64% Say Tax the Rich!

[Vanquish]

No...what's disgusting is that BOTH SIDES need to stop...and people won't stop pointing fingers at each other.

Cut spending AND raise taxes. We all voted in the bums (or failed to vote out the bums) who did this...so we all own it.

BOTH!!! BOTH need to be done. Get that through your skull.

 

[teapartysamurai]

Who is going after "ALL" of anyone's earnings? When, in our history, have we ever gone to war and NOT raised taxes? Can you find an instance? Have fun looking, but I'll save you some time. It hasn't happened...until now. We are currently engaged on TWO FRONTS in wars that are not paid for. We cannot keep up this pace and NOT raise taxes. Our deficits are LARGELY the result of two wars and the Bush tax cuts. If you are serious about decreasing the debt and deficit of our country, then raising taxes has to be part of the conversation (as well as cutting military spending).

Oh jeezze, CUTTING BACK ON THE GUBERMENT is NEVER a frikken solution with you lefties. It's ALWAYS suck more out of the little people, and you all PRENTED TO CARE for the little guy.
WE THE LITTLE PEOPLE PAY ENOUGH IN TAXES.

Okay, whatcha gonna cut big fella? Our military is something like six times bigger than any other country's military. I don't see the GnOP offering to cut our ridiculous military spending, do you? You righties aren't serious about the debt and deficits because you completely ignored it for the last eight years. Our debt and deficit is the direct result of two things...Bush's tax cuts and the two wars that aren't paid for, but keep talking about cutting Grandma's health care....it's REALLY gonna serve ya'll well in 2012.

Sweetheart, if you looked at how much the government spends on socialism vs. what we spend on the military????

We spent more on the war on poverty than we spent on all the wars in the 20th century.

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Entitlement Spending Chart in United States 1996-2016 - Federal State Local​

Sweeheart, look at which chart reveals more spending! It's the entitlement spending chart!
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We spend WAY more on social spending than we EVER spend on the military.
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Can we cut the military? Sure! I'm sure there is some waste that can go. But focusing ONLY on the military would be like a wife who spends gobs of money on clothes and jewelry telling her husband that maybe they could save money by cutting some waste out of the grocery bill. IT'S KIND OF BESIDE THE POINT!​

 

[teapartysamurai]

What a bunch of scummy people who would voted for this. not that I believe anything the McClatchy polls.

class warfare at it's finest.

If it's class warfare to increase taxes on billionaires, was it not also class warefare when their taxes were reduced?

I guess my question here is this..

Aren't all tax laws basically a form of class warfare?

Every one seem effects different classes differently, true?

Is it going to require the Second Great(er) Depression to convince enough Americans that all governments socialize cost and privatize profit for the benefit of their wealthiest citizens?

Funny, since that was the attitude that CAUSED the great depression and made it last as long as it did. See the Smoot/Hawley tarrif tax and FDR's New Deal.

 

[teapartysamurai]

Would you be REALLY shocked if the government does not raise the debt ceiling?

"By 69-24 percent, voters oppose raising the legal ceiling for debt."

Poll: Best Way to Fight Deficits: Raise Taxes on the Rich | Common Dreams

That shows me that voters have no real idea what the debt ceiling is. Its also proof that just because something is popular doesnt mean it is right.

The line from Dumbledore sums it up pretty good, "Soon we will all have a choice between what is right, and what is easy. "

That sounds like a choice about Empire.

"The Empire rips up the Constitution and takes the reserve army of the young unemployed to kill and die in aggressive wars of the White House’s choice, with Congress watching from the sidelines; its only role to funnel trillions of tax dollars into the insatiable war machine’s unauditable budgets.

"President Eisenhower wanted us to control the 'military-industrial complex'. Instead it grew much more out of control. Eisenhower’s grave warning as expressed in his farewell address in 1961 was prescient."

Waiting for the Spark | Common Dreams

More Common Dreams.

It's a communist website!

 

[teapartysamurai]

A national McClatchy-Marist poll shows a 64% to 33% spread in favor of increasing taxes on incomes above $250,000 instead of slashing Medicare and Medicaid.

"At the same time, they say that the government should not raise the legal debt ceiling, which the government must do soon to borrow more money, despite warnings that failing to do so would force the government into default, credit markets into turmoil and the economy into a tailspin."

"By 69-24 percent, voters oppose raising the legal ceiling for debt. That includes Democrats, who oppose it by 53-36 percent, independents, who oppose it by 74-22 percent, and Republicans, who oppose it by 79-16 percent."

Views on cutting defense spending are more mixed. While voters oppose cuts to Medicare and Medicaid by 80-18 percent only 44% support cutting the Pentagon with 54% opposed.

"Other findings:

* Only 44 percent of voters approve of Obama's job performance, while 49 percent disapprove. That was down from 48 percent approval in January, and marked the 17th straight month that his approval has been below 50 percent;
* Only 34 percent of voters approve, and 61 percent disapprove, of the way he's handling the budget deficit, projected to total about $1.6 trillion this year;
* Only 30 percent approve of the way Republicans in Congress are doing their job, while 63 percent disapprove."

Poll: Best Way to Fight Deficits: Raise Taxes on the Rich | Common Dreams

Just to keep it real in here........"Common Dreams" is a hyper-left partisan website frequently referenced by hard left k00ks. Might as well be posting up a link from the DailyKos.

Only dolts think you solve the debt problem simply by taxing the wealthy. You'd still have an uber debt problem.

The motivation by the class warfare nutballs is always the same: jealousy, misery, inability to accept responsibility for personal decision fcukk ups., etc..........its always about fcukking the successful guys for these types, no matter what the cost. Virtually ALL economists concur: You go progressive with taxes now, its madness given the fragile ecomomy.

Virtually all economists agree you can't shrink your way out of a recession. If the private sector prefers to buy back its stock with trillion$ of profits, only government is capable of supplying demand.

Oh, because YOU and Common Dreams says so?

 

[teapartysamurai]

A national McClatchy-Marist poll shows a 64% to 33% spread in favor of increasing taxes on incomes above $250,000 instead of slashing Medicare and Medicaid.

"At the same time, they say that the government should not raise the legal debt ceiling, which the government must do soon to borrow more money, despite warnings that failing to do so would force the government into default, credit markets into turmoil and the economy into a tailspin."

"By 69-24 percent, voters oppose raising the legal ceiling for debt. That includes Democrats, who oppose it by 53-36 percent, independents, who oppose it by 74-22 percent, and Republicans, who oppose it by 79-16 percent."

Views on cutting defense spending are more mixed. While voters oppose cuts to Medicare and Medicaid by 80-18 percent only 44% support cutting the Pentagon with 54% opposed.

"Other findings:

* Only 44 percent of voters approve of Obama's job performance, while 49 percent disapprove. That was down from 48 percent approval in January, and marked the 17th straight month that his approval has been below 50 percent;
* Only 34 percent of voters approve, and 61 percent disapprove, of the way he's handling the budget deficit, projected to total about $1.6 trillion this year;
* Only 30 percent approve of the way Republicans in Congress are doing their job, while 63 percent disapprove."

Poll: Best Way to Fight Deficits: Raise Taxes on the Rich | Common Dreams

BWAHAHAHAHAA!

A poll from Common Dreams????

Are you aware that Common Dreams is a COMMUNIST WEBSITE??????????

Are you aware you discredit yourself AUTOMATICALLY when you use Common Dreams as a source??????

That's what Porky Limbaugh says, huh?​

What a surprise that Sha-liberal reads common dreams too!

 

[teapartysamurai]

A national McClatchy-Marist poll shows a 64% to 33% spread in favor of increasing taxes on incomes above $250,000 instead of slashing Medicare and Medicaid.

"At the same time, they say that the government should not raise the legal debt ceiling, which the government must do soon to borrow more money, despite warnings that failing to do so would force the government into default, credit markets into turmoil and the economy into a tailspin."

"By 69-24 percent, voters oppose raising the legal ceiling for debt. That includes Democrats, who oppose it by 53-36 percent, independents, who oppose it by 74-22 percent, and Republicans, who oppose it by 79-16 percent."

Views on cutting defense spending are more mixed. While voters oppose cuts to Medicare and Medicaid by 80-18 percent only 44% support cutting the Pentagon with 54% opposed.

"Other findings:

* Only 44 percent of voters approve of Obama's job performance, while 49 percent disapprove. That was down from 48 percent approval in January, and marked the 17th straight month that his approval has been below 50 percent;
* Only 34 percent of voters approve, and 61 percent disapprove, of the way he's handling the budget deficit, projected to total about $1.6 trillion this year;
* Only 30 percent approve of the way Republicans in Congress are doing their job, while 63 percent disapprove."

Poll: Best Way to Fight Deficits: Raise Taxes on the Rich | Common Dreams

Just to keep it real in here........"Common Dreams" is a hyper-left partisan website frequently referenced by hard left k00ks. Might as well be posting up a link from the DailyKos.

Only dolts think you solve the debt problem simply by taxing the wealthy. You'd still have an uber debt problem.

The motivation by the class warfare nutballs is always the same: jealousy, misery, inability to accept responsibility for personal decision fcukk ups., etc..........its always about fcukking the successful guys for these types, no matter what the cost. Virtually ALL economists concur: You go progressive with taxes now, its madness given the fragile ecomomy.

"Underlying it all, Americans are in a pessimistic mood. Fewer than one in three — 32 percent of registered voters — think the country's headed in the right direction, while 63 percent think it's headed in the wrong direction.

Among all adults, including non-voters, the tally is 31-64 percent, the poorest since November 2007 at the onset of the Great Recession."

Poll: Best Way to Fight Deficits: Raise Taxes on the Rich | Common Dreams

Does it matter if Communists believe this too?

George you looked at your rep lately?

You think it might have something to do with your website sources?

The sad part is, he still doesn't get we are laughing at his use of common dreams.

 

[teapartysamurai]

Would you be REALLY shocked if the government does not raise the debt ceiling?

"By 69-24 percent, voters oppose raising the legal ceiling for debt."

Poll: Best Way to Fight Deficits: Raise Taxes on the Rich | Common Dreams

BWAHAHAHAHA!

Another "poll" from Common Dreams.

IT'S A COMMUNIST WEBSITE.

Idiots have been using that website since I've been debating politics. We always laughed in their faces when they used that website.

Common Dreams has been pushing their BS, since the 90s, when they couldn't get over their darling Soviet Union falling.

So you're admitting to being too stupid/ignorant/lazy to be able to refute communist propaganda?

What good are you?

Thank you for admitting it's a communist website!

I think we see who's too stupid to find evidence sources OTHER than common dreams.

 

[teapartysamurai]

good then do it, and when "the people" want to come after YOUR ALL'S earnings, I say GO FOR IT.

Who is going after "ALL" of anyone's earnings? When, in our history, have we ever gone to war and NOT raised taxes? Can you find an instance? Have fun looking, but I'll save you some time. It hasn't happened...until now. We are currently engaged on TWO FRONTS in wars that are not paid for. We cannot keep up this pace and NOT raise taxes. Our deficits are LARGELY the result of two wars and the Bush tax cuts. If you are serious about decreasing the debt and deficit of our country, then raising taxes has to be part of the conversation (as well as cutting military spending).

These "wars" are not comparable.
They only eat up about 3% of the budget whereas WWII took up 50%

Also what is sense of raising taxes on those who already get around paying the full amount?
Better to do what Ryan and Obama's own commission, which he ignored, suggested.
Cut rates across the board and remove the loopholes.
Wouldn't it be better to have 100% of 28% than 50% of 38%? Or 0 of 38% in the case of the large corporations.

And the numbers bear out what you are saying:

US Federal Deficit As Percent Of GDP

2001 -1.25
2002 1.48
2003 3.39
2004 3.48
2005 2.52
2006 1.85
2007 1.14
2008 3.18
2009 9.91
2010 10.64

US Federal Deficit as percent of GDP - Charts Tables History

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Entitlement Spending Chart in United States 1996-2016 - Federal State Local

Fact of the matter is, we spend FAR more on socialism than we EVER did on military spending. Don't try to tell that to a liberal. They are convinced the "military industrial complex" is our big problem. Facts will not permeate their non minds.

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[teapartysamurai]

Just to keep it real in here........"Common Dreams" is a hyper-left partisan website frequently referenced by hard left k00ks. Might as well be posting up a link from the DailyKos.

Good post.

You could take every dime from every "evil" rich person out there and it wouldn't make a dent it whats owed.

I agree on raising taxes at this time as well is ridiculous.

Maybe you need to spend a little-more-time on managing your allowance, before you tackle any adult-subjects.....​

December 22, 2009​

"The curious may want to know why the Bush tax cuts are set to expire in the first place. After all, if then-President George W. Bush and Congress thought they were a good idea when they passed them in the early 2000s, why make them temporary?

The answer is that President Bush and a complicit Congress didn’t want to show the magnitude of the deficits that would result from their tax cuts. To hide those deficits as they were pushing them through they used a variety of accounting tricks. One of those tricks was attaching expiration dates so that, on paper, there wouldn’t be any long-term costs. This made the long-term deficit picture look fairly rosy on paper even as it doomed Bush’s successor and the current Congress to cleaning up the mess.

In fairness, Bush and his supply-side crowd believe with a zealot’s fervor that tax cuts spur such economic growth that future deficits never happen. Over history there are trillion$ of dollars of debt that prove them wrong."

The Teabaggers' Lament​

Liberals lie, but the numbers don't lie:

And the numbers bear out what you are saying:

US Federal Deficit As Percent Of GDP

2001 -1.25
2002 1.48
2003 3.39
2004 3.48
2005 2.52
2006 1.85
2007 1.14
2008 3.18
2009 9.91
2010 10.64

US Federal Deficit as percent of GDP - Charts Tables History

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Entitlement Spending Chart in United States 1996-2016 - Federal State Local

Fact of the matter is, we spend FAR more on socialism than we EVER did on military spending. Don't try to tell that to a liberal. They are convinced the "military industrial complex" is our big problem. Facts will not permeate their non minds.​

 

[Missourian]

You have discovered one of the major drawbacks with western democracy.

People are all for voting themselves something for nothing then voting to tax someone else to pay for it.

 

[Avorysuds]

This poll shows the same results as a number of recent polls and all people can do is disparage the poll? Increasing taxes for millionaires is what people want. Why is that so difficult to understand?

They want higher taxes on the rich because A: it's not them and B: because Democrats sell it as a way to put a handle on the Deficit. If these voters polled saw how the raising of rich peoples taxes would not even cover (there is a point there before the 1)----> .1% of the current increasing deficit and other options were layed out before them showing HUGE 10% + fixes to the rising deficit, tax raising would be off the table.

What sucks is that both parties have misrepresented a pretty simple problem to fix with tricks and gimmicks and many “voters” buy into these lies… Notice neither *fix* has shit to do with giving up power or money that the Government has, they ask for more.

 

[teapartysamurai]

Good post.

You could take every dime from every "evil" rich person out there and it wouldn't make a dent it whats owed.

I agree on raising taxes at this time as well is ridiculous.

Maybe you need to spend a little-more-time on managing your allowance, before you tackle any adult-subjects.....​

December 22, 2009​

"The curious may want to know why the Bush tax cuts are set to expire in the first place. After all, if then-President George W. Bush and Congress thought they were a good idea when they passed them in the early 2000s, why make them temporary?

The answer is that President Bush and a complicit Congress didn’t want to show the magnitude of the deficits that would result from their tax cuts. To hide those deficits as they were pushing them through they used a variety of accounting tricks. One of those tricks was attaching expiration dates so that, on paper, there wouldn’t be any long-term costs. This made the long-term deficit picture look fairly rosy on paper even as it doomed Bush’s successor and the current Congress to cleaning up the mess.

In fairness, Bush and his supply-side crowd believe with a zealot’s fervor that tax cuts spur such economic growth that future deficits never happen. Over history there are trillion$ of dollars of debt that prove them wrong."

The Teabaggers' Lament​

Well shit for brains since my house is payed for. The two cars sitting in my yard are payed for and I don't owe anyone a dime. I think I handle my allowance quite well thanks.

As for adults, one has to wonder bout you shitola.

We always made sure the only thing we owed on was the house or the cars (and the cars are paid off now). Everything else, we don't buy on credit, we buy cash!

 

[teapartysamurai]

You have discovered one of the major drawbacks with western democracy.

People are all for voting themselves something for nothing then voting to tax someone else to pay for it.

And that's what it boils down to. These liberals want someone else to pay for their excesses.

 

[RDD_1210]

What's the best way to get in shape and lose weight? Do you Diet? Or do you exercise? Doing either by itself could get you the results you desire in time with a lot of effort but doing both together is the fastest, most efficient way of reaching your goal.

Our budget and the deficit are no different.

 

[teapartysamurai]

What's the best way to get in shape and lose weight? Do you Diet? Or do you exercise? Doing either by itself could get you the results you desire in time with a lot of effort but doing both together is the fastest, most efficient way of reaching your goal.

Our budget and the deficit are no different.

Exactly how do we "exercise" on a budget?

 

[Claudette]

Maybe you need to spend a little-more-time on managing your allowance, before you tackle any adult-subjects.....​

Well shit for brains since my house is payed for. The two cars sitting in my yard are payed for and I don't owe anyone a dime. I think I handle my allowance quite well thanks.

As for adults, one has to wonder bout you shitola.

We always made sure the only thing we owed on was the house or the cars (and the cars are paid off now). Everything else, we don't buy on credit, we buy cash!

Yup The only way to fly. The only credit card I have is the one on my debit card. Cash baby all the way.

 

[RDD_1210]

What's the best way to get in shape and lose weight? Do you Diet? Or do you exercise? Doing either by itself could get you the results you desire in time with a lot of effort but doing both together is the fastest, most efficient way of reaching your goal.

Our budget and the deficit are no different.

Exactly how do we "exercise" on a budget?

We can either diet only (cut spending)
We can exercise only (raise taxes)

Or we can diet and exercise (cut spending & raise taxes) to fix our problem that much faster and more efficiently.

 

[Missourian]

No...what's disgusting is that BOTH SIDES need to stop...and people won't stop pointing fingers at each other.

Cut spending AND raise taxes. We all voted in the bums (or failed to vote out the bums) who did this...so we all own it.

BOTH!!! BOTH need to be done. Get that through your skull.

Then let's institute a VAT tax that can only be used to pay down the debt as part of a balanced budget amendment to make sure nothing is added to the debt.

When the debt is paid, the VAT sunsets.

Everybody pays a share.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/139425-ok-i-have-a-plan-to-reduce-the-deficit.html


If we simply raise taxes, the politicians will just spend it.

 

[teapartysamurai]

What's the best way to get in shape and lose weight? Do you Diet? Or do you exercise? Doing either by itself could get you the results you desire in time with a lot of effort but doing both together is the fastest, most efficient way of reaching your goal.

Our budget and the deficit are no different.

Exactly how do we "exercise" on a budget?

We can either diet only (cut spending)
We can exercise only (raise taxes)

Or we can diet and exercise (cut spending & raise taxes) to fix our problem that much faster and more efficiently.

Exercising is raising taxes?????????

Helloooooooooooooo! The analogy to dieting would be raising taxes is EATING MORE!

Exercising would be USING WHAT YOU ATE TO EXPEND ENERGY.

The proper analogy to a budget would be spending the money MORE EFFICIENTLY.

THERE IS NO JUSTIFIABLE REASON TO RAISE TAXES if you cut spending. The ONLY reason is if liberals are LYING ABOUT CUTTING SPENDING, and are simply hoping to fool voters.

So you claim you are going to cut spending, raise the taxes, and then go right on with the obama spending spree. The very spree he has been on since 2009.

And now we are supposed to believe Obama wants to cut spending?

ROFL!