70 Facts About The Economy That Obama Doesn't Want You To Know

[Shelzin]

And... Just to give you all a heads up... Whenever we have a war and gas prices go up do to ... Well... Demand... You ever notice that the prices doesn't go back down to what it was before the war? Think about it.

 

[Shelzin]

First of all, oil companies have NEVER NEVER NEVER EVER received a "subsidy" from the US government. Thank you for showing the world what a typical ignorant liberal you are.

The tax credits are essentially the same thing. Why give them a pass? They get a break because of what they are.


That's good. You shouldn't want them to get any


Please... verify it. It was below $2 for what...? A couple days? How in the world do you expect anyone to believe that? I'm sure 90% of us, at least, have to buy gas. You are basically calling people stupid for believing in what you are saying, and if you put any thought into it you would already know that. But you are just following... I don't know... A script maybe?

Fourth, and final (and most important), the president could make the cost of gas plummet by stopping his idiot blockage on off shore drilling. By NOT blocking the Keystone pipeline, and by not doing ANY of his ignorant engergy policies that are creating energy shortages which are causing prices to skyrocket.

Buddy... It's not my fault you don't know what the hell you are talking about when it comes to the Oil companies... Some of your information is right... Like about the stuff in this quoted paragraph. What's above it you are wrong. It's not my fault you are wrong. Don't blame me.

Thanks for the neg rep... *shrugs*

I'll address point three, only because it is obvious and I remember it well.
Here is the link to help you out, from October of 2008 to until November 2009, we were under $3.00 a gallon. From November 2008 to until the first of May 2009, we were under $2.00 a gallon.

Historical Gas Price Charts - GasBuddy.com

Actually... Where you live might have something to do with it as well... I'm from Iowa... Our average is normally higher than people who live in the west, but cheaper than the east.

Point is this is bullshit propaganda. If you want to go after Obama for something it would be a good idea to make sure that the 8 years of Bush isn't directly comparable.

 

[Shelzin]

And fuck you guys for making me do a multiple Truthmatters hissy fit.

I'm going to bed. lol

 

[Papageorgio]

The tax credits are essentially the same thing. Why give them a pass? They get a break because of what they are.


That's good. You shouldn't want them to get any


Please... verify it. It was below $2 for what...? A couple days? How in the world do you expect anyone to believe that? I'm sure 90% of us, at least, have to buy gas. You are basically calling people stupid for believing in what you are saying, and if you put any thought into it you would already know that. But you are just following... I don't know... A script maybe?


Buddy... It's not my fault you don't know what the hell you are talking about when it comes to the Oil companies... Some of your information is right... Like about the stuff in this quoted paragraph. What's above it you are wrong. It's not my fault you are wrong. Don't blame me.

Thanks for the neg rep... *shrugs*

I'll address point three, only because it is obvious and I remember it well.
Here is the link to help you out, from October of 2008 to until November 2009, we were under $3.00 a gallon. From November 2008 to until the first of May 2009, we were under $2.00 a gallon.

Historical Gas Price Charts - GasBuddy.com

Actually... Where you live might have something to do with it as well... I'm from Iowa... Our average is normally higher than people who live in the west, but cheaper than the east.

Point is this is bullshit propaganda. If you want to go after Obama for something it would be a good idea to make sure that the 8 years of Bush isn't directly comparable.

It was a NATIONAL AVERAGE.

I never used gas prices against Obama, I think he has little control over the price, however the left blamed Bush for high gas prices. Now, left wing nuts are telling us different, they created the issue years ago, so I'll let it bite them in the ass now.

 

[JDzBrain]

I don't know what the fuck you are smoking but gas prices at the pump haven't been even close to $1.85... And throughout the Bush era it was a hell of a lot higher. You remember the whole war thing right?

I'm sorry but are you expecting people not to remember this?

What the fuck do you want another subsidy for the oil companies? How else would the president bring the price of gas down? God damn I can't believe you'd post such complete stupidity. I mean WHY? Why would you want people to think you are stupid enough to believe this?

Uh...you MIGHT want to know what the hell you're talking about before you go poppin' off!?!?

The national average for a gallon of gas as was actually $1.62 a gallon in 2008!

And you are RIGHT. I DO remember the war thing. And gas prices have NEVER been higher on average, at the pump, during a sustained 4 year period in the HISTORY of this country than they have been since Obama was annotated...EVEN DURING THE GULF WARS!

And it's not just gas. ALL energy has risen by 25% on average. The largest single jump in energy cost since Jimmy Carter's FAKE energy crisis.

By the way, you'll notice the wild swings in that chart? Just WHEN did those begin and what happened about that time...oh, yeah. The DEMOCRATS took control of BOTH houses of Congress!

SOMEbody better buy a clue!

 

[Papageorgio]

The tax credits are essentially the same thing. Why give them a pass? They get a break because of what they are.


That's good. You shouldn't want them to get any


Please... verify it. It was below $2 for what...? A couple days? How in the world do you expect anyone to believe that? I'm sure 90% of us, at least, have to buy gas. You are basically calling people stupid for believing in what you are saying, and if you put any thought into it you would already know that. But you are just following... I don't know... A script maybe?


Buddy... It's not my fault you don't know what the hell you are talking about when it comes to the Oil companies... Some of your information is right... Like about the stuff in this quoted paragraph. What's above it you are wrong. It's not my fault you are wrong. Don't blame me.

Thanks for the neg rep... *shrugs*

I'll address point three, only because it is obvious and I remember it well.
Here is the link to help you out, from October of 2008 to until November 2009, we were under $3.00 a gallon. From November 2008 to until the first of May 2009, we were under $2.00 a gallon.

Historical Gas Price Charts - GasBuddy.com

We my ass... I wasn't. I remember damn sure the price of crude was down, but the gas prices didn't go with it.

Edit: In fact during Bush's term I remember betting a friend of mine that the price of gas wouldn't go below 3.20 a gallon. I was wrong... It was 3.18 for two days.

Bullshit! According the site, Iowa and Des Moines pretty much mirrored the nation in the average, so you are either suffering from Alzheimer's or you are a partisan wingnut.

http://www.GasBuddy.com/gb_retail_p...oines&city3=IowaState&crude=n&tme=48&units=us

 

[Shelzin]

I never used gas prices against Obama, I think he has little control over the price, however the left blamed Bush for high gas prices. Now, left wing nuts are telling us different, they created the issue years ago, so I'll let it bite them in the ass now.

So... You know it's wrong to do... But you do it anyway? Brilliant. Why are you arguing again?

 

[Shelzin]

I'll address point three, only because it is obvious and I remember it well.
Here is the link to help you out, from October of 2008 to until November 2009, we were under $3.00 a gallon. From November 2008 to until the first of May 2009, we were under $2.00 a gallon.

Historical Gas Price Charts - GasBuddy.com

We my ass... I wasn't. I remember damn sure the price of crude was down, but the gas prices didn't go with it.

Edit: In fact during Bush's term I remember betting a friend of mine that the price of gas wouldn't go below 3.20 a gallon. I was wrong... It was 3.18 for two days.

Bullshit! According the site, Iowa and Des Moines pretty much mirrored the nation in the average, so you are either suffering from Alzheimer's or you are a partisan wingnut.

http://www.GasBuddy.com/gb_retail_p...oines&city3=IowaState&crude=n&tme=48&units=us

I'm two hours drive from Des Moines. There are more people in that city than there is within 30 mile radius from where I sit right now.

While I admit that my location likely has something to do with it... However it still does not warrant Mr. Monkeys bullshit stance that Obama was worse for gas than the last three presidencies.

That's my point... I agree that I went about it poorly. My badd.

 

[asaratis]

One thing about the economy we all know, republicans want it to suck to the point of engaging in sabotage.

Most Republicans would like to see a balanced budget, an honest attempt to live within it and a reduction in deficit spending (hopefully to ZERO). The Marxist Obama is intent on spending us into bankruptcy, imposing martial law after the riots start, emerging as a full fledged Marxist society with Obama as dictator and Supreme Grand Dragon.

And fuck you guys for making me do a multiple Truthmatters hissy fit.

I'm going to bed. lol

Perhaps you should stay in bed, get plenty of rest, take plenty of drugs and try to get over the FACT that Barack Hussein Obama is a goddamned Marxist liar.

 

[Shelzin]

And fuck you guys for making me do a multiple Truthmatters hissy fit.

I'm going to bed. lol

Perhaps you should stay in bed, get plenty of rest, take plenty of drugs and try to get over the FACT that Barack Hussein Obama is a goddamned Marxist liar.

If that's true or not it's hardly makes a difference to the topic.

 

[P@triot]

The tax credits are essentially the same thing. Why give them a pass? They get a break because of what they are.

Look who is back peddling now. From the smug IGNORANT asshole screaming "why are you so stupid to believe and post this, blah, blah, blah" to a whole different tone now. Since you are a child and very fucking stupid, allow me to school you son (ie educate you since your parents and your school system clearly did an awful job):

Sub.si.dy
1. (Economics) a financial aid supplied by a government, as to industry, for reasons of public welfare, the balance of payments, etc.

Oil companies have never received "financial aid" from the government. A tax break is not a "subsidy". Allowing a person and/or entity to keep more of what is already their's, more of what they earned, is nothing like being given money that you didn't already have. You're a fucking buffoon with no understanding of the subject and/or policies. Go back to your little MTV chat room asshole and discuss pop music. Leave the adults to discuss the important stuff.

That's good. You shouldn't want them to get any

Considering you're a fucking moron with zero understanding of the facts, who has already proven he did not know the facts, you're in no position to tell anyone what they should or should not want. First you need to know what you're talking about before you can tell anyone what they should or should not want.

What you should want is the end of your belief in communism/marxism/socialism/fascism and you should go read the US Constitution for the first time in your life.

Please... verify it. It was below $2 for what...? A couple days? How in the world do you expect anyone to believe that? I'm sure 90% of us, at least, have to buy gas. You are basically calling people stupid for believing in what you are saying, and if you put any thought into it you would already know that. But you are just following... I don't know... A script maybe?

More back peddling. First it "never" happened. Now, suddenly, you're going "for a couple of days maybe"? The numbers don't lie, even if your left-wing nut job mommy and daddy do to you. When Obama took office, gas was $1.89 a gallon. Now it's $3.65 or more a gallon. When Obama took office, the national debt was $9 trillion dollars. Now it's $15 trillion. That's right, it took us 235 years to accumulate $9 trillion in debt and Obama has added 2/3 of that in just 3 years. It's mind boggling to anyone who can add and subtract (that eliminates you, stupid).

Buddy... It's not my fault you don't know what the hell you are talking about when it comes to the Oil companies... Some of your information is right... Like about the stuff in this quoted paragraph. What's above it you are wrong. It's not my fault you are wrong. Don't blame me.

Even more back peddling! You're such an ignorant little liberal (which is redundant really - liberal = ignorant), that in the same sentence you actually say "you don't know what the hell you are talking about when it comes to oil companies" and then immediately say "some of your information is right". If "some of my information is right", then clearly I know at least some of what I'm talking about. Here's the thing - ALL of my information is right and can be independently verified by anyone who is not A.) a child (like you) and/or B.) too lazy to do a little researach (like you).

 

[Shelzin]

The tax credits are essentially the same thing. Why give them a pass? They get a break because of what they are.

Look who is back peddling now. From the smug IGNORANT asshole screaming "why are you so stupid to believe and post this, blah, blah, blah" to a whole different tone now. Since you are a child and very fucking stupid, allow me to school you son (ie educate you since your parents and your school system clearly did an awful job):

Sub.si.dy
1. (Economics) a financial aid supplied by a government, as to industry, for reasons of public welfare, the balance of payments, etc.

Oil companies have never received "financial aid" from the government. A tax break is not a "subsidy". Allowing a person and/or entity to keep more of what is already their's, more of what they earned, is nothing like being given money that you didn't already have. You're a fucking buffoon with no understanding of the subject and/or policies. Go back to your little MTV chat room asshole and discuss pop music. Leave the adults to discuss the important stuff.

A tax break isn't a financial aid supplied by a government, as to industry, for reasons of public welfare, the balance of payments, etc.?

*laughs*

That's good. You shouldn't want them to get any

Considering you're a fucking moron with zero understanding of the facts, who has already proven he did not know the facts, you're in no position to tell anyone what they should or should not want. First you need to know what you're talking about before you can tell anyone what they should or should not want.

You know how I troll trolls? I keep them talking.

What you should want is the end of your belief in communism/marxism/socialism/fascism and you should go read the US Constitution for the first time in your life.

Yeah... Practice what you preach. I try to, but I'm not perfect. *shrugs*

Please... verify it. It was below $2 for what...? A couple days? How in the world do you expect anyone to believe that? I'm sure 90% of us, at least, have to buy gas. You are basically calling people stupid for believing in what you are saying, and if you put any thought into it you would already know that. But you are just following... I don't know... A script maybe?

More back peddling. First it "never" happened. Now, suddenly, you're going "for a couple of days maybe"? The numbers don't lie, even if your left-wing nut job mommy and daddy do to you. When Obama took office, gas was $1.89 a gallon. Now it's $3.65 or more a gallon. When Obama took office, the national debt was $9 trillion dollars. Now it's $15 trillion. That's right, it took us 235 years to accumulate $9 trillion in debt and Obama has added 2/3 of that in just 3 years. It's mind boggling to anyone who can add and subtract (that eliminates you, stupid).

How long was it that low? Are you still saying that it's not comparible to the previous three presidencies? I admit... I let you get under my skin with that absolute stupidity. Stupid is contagious... I'm all better now. You don't seem to be however.

Buddy... It's not my fault you don't know what the hell you are talking about when it comes to the Oil companies... Some of your information is right... Like about the stuff in this quoted paragraph. What's above it you are wrong. It's not my fault you are wrong. Don't blame me.

Even more back peddling! You're such an ignorant little liberal (which is redundant really - liberal = ignorant), that in the same sentence you actually say "you don't know what the hell you are talking about when it comes to oil companies" and then immediately say "some of your information is right". If "some of my information is right", then clearly I know at least some of what I'm talking about. Here's the thing - ALL of my information is right and can be independently verified by anyone who is not A.) a child (like you) and/or B.) too lazy to do a little researach (like you).

Are you still saying it's all Obama's fault? Like it wasn't bad the previous?

Edit: Please note... I am addressing your points. The real question is are you addressing mine?

I don't really feel the need to insult you. Keep that in mind when I say it's morbidly stupid. I actually think that. I'm not trying to insult you, I'm not trying to type you into submission... I really think it's a stupid stance.

 

[Full-Auto]

I never used gas prices against Obama, I think he has little control over the price, however the left blamed Bush for high gas prices. Now, left wing nuts are telling us different, they created the issue years ago, so I'll let it bite them in the ass now.

So... You know it's wrong to do... But you do it anyway? Brilliant. Why are you arguing again?

I will do it....and be in your face about it.

I just dont care for democrats of any persuasion...............

DEMOCRATS DESERVE NOTHING LESS.............

 

[Shelzin]

I never used gas prices against Obama, I think he has little control over the price, however the left blamed Bush for high gas prices. Now, left wing nuts are telling us different, they created the issue years ago, so I'll let it bite them in the ass now.

So... You know it's wrong to do... But you do it anyway? Brilliant. Why are you arguing again?

I will do it....and be in your face about it.

I just dont care for democrats of any persuasion...............

DEMOCRATS DESERVE NOTHING LESS.............

*shrugs* I'm more of a one on one type of asshole. I understand the hate between the two groups... But I don't think it actually makes anything better when hate takes the place of logical thinking.

Edit: With that said yes... I'm not perfect. But I do try.

 

[Papageorgio]

I never used gas prices against Obama, I think he has little control over the price, however the left blamed Bush for high gas prices. Now, left wing nuts are telling us different, they created the issue years ago, so I'll let it bite them in the ass now.

So... You know it's wrong to do... But you do it anyway? Brilliant. Why are you arguing again?

What part of I never used gas prices against Obama did you not understand?

I just don't do anything to dispel the BS, I was never able to convince anyone then, why start now?

 

[Papageorgio]

We my ass... I wasn't. I remember damn sure the price of crude was down, but the gas prices didn't go with it.

Edit: In fact during Bush's term I remember betting a friend of mine that the price of gas wouldn't go below 3.20 a gallon. I was wrong... It was 3.18 for two days.

Bullshit! According the site, Iowa and Des Moines pretty much mirrored the nation in the average, so you are either suffering from Alzheimer's or you are a partisan wingnut.

http://www.GasBuddy.com/gb_retail_p...oines&city3=IowaState&crude=n&tme=48&units=us

I'm two hours drive from Des Moines. There are more people in that city than there is within 30 mile radius from where I sit right now.

While I admit that my location likely has something to do with it... However it still does not warrant Mr. Monkeys bullshit stance that Obama was worse for gas than the last three presidencies.

That's my point... I agree that I went about it poorly. My badd.

It also included all of Iowa, I realize you live in a rural community, but I venture to guess it was under $2.00 a gallon in your town, you are just to stubborn to admit you screwed up. Again...your badd.

 

[P@triot]

A tax break isn't a financial aid supplied by a government, as to industry, for reasons of public welfare, the balance of payments, etc.?

No, it's not. Not at all. Why can't you just have an honest discussion? Why do you feel the need to twist everything? A subsidy is when government GIVES money to someone. That is a far cry from simply allowing someone to keep what they already have.

Furthermore, do you even know why the oil industry is granted tax these tax exemptions you wrongfully deem as "subsidies"? Because they are producing a product that is vital to the entire nation and that product is costly to locate and then harvest.

Further still, the one industry that actually does get subsidies is the baby of the left - the "green energy" industry. It has been an epic failure and receives free money from the government. Odd how you are not screaming about real subsidies, but are willing to falsely accuse another industry of subsidies.

*laughs*

Yeah, nervous laughter is a defense mechanism employed by many. Especially on the left for some odd reason (I suspect this is two fold - first it's a maturity thing and second when you're on the wrong side of the facts, you need to mask that and nervous laughter is a favorite).

You know how I troll trolls? I keep them talking.

Can honestly say I have no idea what this "troll" stuff is that everyone talks about on this board. This means nothing to me on any level.

Yeah... Practice what you preach. I try to, but I'm not perfect.

No sir, you are certainly not perfect. But kudos for at least acknowledging it. Most people won't do that.

How long was it that low? Are you still saying that it's not comparible to the previous three presidencies?

I can honestly say, I don't recall gas prices ever going above $2 and I know damn well it had never hit $3. If I'm mistaken on the $2, please provide me with a link to something reliable and I will acknowledge I was wrong on that. But even if it had hit $2 something, that's still a far cry from $3.70 or more.

Are you still saying it's all Obama's fault? Like it wasn't bad the previous?

It is absolutely Obama's fault. In fact, this is what he wanted. Don't take my word on it - while campaigning for president, he flat out said "under my plan, energy pricess would necessarily skyrocket". Word for word. Please, Google it and watch the video for yourself (that's right, he's on video saying that). The idea is, by causing energy pricess to skyrocket, people would be forced to switch to "green energy". When you ban off shore drilling and block the Keystone Pipeline, you are creating an energy shortage. A shortage causes prices to skyrocket (exactly like he wanted). It's basic supply and demand.

Was it good under GWB? No, I definitely wouldn't say "good". But it wasn't bad. Now, it's far beyond bad. It's damn near on the verge of collapse with $15+ trillion in debt, high unemployment, and rising energy prices.

I don't really feel the need to insult you. Keep that in mind when I say it's morbidly stupid. I actually think that. I'm not trying to insult you, I'm not trying to type you into submission... I really think it's a stupid stance.

That's fine - I have no problems with that. If you honest believe something is "morbidly stupid", I respect your right in America to have your own opinion. But you don't have a right to your own facts, and you falsely claimed the facts were not facts, when all of them can be very easily independently verified. What I posted were facts. Concrete numbers that cannot be disputed. If you want to discuss why those numbers are where they are or what policies are to blame, fine. But don't lie and claim they are not true.

 

[Shelzin]

Bullshit! According the site, Iowa and Des Moines pretty much mirrored the nation in the average, so you are either suffering from Alzheimer's or you are a partisan wingnut.

http://www.GasBuddy.com/gb_retail_p...oines&city3=IowaState&crude=n&tme=48&units=us

I'm two hours drive from Des Moines. There are more people in that city than there is within 30 mile radius from where I sit right now.

While I admit that my location likely has something to do with it... However it still does not warrant Mr. Monkeys bullshit stance that Obama was worse for gas than the last three presidencies.

That's my point... I agree that I went about it poorly. My badd.

It also included all of Iowa, I realize you live in a rural community, but I venture to guess it was under $2.00 a gallon in your town, you are just to stubborn to admit you screwed up. Again...your badd.

*shrugs* As you will.

 

[Lakhota]

The Blaze? Wow, only the serious retards eat that shit.

 

[Shelzin]

A tax break isn't a financial aid supplied by a government, as to industry, for reasons of public welfare, the balance of payments, etc.?

No, it's not. Not at all. Why can't you just have an honest discussion? Why do you feel the need to twist everything? A subsidy is when government GIVES money to someone. That is a far cry from simply allowing someone to keep what they already have.

I twisted absolutely nothing. You posted the definition, I quoted it word for word.

Furthermore, do you even know why the oil industry is granted tax these tax exemptions you wrongfully deem as "subsidies"? Because they are producing a product that is vital to the entire nation and that product is costly to locate and then harvest.

Sub.si.dy
1. (Economics) a financial aid supplied by a government, as to industry, for reasons of public welfare, the balance of payments, etc.

Further still, the one industry that actually does get subsidies is the baby of the left - the "green energy" industry. It has been an epic failure and receives free money from the government. Odd how you are not screaming about real subsidies, but are willing to falsely accuse another industry of subsidies.

Yeah... I don't agree with any of the subsidies. I apologize for trying to stay on subject of the thread. I didn't know you wanted to know everything about my views on the matter.

*laughs*

Yeah, nervous laughter is a defense mechanism employed by many. Especially on the left for some odd reason (I suspect this is two fold - first it's a maturity thing and second when you're on the wrong side of the facts, you need to mask that and nervous laughter is a favorite).

*laughs* Ok.

Can honestly say I have no idea what this "troll" stuff is that everyone talks about on this board. This means nothing to me on any level.

That's too bad.

No sir, you are certainly not perfect. But kudos for at least acknowledging it. Most people won't do that.

*shrugs* When I'm right I'm right... When I'm wrong... I'm wrong. Your post got an emotional response from me and I said things that hurt the very stance I was trying to make. Flat out stupid of me.

I can honestly say, I don't recall gas prices ever going above $2 and I know damn well it had never hit $3. If I'm mistaken on the $2, please provide me with a link to something reliable and I will acknowledge I was wrong on that. But even if it had hit $2 something, that's still a far cry from $3.70 or more.

Of the previous three presidencies? Dude... You can use your own link for that.

Of the last 96 months ( 8 years ) maybe 13 of them it was below $2 a gallon. From the Historical Gas Price Charts - GasBuddy.com

Obama has only been president for half of them. Prices still haven't gotten to where they were BEFORE he took the chair.

Don't get me wrong... Obama is a shit president for business. Any business. But to blame gas prices on him is wrong.

Are you still saying it's all Obama's fault? Like it wasn't bad the previous?

It is absolutely Obama's fault. In fact, this is what he wanted. Don't take my word on it - while campaigning for president, he flat out said "under my plan, energy pricess would necessarily skyrocket". Word for word. Please, Google it and watch the video for yourself (that's right, he's on video saying that).

Oh no... I know he said it. It's one of the things that I respected him for. He actually told the truth. However... He was using that in context with coal and what not. Since he was talking about electricity. He really doesn't have much to do with gas prices.

The idea is, by causing energy pricess to skyrocket, people would be forced to switch to "green energy". When you ban off shore drilling and block the Keystone Pipeline, you are creating an energy shortage. A shortage causes prices to skyrocket (exactly like he wanted). It's basic supply and demand.

Yes... that's true. But again, it wasn't really about what you put in your car, it was about how you put into your house. I don't know anyone that uses Petroleum as a way to viably get electricity on a daily bases that has access to the cheaper grid.

Was it good under GWB? No, I definitely wouldn't say "good". But it wasn't bad. Now, it's far beyond bad. It's damn near on the verge of collapse with $15+ trillion in debt, high unemployment, and rising energy prices.

Yeah... See... I won't argue against that because it's more or less true from my standpoint... However you are taking something separate from that, and injecting into that argument. Obama really has next to nothing to do with gas prices unless there is a war going on. Well.. a new one.

I don't really feel the need to insult you. Keep that in mind when I say it's morbidly stupid. I actually think that. I'm not trying to insult you, I'm not trying to type you into submission... I really think it's a stupid stance.

That's fine - I have no problems with that. If you honest believe something is "morbidly stupid", I respect your right in America to have your own opinion.

Shit... I might end up liking you.

But you don't have a right to your own facts, and you falsely claimed the facts were not facts, when all of them can be very easily independently verified. What I posted were facts. Concrete numbers that cannot be disputed. If you want to discuss why those numbers are where they are or what policies are to blame, fine. But don't lie and claim they are not true.

Truth, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder. Some people need glasses, or need to drink less beer.

Facts are true, how you are applying them to the argument is disingenuous. If the president was responsible obviously the record profits wouldn't be happening within that industry. That just doesn't make much sense does it?