7 to 8 Thousand Year Old Bog People In Florida Were 'White' European Says DNA

[USArmyRetired]

This is good news to hear. It shows that Whites were here long before the Indians which means the Real Americans were White and that blows the Native Americans claims out the water. It appears many of our ancestors practiced mummification, built pyramids, and were quite more advanced than other peoples at that time. Can't wait to see what the Indians will say to this

Read this about armies of Aryan White Men living in the western USA in ancient times:
Kennewick Man | Tri-City Herald : Mid-Columbia news

Special Report: A Battle Over Bones

NOVA | The Perfect Corpse | America's Bog People | PBS

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[xotoxi]

This is good news to hear. It shows that Whites were here long before the Indians which means the Real Americans were White and that blows the Native Americans claims out the water.

This IS good to hear!!!

GO WHITE PEOPLE!!!

 

[geauxtohell]

This is good news to hear. It shows that Whites were here long before the Indians which means the Real Americans were White and that blows the Native Americans claims out the water.

This IS good to hear!!!

GO WHITE PEOPLE!!!

Now we have a good excuse for those smallpox blankets!

 

[Madeline]

They have also discovered, at least so far, no biological affiliation between these early Floridians and modern Native American groups. They know this from studying DNA that survived within the corpses' brains and bones. "One can envision these folks as being ultimately ancestral to people in that area," Doran says. "But the DNA signatures that we can see certainly are not 1:1 matches for modern groups."

More work remains to be done, however. In fact, if there is one area of the investigation that has not yet borne fruit on a par with its other successes, it's the DNA work. "To tell you the truth, it's been very frustrating," Doran says. "The DNA in most archeological sites is just not as well preserved as we'd like, and we're kind of waiting, I think, for some of the DNA extraction and purification techniques to improve."

How did you get from this that the remains are those of Europeans?

 

[Charles_Main]

They have also discovered, at least so far, no biological affiliation between these early Floridians and modern Native American groups. They know this from studying DNA that survived within the corpses' brains and bones. "One can envision these folks as being ultimately ancestral to people in that area," Doran says. "But the DNA signatures that we can see certainly are not 1:1 matches for modern groups."

More work remains to be done, however. In fact, if there is one area of the investigation that has not yet borne fruit on a par with its other successes, it's the DNA work. "To tell you the truth, it's been very frustrating," Doran says. "The DNA in most archeological sites is just not as well preserved as we'd like, and we're kind of waiting, I think, for some of the DNA extraction and purification techniques to improve."

How did you get from this that the remains are those of Europeans?

I would assume he is focusing on this

Later that month, anthropologist Grover S. Krantz of Washington State University examined the bones. The skeleton "cannot be anatomically assigned to any existing tribe in the area, nor even to the western native American type in general," he wrote to Chatters on September 2. "It shows some traits that are more commonly encountered in material from the eastern United States or even of European origin, while certain other diagnostic traits cannot presently be determined."

 

[xotoxi]

They have also discovered, at least so far, no biological affiliation between these early Floridians and modern Native American groups. They know this from studying DNA that survived within the corpses' brains and bones. "One can envision these folks as being ultimately ancestral to people in that area," Doran says. "But the DNA signatures that we can see certainly are not 1:1 matches for modern groups."

More work remains to be done, however. In fact, if there is one area of the investigation that has not yet borne fruit on a par with its other successes, it's the DNA work. "To tell you the truth, it's been very frustrating," Doran says. "The DNA in most archeological sites is just not as well preserved as we'd like, and we're kind of waiting, I think, for some of the DNA extraction and purification techniques to improve."

How did you get from this that the remains are those of Europeans?

DON'T QUESTION IT!!!

They were white! LILY WHITE!

Be proud of your long dead white Floridian heritage!

 

[Blagger]

Was I alone in thinking when seeing the words 'Bog People', that this thread was announcing the presence of Irishmen in prehistoric Florida?

 

[Baruch Menachem]

I kind ouf doubt this and also kind of have to agree with it. there have been arguments about this back and forth for a long time.

First the problem with the DNA thing is, Humanity outside of Africa seems to have come from a very small population. there is a very small level of diversity in DNA of all groups outside of Africa. There is less genetic diversity between an Englishman and and japanese than there is between an african from Nigeria and and african from Angola. It is like when Humans colonized the rest of the world outside of Sub Saharan africa, they were from a very small part of the African population. Since the level of diversity in DNA from Non african stocks is so minute, it is really hard to tell.


The next problem is that when Humans colonized the Americas during the last ice age, we don't know if there were there two migrations heading in from Europe and Asia both, or only one from Asia. Only from Asia has the advantage of a land bridge, but it was bitterly cold and very narrow.

From both directions requires sailing across the north atlantic for long distances, which while conceivable, is unlikely. The distances traveled by boat would be a lot shorter than now, of course. Even so that kind of sailing in the north atlantic durning an ice age seems impossible. Even though humans sailed over the south pacific for even longer distances to colonize new places the idea of sailing long distances in the North Atlantic is a different kettle of herring. Humans have done all kind of impossible stuff during their migrations, so sailing the North Atlantic in the summer from landfall to landfall is not impossible.

Early european settlers noted that the east coast indians did seem to have a german style grammar.

It may have happend that the ones coming in from the west may have arrived at the same time and that natural conditions favored the mixing of the populations to have yet another skin color and another morphological norm. And the ones from Asia may just have been culturally or in some other way a better fit for the new environment. The European ones may have been competed out. The fact that our ancient cousins lost the genetic supremacy battle is not a reason to crow.

 

[zzzz]

All I have to say is the native American Indians must have kicked their ass since they were nowhere to be found. I don't know that that is to be celebrated!

 

[bodecea]

Can you just imagine the OP being so very very excited about early Americans being WHITE as opposed to anything else? WHITE do you hear! WHITE!!!!!

 

[Avatar4321]

Did you ever stop to consider that maybe the "White" European were actually the descendants of 7-8 thousand year old bog people?

As if their skin color or race really matters anyway.

 

[USArmyRetired]

Can you just imagine the OP being so very very excited about early Americans being WHITE as opposed to anything else? WHITE do you hear! WHITE!!!!!

What is wrong with being proud of your race and it's vast achievements?

 

[Blagger]

Nothing.

 

[xotoxi]

Did you ever stop to consider that maybe the "White" European were actually the descendants of 7-8 thousand year old bog people?

As if their skin color or race really matters anyway.

The white race was formed in Florida, as white fish in Lake Okeechobee sprouted legs and walked out of the water. Then, they fashioned boats out of logs and they all left Florida for Europe.

 

[Ravi]

Can you just imagine the OP being so very very excited about early Americans being WHITE as opposed to anything else? WHITE do you hear! WHITE!!!!!

What is wrong with being proud of your race and it's vast achievements?

Nothing. But it is pretty pathetic when you have to lie about it to yourself and the world at large.

Your OP is bogus and so are you.

 

[Mr Natural]

Can you just imagine the OP being so very very excited about early Americans being WHITE as opposed to anything else? WHITE do you hear! WHITE!!!!!

What is wrong with being proud of your race and it's vast achievements?

Because pride is something that should be reserved for personal accomplishments.

 

[AllieBaba]

It's bad if you're white, RGS. White Christians are not to celebrate their race, ethnicity or culture. Evah.

 

[xotoxi]

Can you just imagine the OP being so very very excited about early Americans being WHITE as opposed to anything else? WHITE do you hear! WHITE!!!!!

What is wrong with being proud of your race and it's vast achievements?

Because pride is something that should be reserved for personal accomplishments.

Good point.

This guy likely has nothing to be proud of:

...except for his very stylish mullet.

 

[USArmyRetired]

Can you just imagine the OP being so very very excited about early Americans being WHITE as opposed to anything else? WHITE do you hear! WHITE!!!!!

What is wrong with being proud of your race and it's vast achievements?

Because pride is something that should be reserved for personal accomplishments.

But most of accomplishments came from White people.

 

[American Horse]

This is a part of Florida my wife and I visit annually. We have often asked ourselves how anyone, particularly the native Americans could've survived there with the kind of wet terrain, flora and fauna (jungle-like undergrowth, wild pigs, alligators) that are abundant and ubiquitous, there even today. I hope to take a look at the location when we return - It's near Titusville.

from the link:

These early Floridians, it seems, resided in a kind of sedentary hunter-gatherer-fisher community. The sheer number of burials showed that these people were not constantly on the move, as hunter-gatherers typically are. Analysis of organic remains in the bog revealed a rich surrounding ecosystem, which offered plentiful resources and allowed them to stay put for a time. Paleobotanists have identified 30 species of trees that existed around Windover. These include those typical of hardwood hammock (live oak, ash, American elm, red mulberry) and freshwater swamp (black gum, swamp dogwood, willow) as well as pine woodland.

These humid subtropical forests, which closely resemble forests in the area today, offered up more than 30 species of edible and/or medicinal plants. Berries and other soft fruits appear to have made up a large part of their diet. In one woman's stomach—or at least where her stomach had once been—the researchers discovered high concentrations of elderberry, nightshade, and holly. They speculate she may have been consuming copious amounts of a medicinal concoction made from these plants to fight the illness that eventually took her life.

Other signs of a reasonably stable life appeared. Unlike many bog bodies in Europe, these skeletons showed few signs of having met violent ends. Windover was not a dumping ground for criminals but a community cemetery. The persons buried in the pond were almost exactly half male, half female, and while experts believe half of them were younger than 20 when they died, they think the rate of subadult mortality here was lower than that found in later, more complex societies. Moreover, some of the Windover folk lived into their 70s, a ripe old age for that time.