that many who opposed the move had said they would boycott the vote.

Western powers and leaders in Kiev denounced it as a sham.

Underlining how Moscow's military takeover of the peninsula two weeks ago has driven Russia and the West into a crisis with echoes of the Cold War, Vladimir Putin and Barack Obama spoke by telephone and, according to the Kremlin, the Russian and U.S. presidents agreed on a need to cooperate to stabilize Ukraine.

"This referendum is contrary to Ukraine's constitution," a White House spokesman said. "The international community will not recognize the results of a poll administered under threats of violence and intimidation from a Russian military intervention that violates international law."

 

[Meathead]

But it was Russia's to begin with

Hell with freedom.

Yeah, have you noticed the riots and other civil disobedience of Crimeans protesting Russia's takeover?

I haven't either.

Would you do that in Russia?

Idjit: Crimeans vote over 90 percent to quit Ukraine for Russia

Thank you for the link. Did you read the article?

SIMFEROPOL/KIEV (Reuters) - Russian state media said Crimeans voted overwhelmingly to break with Ukraine and join Russia on Sunday, as Kiev accused Moscow of pouring forces into the peninsula and warned separatist leaders "the ground will burn under their feet".

With over half the votes counted, 95.5 percent had chosen the option of annexation by Moscow, the head of the referendum commission, Mikhail Malyshev, said two hours after polls closed. Turnout was 83 percent, he added - a high figure given that many who opposed the move had said they would boycott the vote.

Western powers and leaders in Kiev denounced it as a sham.

Underlining how Moscow's military takeover of the peninsula two weeks ago has driven Russia and the West into a crisis with echoes of the Cold War, Vladimir Putin and Barack Obama spoke by telephone and, according to the Kremlin, the Russian and U.S. presidents agreed on a need to cooperate to stabilize Ukraine.

"This referendum is contrary to Ukraine's constitution," a White House spokesman said. "The international community will not recognize the results of a poll administered under threats of violence and intimidation from a Russian military intervention that violates international law."

Again, the lack of resistance on the part of the governed speaks far louder than the residual whining of someone whose candidate lost an election 3 years ago in a distant land.

That's just the way it is.

 

[MAGAman]

House passes resolution disapproving of Russia being included in future G7 summits
House passes resolution disapproving of Russia being included in future G7 summits

The House on Tuesday passed a resolution disapproving of Russia being included in future Group of Seven (G-7) summits in a 339-71 vote on Tuesday.

The resolution was introduced by Rep. Albio Sires (D-N.J.) in August after President Trump said in August he believed Russia should be readmitted into the G-7. Russia was expelled from the G-8 in 2014 due to its occupation of territory in Ukraine.

The resolution includes language reiterating the United States’ support for Ukraine while denouncing the country’s occupation of Crimea and destabilization in the region.
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Incidentally, they also think all should be forgotten with respect to Russia's attack on our democracy during the 2016 election (and what Russia is currently doing to corrupt the 2020 election according to the intel agencies) because Dear Leader wants them to.

Which begs the question....................why does Dear Leader want them to?

Which brings another question to mind. Why hasn't Trump done...........basically anything...........to help secure the upcoming election from foreign influence? Is his sensitivity to admitting Russia helped him in 2016 so great he refuses to address a dire national security matter for 2020? Apparently so.

Newsflash.

Crimea was annexed when Obama was POTUS.

Obama sent Ukraine blankets and sandwiches and refused to send them the defensive weapons like Trump sent.

And Democrats applauded.

 

[JWBooth]

Are you so fucking stupid to believe you can negotiate with Putin's Russian? You want to get a deal with an exKGB officer...

Other countries do so regularly to their mutual benefit.

 

[berg80]

The only one with an issue is the Ukrainian government.

Hmmmmmmmmm. Is that true? Nope. The international community recognized it as the first illegal military occupation of another country's land since WW II and responded accordingly.

Then there was................
European Reassurance Initiative and Other U.S. Efforts in Support of NATO Allies and Partners
FACT SHEET: European Reassurance Initiative and Other U.S. Efforts in Support of NATO Allies and Partners

Since early March, the United States has taken action, both bilaterally and through NATO, to reassure allies of our solemn commitment to their security and territorial integrity as members of the NATO Alliance. A persistent U.S. air, land, and sea presence in the region, especially in Central and Eastern Europe, is a necessary and appropriate show of support to allies who have contributed robustly and bravely to Alliance operations in Afghanistan and elsewhere and who are now deeply concerned by Russia’s occupation and attempted annexation of Crimea and other provocative actions in Ukraine. The United States stands by its allies, as they have stood by us. We will continue to take actions that increase the capability, readiness, and responsiveness of NATO forces to address any threat and that aid in deterring further destabilizing activities. That is why the President today called on Congress to support a European Reassurance Initiative of up to $1 billion, which will enable us in the next year to undertake measures to:

• Increase exercises, training, and rotational presence across Europe but especially on the territory of our newer allies. Many of the U.S. air and ground forces participating in these activities would rotate from the United States.
• As we have done in Poland, deploy detachments of U.S. planners to augment the capability of our allies to design and host a broad range of training and exercise opportunities.
• Increase the responsiveness of U.S. forces to reinforce NATO by exploring initiatives such as the prepositioning of equipment and improvements to other reception facilities and infrastructure in Europe.
• Increase participation by the U.S. Navy in NATO naval force deployments, including more persistent deployments to the Black and Baltic seas.
• Build the partner capacity of close friends such as Georgia, Moldova, and Ukraine so they can better work alongside the United States and NATO, as well as provide for their own defense.

U.S. hits oil giant Rosneft, other firms with toughest Russia sanctions
U.S. hits oil giant Rosneft, other firms with toughest Russia sanctions

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Barack Obama imposed the biggest package of U.S. economic sanctions yet on Russia on Wednesday, hitting Russia’s largest oil producer Rosneft and other energy, financial and defense firms, with what he called significant but targeted penalties.

U.S., other powers kick Russia out of G8
U.S., other powers kick Russia out of G8 - CNNPolitics

President Barack Obama and other world leaders have decided to end Russia's role in the group of leading industrialized nations, the White House said Monday.
The move to suspend Russia's membership in the G8 is the latest direct response from major countries allied against Russia's annexation of Crimea.
"International law prohibits the acquisition of part or all of another state's territory through coercion or force," the statement said. "To do so violates the principles upon which the international system is built. We condemn the illegal referendum held in Crimea in violation of Ukraine's constitution.