6th graders find Al Gore wrong on global warming

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    A sixth grade class held a "trial", in which advocates for each side presented evidence supporting their side, to a "jury". The jury voted 7-4 that global warming, if it exists, was not caused by humans.

    I wonder if anyone on this board coudl present (and support) facts that would change their minds. Or have they already heard them, and decided as they did anyway?

    Get ready for the "Aw, they had their minds made up beforehand even though we can't cite any evidence of it" argument from the usual fanatics.

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    http://www.longmontfyi.com/Local-Story.asp?ID=15357

    Global warming on trial
    Sixth-graders decide that humans aren’t to blame

    By Ben Ready
    The Daily Times-Call

    LONGMONT — Humans don’t cause global warming, a jury of sixth graders at Trail Ridge Middle School concluded Thursday after hearing opposing arguments from their peers.

    “They’re pretty young for this kind of thinking. They did great,” paleontology teacher Ken Poppe said after the 40-minute “trial” in his classroom

    With Earth’s warming accepted as a tenet, pre-teen “lawyers” and “scientists” debated whether humans have caused it.

    Eleven jurors listened intently as prosecutors and defendants flashed contradictory graphs tracking global temperatures, carbon dioxide levels, polar ice cap statistics, volcanic activity and sea surface temperatures — all of which were found Wednesday in the school’s computer lab.

    “The earth has warmed and cooled over many years. If it’s caused by CO2, why haven’t the charts shot up?” Poppe’s son and lead prosecutor Caleb argued during a rebuttal.

    In a climax that sent half the class to its feet and forced the judge to call for order, opponent Monique Nem slapped a contradictory graph onto the prosecution’s table.

    “We’ve proven you wrong! The CO2 levels have shot up,” she said.

    The jury responded more warmly, however, to Caleb Poppe’s response: The graphic cited a Hawaiian source; Hawaii has volcanoes; volcanoes emit CO2.

    In closing arguments, Alexia Hegy said global temperatures actually decreased in the 1960’s, while the global population rose. Humans cannot be at fault, she concluded.

    With the final word, defense attorney Sarah Steed countered: “It all comes back to us, the people — not the sun, not the weather. We need to turn off lights when we don’t need them. Bikes can work. The environment can be richer.”

    Seven of 11 jurors decided humans are not to blame, but everyone agreed classroom debates make for fun learning.

    “It was a hard decision, because both sides made good points,” said student Samantha Roberts.

    Ken Poppe said he let students choose which side of the debate to argue. Poppe personally believes global warming is cyclical and not affected by humans, while his Colorado State University student aide David Richards believes the opposite. Both, however, said they presented both sides equally to the students leading up to Thursday’s debate.

    “What I think is not the issue. It’s what the students dig up and how they present the case,” Poppe said.

    Only one parent questioned Poppe’s decision to hold a global warming debate. That mother expected him to present Al Gore’s global warming movie “An Inconvenient Truth” as indisputable facts, Poppe said. After he explained his neutrality in the classroom, the mom allowed her child to participate in the debate, he said.

    “You don’t understand someone’s position until you can argue it to their satisfaction,” Poppe said, quoting a famous physicist. “I don’t believe in Darwinism either, but I can argue it as well as any Darwinist.”

    Ben Ready can be reached at 303-684-5326, or by e-mail at bready@times-call.com.
     
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    yeah...we should let grade school kids set environmental policy.

    that makes sense....

    oh wait...we've effectively been doing that for nearly seven years!
     
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    The kids have applied a more valid approach to scientific inquiry than have the "Debate Is Overists".
     
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    in your humble opinion.

    noted.
     
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    And unrefuted by the resident slimers.

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    I need to refute the results of a grade school kangaroo court?

    I think not. I will readily admit that there are some people who think that global warming is a myth...I will also admit that there are those who feel that the idea that humanity is unduly hastening it is also a myth.

    I happen to think otherwise. the debate rages on.... the overwhelmingly VAST majority of the world's scientific community just so happens to side with me, however.

    But you have the sixth graders at trail ridge middle school on YOUR side.

    good for you.
     
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    Your right about the majority of scientists who side with you. Statistically, most professors, climatologist, astro physisists and engineers, Overwhelmingly agree that anthropogenic global warming does exist.

    And the 6th grader bit, I think it was a waste of time. 6th Graders may be smarter than bush, but they really cant form opinions of there own, teachers can brainwash a child that young if your not carefull, bias teaching is suppose to be for college only, not grade-school. So when you say these children were presented the facts and decided on thier own, its hard to believe that considering you would have to understand the science behind it (we have been studying climate for more than a century), they would have to be able to work a computer without going to disney online, and you would also have to expose these children to decades of research while explaining to them why we dont have the technology to actually prove that anthropogenic global warming does or does not exist.
     
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    Nope. You can go on ignoring the facts as you've been doing throughout this thread. We don't mind, or really care what you do one way or another.

    But the conclusion remains unrefuted. Global warming is unaffected by man.
     
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    As i said 5 minutes ago, Anthropogenic Global Warming is neither proven or unproven, how can you say you have legitimate facts that it does not exist, when scientists dont even have these facts. All we have is research and patterns that lead us to believe that AGW does exist. And within 10 years we will have the technology and you will find out that Man can effect climate change. If we can tear open a hole in the ozone, i dont see why man made C02 and green house emissions, can not trap radiation from the sun, in the atmosphere. It is not impossible, like say going backwards in time, thats impossible.
     

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