64% Say Tax the Rich!

[Vanquish]

What a bunch of scummy people who would voted for this. not that I believe anything the McClatchy polls.

class warfare at it's finest.

must of been all Liberals.

Would you agree with this?

"Underlying it all, Americans are in a pessimistic mood. Fewer than one in three — 32 percent of registered voters — think the country's headed in the right direction, while 63 percent think it's headed in the wrong direction.

"Among all adults, including non-voters, the tally is 31-64 percent, the poorest since November 2007 at the onset of the Great Recession.

"'We're going through a period of partisan bickering in Washington, lots of posturing and an economy that has not taken hold the way people want,' said Lee Miringoff, director of the Marist Institute for Public Opinion at Marist College in New York, which conducted the poll."

"METHODOLOGY

"This survey of 1,274 adults was conducted on April 10-14. Adults 18 years of age and older residing in the continental United States were interviewed by telephone. Telephone numbers were selected based upon a list of telephone exchanges from throughout the nation. The exchanges were selected to ensure that each region was represented in proportion to its population. To increase coverage, this land-line sample was supplemented by respondents reached through random dialing of cell phone numbers. The two samples were then combined.

"Results are statistically significant within �3.0 percentage points. There are 1,084 registered voters. The results for this subset are statistically significant within �3.0 percentage points.

"There are 551 registered voters who completed the survey before President Obama's April 13th speech and 470 registered voters who completed the survey after his speech. The results for these subsets are statistically significant within �4.5 percentage points. The error margin increases for cross-tabulations."

Poll: Best Way to Fight Deficits: Raise Taxes on the Rich | Common Dreams

Methodology is a made up word that people use nowadays...but that really is a bastardization. We discussed it in my Linguistics class back in 1991. It irked the teacher...and now it irks me every time I see it.

Sorry that's all I'm adding to this conversation.

 

[georgephillip]

What a bunch of scummy people who would voted for this. not that I believe anything the McClatchy polls.

class warfare at it's finest.

If it's class warfare to increase taxes on billionaires, was it not also class warefare when their taxes were reduced?

I guess my question here is this..

Aren't all tax laws basically a form of class warfare?

Every one seem effects different classes differently, true?

Is it going to require the Second Great(er) Depression to convince enough Americans that all governments socialize cost and privatize profit for the benefit of their wealthiest citizens?

 

[martybegan]

This poll shows the same results as a number of recent polls and all people can do is disparage the poll? Increasing taxes for millionaires is what people want. Why is that so difficult to understand?

good then do it, and when "the people" want to come after YOUR ALL'S earnings, I say GO FOR IT.

Who is going after "ALL" of anyone's earnings? When, in our history, have we ever gone to war and NOT raised taxes? Can you find an instance? Have fun looking, but I'll save you some time. It hasn't happened...until now. We are currently engaged on TWO FRONTS in wars that are not paid for. We cannot keep up this pace and NOT raise taxes. Our deficits are LARGELY the result of two wars and the Bush tax cuts. If you are serious about decreasing the debt and deficit of our country, then raising taxes has to be part of the conversation (as well as cutting military spending).

You can't assign specific items in the budget to be the ones that "caused" the deficit. It basically then becomes "the things I don't like caused the deficit". The only thing that causes a deficit is spending more money than you take in. The only way to fix it is to spend the same amount of money you make. The only way to get rid of debt is to spend less money than you make.

The argument is how to get to the point, and everyone of course can agree on taxing someone else, and cutting programs they dont like to fix the issue.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

What a bunch of scummy people who would voted for this. not that I believe anything the McClatchy polls.

class warfare at it's finest.

must of been all Liberals.

Yeah.....let's just pretend it never happened, before.

St. Bill's Economic Miracle!!

 

[georgephillip]

I'm shocked, totally shocked I tell you, that you can find a poll where people agree that raising taxes on someone else is OK.

Would you be REALLY shocked if the government does not raise the debt ceiling?

"By 69-24 percent, voters oppose raising the legal ceiling for debt."

Poll: Best Way to Fight Deficits: Raise Taxes on the Rich | Common Dreams

That shows me that voters have no real idea what the debt ceiling is. Its also proof that just because something is popular doesnt mean it is right.

The line from Dumbledore sums it up pretty good, "Soon we will all have a choice between what is right, and what is easy. "

That sounds like a choice about Empire.

"The Empire rips up the Constitution and takes the reserve army of the young unemployed to kill and die in aggressive wars of the White House’s choice, with Congress watching from the sidelines; its only role to funnel trillions of tax dollars into the insatiable war machine’s unauditable budgets.

"President Eisenhower wanted us to control the 'military-industrial complex'. Instead it grew much more out of control. Eisenhower’s grave warning as expressed in his farewell address in 1961 was prescient."

Waiting for the Spark | Common Dreams

 

[martybegan]

Would you be REALLY shocked if the government does not raise the debt ceiling?

"By 69-24 percent, voters oppose raising the legal ceiling for debt."

Poll: Best Way to Fight Deficits: Raise Taxes on the Rich | Common Dreams

That shows me that voters have no real idea what the debt ceiling is. Its also proof that just because something is popular doesnt mean it is right.

The line from Dumbledore sums it up pretty good, "Soon we will all have a choice between what is right, and what is easy. "

That sounds like a choice about Empire.

"The Empire rips up the Constitution and takes the reserve army of the young unemployed to kill and die in aggressive wars of the White House’s choice, with Congress watching from the sidelines; its only role to funnel trillions of tax dollars into the insatiable war machine’s unauditable budgets.

"President Eisenhower wanted us to control the 'military-industrial complex'. Instead it grew much more out of control. Eisenhower’s grave warning as expressed in his farewell address in 1961 was prescient."

Waiting for the Spark | Common Dreams

Um, yeah, whatever. The point is that maybe the fix for this whole situation is poltical suicide, and it will take one hell of a person to be able to run sucessfully on the platform of doing what is nessasary.

Whenever people quote the whole military industrial complex, they forget that Eisenhower said it was nessasary as well, given the current techological level of military conflict.

 

[georgephillip]

A national McClatchy-Marist poll shows a 64% to 33% spread in favor of increasing taxes on incomes above $250,000 instead of slashing Medicare and Medicaid.

"At the same time, they say that the government should not raise the legal debt ceiling, which the government must do soon to borrow more money, despite warnings that failing to do so would force the government into default, credit markets into turmoil and the economy into a tailspin."

"By 69-24 percent, voters oppose raising the legal ceiling for debt. That includes Democrats, who oppose it by 53-36 percent, independents, who oppose it by 74-22 percent, and Republicans, who oppose it by 79-16 percent."

Views on cutting defense spending are more mixed. While voters oppose cuts to Medicare and Medicaid by 80-18 percent only 44% support cutting the Pentagon with 54% opposed.

"Other findings:

* Only 44 percent of voters approve of Obama's job performance, while 49 percent disapprove. That was down from 48 percent approval in January, and marked the 17th straight month that his approval has been below 50 percent;
* Only 34 percent of voters approve, and 61 percent disapprove, of the way he's handling the budget deficit, projected to total about $1.6 trillion this year;
* Only 30 percent approve of the way Republicans in Congress are doing their job, while 63 percent disapprove."

Poll: Best Way to Fight Deficits: Raise Taxes on the Rich | Common Dreams

Just to keep it real in here........"Common Dreams" is a hyper-left partisan website frequently referenced by hard left k00ks. Might as well be posting up a link from the DailyKos.

Only dolts think you solve the debt problem simply by taxing the wealthy. You'd still have an uber debt problem.

The motivation by the class warfare nutballs is always the same: jealousy, misery, inability to accept responsibility for personal decision fcukk ups., etc..........its always about fcukking the successful guys for these types, no matter what the cost. Virtually ALL economists concur: You go progressive with taxes now, its madness given the fragile ecomomy.

Virtually all economists agree you can't shrink your way out of a recession. If the private sector prefers to buy back its stock with trillion$ of profits, only government is capable of supplying demand.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

A national McClatchy-Marist poll shows a 64% to 33% spread in favor of increasing taxes on incomes above $250,000 instead of slashing Medicare and Medicaid.

"At the same time, they say that the government should not raise the legal debt ceiling, which the government must do soon to borrow more money, despite warnings that failing to do so would force the government into default, credit markets into turmoil and the economy into a tailspin."

"By 69-24 percent, voters oppose raising the legal ceiling for debt. That includes Democrats, who oppose it by 53-36 percent, independents, who oppose it by 74-22 percent, and Republicans, who oppose it by 79-16 percent."

Views on cutting defense spending are more mixed. While voters oppose cuts to Medicare and Medicaid by 80-18 percent only 44% support cutting the Pentagon with 54% opposed.

"Other findings:

* Only 44 percent of voters approve of Obama's job performance, while 49 percent disapprove. That was down from 48 percent approval in January, and marked the 17th straight month that his approval has been below 50 percent;
* Only 34 percent of voters approve, and 61 percent disapprove, of the way he's handling the budget deficit, projected to total about $1.6 trillion this year;
* Only 30 percent approve of the way Republicans in Congress are doing their job, while 63 percent disapprove."

Poll: Best Way to Fight Deficits: Raise Taxes on the Rich | Common Dreams

BWAHAHAHAHAA!

A poll from Common Dreams????

Are you aware that Common Dreams is a COMMUNIST WEBSITE??????????

Are you aware you discredit yourself AUTOMATICALLY when you use Common Dreams as a source??????

That's what Porky Limbaugh says, huh?

 

[georgephillip]

A national McClatchy-Marist poll shows a 64% to 33% spread in favor of increasing taxes on incomes above $250,000 instead of slashing Medicare and Medicaid.

"At the same time, they say that the government should not raise the legal debt ceiling, which the government must do soon to borrow more money, despite warnings that failing to do so would force the government into default, credit markets into turmoil and the economy into a tailspin."

"By 69-24 percent, voters oppose raising the legal ceiling for debt. That includes Democrats, who oppose it by 53-36 percent, independents, who oppose it by 74-22 percent, and Republicans, who oppose it by 79-16 percent."

Views on cutting defense spending are more mixed. While voters oppose cuts to Medicare and Medicaid by 80-18 percent only 44% support cutting the Pentagon with 54% opposed.

"Other findings:

* Only 44 percent of voters approve of Obama's job performance, while 49 percent disapprove. That was down from 48 percent approval in January, and marked the 17th straight month that his approval has been below 50 percent;
* Only 34 percent of voters approve, and 61 percent disapprove, of the way he's handling the budget deficit, projected to total about $1.6 trillion this year;
* Only 30 percent approve of the way Republicans in Congress are doing their job, while 63 percent disapprove."

Poll: Best Way to Fight Deficits: Raise Taxes on the Rich | Common Dreams

Just to keep it real in here........"Common Dreams" is a hyper-left partisan website frequently referenced by hard left k00ks. Might as well be posting up a link from the DailyKos.

Only dolts think you solve the debt problem simply by taxing the wealthy. You'd still have an uber debt problem.

The motivation by the class warfare nutballs is always the same: jealousy, misery, inability to accept responsibility for personal decision fcukk ups., etc..........its always about fcukking the successful guys for these types, no matter what the cost. Virtually ALL economists concur: You go progressive with taxes now, its madness given the fragile ecomomy.

"Underlying it all, Americans are in a pessimistic mood. Fewer than one in three — 32 percent of registered voters — think the country's headed in the right direction, while 63 percent think it's headed in the wrong direction.

Among all adults, including non-voters, the tally is 31-64 percent, the poorest since November 2007 at the onset of the Great Recession."

Poll: Best Way to Fight Deficits: Raise Taxes on the Rich | Common Dreams

Does it matter if Communists believe this too?

 

[hortysir]

This poll shows the same results as a number of recent polls and all people can do is disparage the poll? Increasing taxes for millionaires is what people want. Why is that so difficult to understand?

We wouldn't need more revenue if we weren't SENDING so much

 

[georgephillip]

I'm shocked, totally shocked I tell you, that you can find a poll where people agree that raising taxes on someone else is OK.

Would you be REALLY shocked if the government does not raise the debt ceiling?

"By 69-24 percent, voters oppose raising the legal ceiling for debt."

Poll: Best Way to Fight Deficits: Raise Taxes on the Rich | Common Dreams

BWAHAHAHAHA!

Another "poll" from Common Dreams.

IT'S A COMMUNIST WEBSITE.

Idiots have been using that website since I've been debating politics. We always laughed in their faces when they used that website.

Common Dreams has been pushing their BS, since the 90s, when they couldn't get over their darling Soviet Union falling.

So you're admitting to being too stupid/ignorant/lazy to be able to refute communist propaganda?

What good are you?

 

[Herbie Hancock]

Pretty easy to get to 64% when 20% consider themselves liberals (socialists) and 50% of the people pay no fed taxes and are therefore leeches or parasites.

 

[StevenC]

This poll shows the same results as a number of recent polls and all people can do is disparage the poll? Increasing taxes for millionaires is what people want. Why is that so difficult to understand?

good then do it, and when "the people" want to come after YOUR ALL'S earnings, I say GO FOR IT.

Who is going after "ALL" of anyone's earnings? When, in our history, have we ever gone to war and NOT raised taxes? Can you find an instance? Have fun looking, but I'll save you some time. It hasn't happened...until now. We are currently engaged on TWO FRONTS in wars that are not paid for. We cannot keep up this pace and NOT raise taxes. Our deficits are LARGELY the result of two wars and the Bush tax cuts. If you are serious about decreasing the debt and deficit of our country, then raising taxes has to be part of the conversation (as well as cutting military spending).

These "wars" are not comparable.
They only eat up about 3% of the budget whereas WWII took up 50%

Also what is sense of raising taxes on those who already get around paying the full amount?
Better to do what Ryan and Obama's own commission, which he ignored, suggested.
Cut rates across the board and remove the loopholes.
Wouldn't it be better to have 100% of 28% than 50% of 38%? Or 0 of 38% in the case of the large corporations.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

A national McClatchy-Marist poll shows a 64% to 33% spread in favor of increasing taxes on incomes above $250,000 instead of slashing Medicare and Medicaid.

"At the same time, they say that the government should not raise the legal debt ceiling, which the government must do soon to borrow more money, despite warnings that failing to do so would force the government into default, credit markets into turmoil and the economy into a tailspin."

"By 69-24 percent, voters oppose raising the legal ceiling for debt. That includes Democrats, who oppose it by 53-36 percent, independents, who oppose it by 74-22 percent, and Republicans, who oppose it by 79-16 percent."

Views on cutting defense spending are more mixed. While voters oppose cuts to Medicare and Medicaid by 80-18 percent only 44% support cutting the Pentagon with 54% opposed.

"Other findings:

* Only 44 percent of voters approve of Obama's job performance, while 49 percent disapprove. That was down from 48 percent approval in January, and marked the 17th straight month that his approval has been below 50 percent;
* Only 34 percent of voters approve, and 61 percent disapprove, of the way he's handling the budget deficit, projected to total about $1.6 trillion this year;
* Only 30 percent approve of the way Republicans in Congress are doing their job, while 63 percent disapprove."

Poll: Best Way to Fight Deficits: Raise Taxes on the Rich | Common Dreams

Just to keep it real in here........"Common Dreams" is a hyper-left partisan website frequently referenced by hard left k00ks. Might as well be posting up a link from the DailyKos.

Good post.

You could take every dime from every "evil" rich person out there and it wouldn't make a dent it whats owed.

I agree on raising taxes at this time as well is ridiculous.

Maybe you need to spend a little-more-time on managing your allowance, before you tackle any adult-subjects.....​

December 22, 2009​

"The curious may want to know why the Bush tax cuts are set to expire in the first place. After all, if then-President George W. Bush and Congress thought they were a good idea when they passed them in the early 2000s, why make them temporary?

The answer is that President Bush and a complicit Congress didn’t want to show the magnitude of the deficits that would result from their tax cuts. To hide those deficits as they were pushing them through they used a variety of accounting tricks. One of those tricks was attaching expiration dates so that, on paper, there wouldn’t be any long-term costs. This made the long-term deficit picture look fairly rosy on paper even as it doomed Bush’s successor and the current Congress to cleaning up the mess.

In fairness, Bush and his supply-side crowd believe with a zealot’s fervor that tax cuts spur such economic growth that future deficits never happen. Over history there are trillion$ of dollars of debt that prove them wrong."

The Teabaggers' Lament

 

[Claudette]

Just to keep it real in here........"Common Dreams" is a hyper-left partisan website frequently referenced by hard left k00ks. Might as well be posting up a link from the DailyKos.

Good post.

You could take every dime from every "evil" rich person out there and it wouldn't make a dent it whats owed.

I agree on raising taxes at this time as well is ridiculous.

Maybe you need to spend a little-more-time on managing your allowance, before you tackle any adult-subjects.....​

December 22, 2009​

"The curious may want to know why the Bush tax cuts are set to expire in the first place. After all, if then-President George W. Bush and Congress thought they were a good idea when they passed them in the early 2000s, why make them temporary?

The answer is that President Bush and a complicit Congress didn’t want to show the magnitude of the deficits that would result from their tax cuts. To hide those deficits as they were pushing them through they used a variety of accounting tricks. One of those tricks was attaching expiration dates so that, on paper, there wouldn’t be any long-term costs. This made the long-term deficit picture look fairly rosy on paper even as it doomed Bush’s successor and the current Congress to cleaning up the mess.

In fairness, Bush and his supply-side crowd believe with a zealot’s fervor that tax cuts spur such economic growth that future deficits never happen. Over history there are trillion$ of dollars of debt that prove them wrong."

The Teabaggers' Lament

Well shit for brains since my house is payed for. The two cars sitting in my yard are payed for and I don't owe anyone a dime. I think I handle my allowance quite well thanks.

As for adults, one has to wonder bout you shitola.

 

[martybegan]

good then do it, and when "the people" want to come after YOUR ALL'S earnings, I say GO FOR IT.

Who is going after "ALL" of anyone's earnings? When, in our history, have we ever gone to war and NOT raised taxes? Can you find an instance? Have fun looking, but I'll save you some time. It hasn't happened...until now. We are currently engaged on TWO FRONTS in wars that are not paid for. We cannot keep up this pace and NOT raise taxes. Our deficits are LARGELY the result of two wars and the Bush tax cuts. If you are serious about decreasing the debt and deficit of our country, then raising taxes has to be part of the conversation (as well as cutting military spending).

These "wars" are not comparable.
They only eat up about 3% of the budget whereas WWII took up 50%

Also what is sense of raising taxes on those who already get around paying the full amount?
Better to do what Ryan and Obama's own commission, which he ignored, suggested.
Cut rates across the board and remove the loopholes.
Wouldn't it be better to have 100% of 28% than 50% of 38%? Or 0 of 38% in the case of the large corporations.

The problem is that once you get rid of the deductions, the powers that be will try to keep the rate as close to the old one as possible. The tax the rich crowd will scream bloody murder at the deduction removal, as it would have to be all of them, including the popular local tax and mortgage deductions, as well as the medical expenses deductions.

 

[teapartysamurai]

This poll shows the same results as a number of recent polls and all people can do is disparage the poll? Increasing taxes for millionaires is what people want. Why is that so difficult to understand?

Which ONLY reveals that there is a DEFINITE agenda behind the polls when the polls from an OPENLY COMMUNIST WEBSITE and the polls from the liberal media agree.

Which is why I don't buy polls. You want evidence of what the public really wants. Check out the last election. Did they vote for big government and more taxes, or for less?

So much for lying liberal polls.

 

[boedicca]

A national McClatchy-Marist poll shows a 64% to 33% spread in favor of increasing taxes on incomes above $250,000 instead of slashing Medicare and Medicaid.

"At the same time, they say that the government should not raise the legal debt ceiling, which the government must do soon to borrow more money, despite warnings that failing to do so would force the government into default, credit markets into turmoil and the economy into a tailspin."

"By 69-24 percent, voters oppose raising the legal ceiling for debt. That includes Democrats, who oppose it by 53-36 percent, independents, who oppose it by 74-22 percent, and Republicans, who oppose it by 79-16 percent."

Views on cutting defense spending are more mixed. While voters oppose cuts to Medicare and Medicaid by 80-18 percent only 44% support cutting the Pentagon with 54% opposed.

"Other findings:

* Only 44 percent of voters approve of Obama's job performance, while 49 percent disapprove. That was down from 48 percent approval in January, and marked the 17th straight month that his approval has been below 50 percent;
* Only 34 percent of voters approve, and 61 percent disapprove, of the way he's handling the budget deficit, projected to total about $1.6 trillion this year;
* Only 30 percent approve of the way Republicans in Congress are doing their job, while 63 percent disapprove."

Poll: Best Way to Fight Deficits: Raise Taxes on the Rich | Common Dreams

Congrats. You've provided a great example of why The Founders designed a system of equal protections under a Rule of Law so in order to avoid the Rule of Mob that your OP promotes.

 

[teapartysamurai]

This poll shows the same results as a number of recent polls and all people can do is disparage the poll? Increasing taxes for millionaires is what people want. Why is that so difficult to understand?

good then do it, and when "the people" want to come after YOUR ALL'S earnings, I say GO FOR IT.

What don't these idiots get about the economy?

We are at high unemployment and the answer is to go after the very people that produce jobs?

Oh, great idea! (extreme sarcasm alert)

If the government took every last time the "millionaires" made, they wouldn't run this government for a week!

The government borrows more than they take in! You can't TAX your way out of that!

The ONLY SOLUTION is to CUT SPENDING!

But liberals are so INVESTED in buying votes with their socialism, they will try to sell tax hikes at any cost. DESPITE THE FACT IT WON'T WORK.

As long as they think it will buy enough votes for the next election, they don't care if we go the way of Europe, especially Greece.

It's disgusting!

 

[teapartysamurai]

This poll shows the same results as a number of recent polls and all people can do is disparage the poll? Increasing taxes for millionaires is what people want. Why is that so difficult to understand?

good then do it, and when "the people" want to come after YOUR ALL'S earnings, I say GO FOR IT.

Who is going after "ALL" of anyone's earnings? When, in our history, have we ever gone to war and NOT raised taxes? Can you find an instance? Have fun looking, but I'll save you some time. It hasn't happened...until now. We are currently engaged on TWO FRONTS in wars that are not paid for. We cannot keep up this pace and NOT raise taxes. Our deficits are LARGELY the result of two wars and the Bush tax cuts. If you are serious about decreasing the debt and deficit of our country, then raising taxes has to be part of the conversation (as well as cutting military spending).

The War on Terror, Hellooooooooooooooooo! Bush CUT TAXES!




Now, let an adult explain something to you. The War on Terror did not raise the deficit that much. OBAMA RAISED THE DEFICIT!

US Federal Deficit As Percent Of GDP

2001 -1.25
2002 1.48
2003 3.39
2004 3.48
2005 2.52
2006 1.85
2007 1.14
2008 3.18
2009 9.91
2010 10.64

US Federal Deficit as percent of GDP - Charts Tables History

Now THAT is the truth about the DEFICIT. The wars did not raise the deficit as Obama would lie to you. As a percent of GDP the war was very small.

What raised the deficit was OBAMA SPENDING. He didn't triple the deficit, he QUADRUPLED IT!

The answer to that is NOT raising taxes, it is ending the activity that caused it in the first place. YOU HAVE TO CUT SPENDING!

Even in Obama took all the money these rich made HE WOULD NOT PAY OFF THE DEFICIT.

The government spends more than it takes in!

Now that is the truth, you refuse to see, because it isn't what your wonderful teachers, professors and other liberal "experts" are telling you, BUT THE NUMBERS DON'T LIE.

The fact is, the deficit was not that high during the Bush admin. IT ROSE UNDER OBAMA.

Deal with it.