5 Election Day lessons for the GOP

[Nole]

playing devils advocate here: The Latino vote is really a center right group, no way around this fact. They have some of the same values of a GOP conservative as far as fiscal policy and family values. The thing is the GOP is chalk full of complete idiots like Akin.

If the GOP stops the BS, puts people like Christie in the drivers seat and tells the Palins of the world to go kick rocks, Democrats best be careful as we have not really done much for the Latino vote over the past few decades.

the Latino vote is there for the taking for the GOP, can they move away from the far right wing BS or not is the question.

 

[DiamondDave]

The GOP should have never snuffed the Libertarians out of the party. They paid the consequences.

Jim DeMint: Why Republicans Must Become More Libertarian | Libertarian News

Yet the libertarians got ~1% of the vote... actually less than other elections...

The libertarian contingent was not the reason... though it sounds good to a rabid libertarian to say so

Youre forgetting the thousands of Ron Paul write-ins and the Paul fans who settled for Romney.

You had a number of druggies and die hard libertarians or anti-establishment people already included in the 1%... They were not going Romney anyway... the libertarian contingent did not cost Romney... you can say things such as his lack of details, his social rhetoric etc cost him... but not that

 

[mudwhistle]

5 Election Day lessons for the GOP - The Week

1. The GOP has a huge Latino problem
Latino voters account for 10 percent of the electorate, and their share is growing every year, says Chris Cillizza at The Washington Post. The GOP's harsh positions on immigration helped Obama win 69 percent of Latinos' votes. Romney got just 29 percent. The GOP's "huge Hispanic problem" was the reason Florida was a tossup, and it will be enough to make once deep-red Arizona a swing state in 2016. "Texas could even be a swing state by 2020 unless Republicans" see the writing on the wall and find a way to make inroads with Latinos

2. Conservatives must soften their rhetoric on abortion
The biggest lesson "from this debacle," says Joe Battenfeld at The Boston Herald, is that the GOP needs to start winning back women. The GOP also has to shed policies that fuel charges that "the party is unfriendly toward women," and one way to do that is to "reassess their hard-line position against abortion rights." At the very least, staunchly anti-abortion Republicans need to stop pushing "the rhetorical envelope" when they talk about banning abortion, and whether there should be exceptions in cases of rape.

3. The GOP nominee has to be more aggressive
The thing that sank Mitt Romney, says William A. Jacobson at Legal Insurrection, was that "instead of playing to win, he appeared much of the time — as did Paul Ryan — to play not to lose." Nowhere was this more visible than in the third and final debate, "when Romney let Obama slide on Benghazi."

4. Lying doesn't work
The Romney campaign's "most shocking strategy" was acting like "winning was more important than truth," says Robert L. Cavnar at The Huffington Post. Romney "freely lied about the president, the economy, welfare reform, the auto bailout, major companies, history, and even Americans themselves. He flipped on every single social issue that he had advocated as governor of Massachusetts and stridently concealed his own tax records."

5. Republicans need to stop ripping each other apart in primaries
Republicans, says Battenfeld at The Boston Herald, must "stop engaging in ridiculous primary fights." Everybody knew from the get-go that Romney was going to be the Republican nominee. He was clearly the most electable candidate in the field. But that didn't stop "ego-driven Republicans like Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum" from viciously tearing him apart for months.

You're fucken high.

We don't have a Hispanic problem.....we have a Democrat problem.

I'll agree on the abortion issue, but I think Democrats need to soften their rhetoric.


I agree we have to be more aggressive. We need to learn how to lie effectively like Democrats.....but that would mean making the media honest. Figure the odds.


This election proves once again that the only thing that works is lying.


And the purpose of the primaries is to rip each other apart. The Dems did it in 08' and they didn't suffer from it. But then again that brings us back to the corrupt media.

This post tells me that you haven't a friggen clue. Basically you bought an E ticket to fantasyland. Hope you enjoy the ride.

Dude...you got a big time hispanic problem. 29% of the vote. Cost you Florida, New Mexico, Nevada. Arizona and Texas are next

The anti-hispanic rhetoric, Arizona and Alabama immigration bills, English as an official language bills, Sherrif Joe all lead hispanic voters away from your party

Hispanics were historicaly conservative until the GOP sold them out to pander to the extreme right of the party

Hispanics aren't the problem. Most of them are conservative anyway.

The big problem is all of the class-warfare bullshit.

That was not the GOP's fault.

 

[whitehall]

One thing you can count on with the left. They are insufferable when they win and they are angry and crazy when they lose.

 

[mudwhistle]

Yet the libertarians got ~1% of the vote... actually less than other elections...

The libertarian contingent was not the reason... though it sounds good to a rabid libertarian to say so

Youre forgetting the thousands of Ron Paul write-ins and the Paul fans who settled for Romney.

You had a number of druggies and die hard libertarians or anti-establishment people already included in the 1%... They were not going Romney anyway... the libertarian contingent did not cost Romney... you can say things such as his lack of details, his social rhetoric etc cost him... but not that

I think Obama manufactured a lot of votes. He got hundreds of thousands of new registrations for this election in every one of those swing states. Many of them same day registrations.

The way to stop that is change the election laws.

 

[AmyNation]

Always cries of cheating from the loser. No matter party affiliation.

 

[mudwhistle]

Always cries of cheating from the loser. No matter party affiliation.

Well, it's an intentional loop-hole that crooks took advantage of.

That's why so many of those states tried to change their election laws but injunctions were filed and the changes were put off till after this election.

The election was lost in the courts, not in the ballot-box.

 

[AmyNation]

I couldn't disagree more and I think "Obama won because he cheated" is almost as bad as "Obama won because he's black".

However, if anyone feels changes need to be made to voter laws(cheating aside,perhaps they do)... Now is the time to change them. Now, today. Not 3 years and 3 months from now. Right now, so voters have 4 years to adhere to them.

 

[4Horsemen]

I see little chance the GOP will learn a thing. I see a double down on stupid and conspiracy theories.

The only conspiracy is.. you're still a slave and don't even know it.

 

[Katzndogz]

5 Election Day lessons for the GOP - The Week

1. The GOP has a huge Latino problem
Latino voters account for 10 percent of the electorate, and their share is growing every year, says Chris Cillizza at The Washington Post. The GOP's harsh positions on immigration helped Obama win 69 percent of Latinos' votes. Romney got just 29 percent. The GOP's "huge Hispanic problem" was the reason Florida was a tossup, and it will be enough to make once deep-red Arizona a swing state in 2016. "Texas could even be a swing state by 2020 unless Republicans" see the writing on the wall and find a way to make inroads with Latinos

2. Conservatives must soften their rhetoric on abortion
The biggest lesson "from this debacle," says Joe Battenfeld at The Boston Herald, is that the GOP needs to start winning back women. The GOP also has to shed policies that fuel charges that "the party is unfriendly toward women," and one way to do that is to "reassess their hard-line position against abortion rights." At the very least, staunchly anti-abortion Republicans need to stop pushing "the rhetorical envelope" when they talk about banning abortion, and whether there should be exceptions in cases of rape.

3. The GOP nominee has to be more aggressive
The thing that sank Mitt Romney, says William A. Jacobson at Legal Insurrection, was that "instead of playing to win, he appeared much of the time — as did Paul Ryan — to play not to lose." Nowhere was this more visible than in the third and final debate, "when Romney let Obama slide on Benghazi."

4. Lying doesn't work
The Romney campaign's "most shocking strategy" was acting like "winning was more important than truth," says Robert L. Cavnar at The Huffington Post. Romney "freely lied about the president, the economy, welfare reform, the auto bailout, major companies, history, and even Americans themselves. He flipped on every single social issue that he had advocated as governor of Massachusetts and stridently concealed his own tax records."

5. Republicans need to stop ripping each other apart in primaries
Republicans, says Battenfeld at The Boston Herald, must "stop engaging in ridiculous primary fights." Everybody knew from the get-go that Romney was going to be the Republican nominee. He was clearly the most electable candidate in the field. But that didn't stop "ego-driven Republicans like Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum" from viciously tearing him apart for months.

You're fucken high.

We don't have a Hispanic problem.....we have a Democrat problem.

I'll agree on the abortion issue, but I think Democrats need to soften their rhetoric.


I agree we have to be more aggressive. We need to learn how to lie effectively like Democrats.....but that would mean making the media honest. Figure the odds.


This election proves once again that the only thing that works is lying.


And the purpose of the primaries is to rip each other apart. The Dems did it in 08' and they didn't suffer from it. But then again that brings us back to the corrupt media.

This post tells me that you haven't a friggen clue. Basically you bought an E ticket to fantasyland. Hope you enjoy the ride.

If you lived around hispanics, you'd know we had a hispanic problem.

"Hey Maria, my cousin Jose was shot and killed last night."

"Whose birthday party did he go to?"

 

[AmyNation]

Classy Kazt. As always.

 

[ilia25]

4. Lying doesn't work
The Romney campaign's "most shocking strategy" was acting like "winning was more important than truth," says Robert L. Cavnar at The Huffington Post. Romney "freely lied about the president, the economy, welfare reform, the auto bailout, major companies, history, and even Americans themselves. He flipped on every single social issue that he had advocated as governor of Massachusetts and stridently concealed his own tax records."

That should have been the No 1 item. Except Republicans cannot tell the truth either, it will make them losing even more votes.

I now believe that the only real thing that Republicans represent is the rich wanting to get richer at the expense of everyone else.

The rest is smoke and mirrors. That is certainly true for their plans regarding the economy. Or healthcare.

 

[rightwinger]

You're fucken high.

We don't have a Hispanic problem.....we have a Democrat problem.

I'll agree on the abortion issue, but I think Democrats need to soften their rhetoric.


I agree we have to be more aggressive. We need to learn how to lie effectively like Democrats.....but that would mean making the media honest. Figure the odds.


This election proves once again that the only thing that works is lying.


And the purpose of the primaries is to rip each other apart. The Dems did it in 08' and they didn't suffer from it. But then again that brings us back to the corrupt media.

This post tells me that you haven't a friggen clue. Basically you bought an E ticket to fantasyland. Hope you enjoy the ride.

Dude...you got a big time hispanic problem. 29% of the vote. Cost you Florida, New Mexico, Nevada. Arizona and Texas are next

The anti-hispanic rhetoric, Arizona and Alabama immigration bills, English as an official language bills, Sherrif Joe all lead hispanic voters away from your party

Hispanics were historicaly conservative until the GOP sold them out to pander to the extreme right of the party

Hispanics aren't the problem. Most of them are conservative anyway.

The big problem is all of the class-warfare bullshit.

That was not the GOP's fault.

Hispanics are traditionally conservative and religious. You have to work hard to drive them away. Republicans found a way to do it. Hispanics are also proud of their culture and heritage. In pandering to the extreme of the party, republicans have managed to offend most Hispanics and make it clear they are not considered real Americans

The numbers don't lie.......Hispanics are pissed at the GOP

 

[RoadVirus]

5 Election Day lessons for the GOP - The Week

1. The GOP has a huge Latino problem

A demographic that has risen mostly because of illegals from Latin American who come here and plop out their spawn in American hosptials for citizenship and welfare benefits. Fuck em.

3. The GOP nominee has to be more aggressive
The thing that sank Mitt Romney, says William A. Jacobson at Legal Insurrection, was that "instead of playing to win, he appeared much of the time — as did Paul Ryan — to play not to lose." Nowhere was this more visible than in the third and final debate, "when Romney let Obama slide on Benghazi."

If Romney had been any more tougher on BarACK, he would've been labelled a racist. So it's a lose-lose.

 

[rightwinger]

5 Election Day lessons for the GOP - The Week

1. The GOP has a huge Latino problem

A demographic that has risen mostly because of illegals from Latin American who come here and plop out their spawn in American hosptials for citizenship and welfare benefits. Fuck em.


e.

Yup, no question
You have a Latino problem. It is pandering to voters such as yourself that cost the party Florida, New Mexico, Colorado and Nevada

 

[Mac1958]

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A person who isn't listening can't learn a lesson.

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[Mustang]

5 Election Day lessons for the GOP - The Week

1. The GOP has a huge Latino problem
Latino voters account for 10 percent of the electorate, and their share is growing every year, says Chris Cillizza at The Washington Post. The GOP's harsh positions on immigration helped Obama win 69 percent of Latinos' votes. Romney got just 29 percent. The GOP's "huge Hispanic problem" was the reason Florida was a tossup, and it will be enough to make once deep-red Arizona a swing state in 2016. "Texas could even be a swing state by 2020 unless Republicans" see the writing on the wall and find a way to make inroads with Latinos

2. Conservatives must soften their rhetoric on abortion
The biggest lesson "from this debacle," says Joe Battenfeld at The Boston Herald, is that the GOP needs to start winning back women. The GOP also has to shed policies that fuel charges that "the party is unfriendly toward women," and one way to do that is to "reassess their hard-line position against abortion rights." At the very least, staunchly anti-abortion Republicans need to stop pushing "the rhetorical envelope" when they talk about banning abortion, and whether there should be exceptions in cases of rape.

3. The GOP nominee has to be more aggressive
The thing that sank Mitt Romney, says William A. Jacobson at Legal Insurrection, was that "instead of playing to win, he appeared much of the time — as did Paul Ryan — to play not to lose." Nowhere was this more visible than in the third and final debate, "when Romney let Obama slide on Benghazi."

4. Lying doesn't work
The Romney campaign's "most shocking strategy" was acting like "winning was more important than truth," says Robert L. Cavnar at The Huffington Post. Romney "freely lied about the president, the economy, welfare reform, the auto bailout, major companies, history, and even Americans themselves. He flipped on every single social issue that he had advocated as governor of Massachusetts and stridently concealed his own tax records."

5. Republicans need to stop ripping each other apart in primaries
Republicans, says Battenfeld at The Boston Herald, must "stop engaging in ridiculous primary fights." Everybody knew from the get-go that Romney was going to be the Republican nominee. He was clearly the most electable candidate in the field. But that didn't stop "ego-driven Republicans like Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum" from viciously tearing him apart for months.

I would probably alter #2 to say something like this:

2. Conservatives must soften their rhetoric, PERIOD!

 

[mudwhistle]

Dude...you got a big time hispanic problem. 29% of the vote. Cost you Florida, New Mexico, Nevada. Arizona and Texas are next

The anti-hispanic rhetoric, Arizona and Alabama immigration bills, English as an official language bills, Sherrif Joe all lead hispanic voters away from your party

Hispanics were historicaly conservative until the GOP sold them out to pander to the extreme right of the party

Hispanics aren't the problem. Most of them are conservative anyway.

The big problem is all of the class-warfare bullshit.

That was not the GOP's fault.

Hispanics are traditionally conservative and religious. You have to work hard to drive them away. Republicans found a way to do it. Hispanics are also proud of their culture and heritage. In pandering to the extreme of the party, republicans have managed to offend most Hispanics and make it clear they are not considered real Americans

The numbers don't lie.......Hispanics are pissed at the GOP

What did the GOP do specifically that drove them away.

Could it be the left constantly saying they're 90% white?

Could it be the Democrats promising to deliver amnesty but never really trying to do it?

Could it be the fact that when GOP members like John McCain and Lindsey Graham tried to do it the Democrats went into a shell and their media cohorts trashed them?

I think that's it.


I'm still trying to put a finger on what is the exact reason that Hispanics are pissed at us. We didn't promise them anything. We just said we would try to work the problem but this last time Obama said he wasn't going to deal with it till 2011. Could it be the fact that white people are the target in all of this? A black president can sell racism to Hispanics, no problem. It's an easy target to hit.

Fact is Democrats like it the way it is......never being addressed. As long as it gets them Hispanic votes they have less than zero incentive to get rid of such a valuable cash-cow.

 

[rightwinger]

Hispanics aren't the problem. Most of them are conservative anyway.

The big problem is all of the class-warfare bullshit.

That was not the GOP's fault.

Hispanics are traditionally conservative and religious. You have to work hard to drive them away. Republicans found a way to do it. Hispanics are also proud of their culture and heritage. In pandering to the extreme of the party, republicans have managed to offend most Hispanics and make it clear they are not considered real Americans

The numbers don't lie.......Hispanics are pissed at the GOP

What did the GOP do specifically that drove them away.

Could it be the left constantly saying they're 90% white?

Could it be the Democrats promising to deliver amnesty but never really trying to do it?

Could it be the fact that when GOP members like John McCain and Lindsey Graham tried to do it the Democrats went into a shell and their media cohorts trashed them?

I think that's it.


I'm still trying to put a finger on what is the exact reason that Hispanics are pissed at us. We didn't promise them anything. We just said we would try to work the problem but this last time Obama said he wasn't going to deal with it till 2011. Could it be the fact that white people are the target in all of this? A black president can sell racism to Hispanics, no problem. It's an easy target to hit.

Fact is Democrats like it the way it is......never being addressed. As long as it gets them Hispanic votes they have less than zero incentive to get rid of such a valuable cash-cow.

Good question

We can start with the Arizona and Alabama immigration laws that Hispanics resented
How about the Republicans blocking the DREAM act?
How about Republican English as an official language bills?
How about the anti Hispanic rhetoric coming out of the Hannity's, Limbaughs, Sheriff Joes and assorted GOP Congressmen ?
How about the large number of GOP Congressmen and Senators blocking immigration reform?

 

[AmyNation]

5 Election Day lessons for the GOP - The Week

1. The GOP has a huge Latino problem

A demographic that has risen mostly because of illegals from Latin American who come here and plop out their spawn in American hosptials for citizenship and welfare benefits. Fuck em.


e.

Yup, no question
You have a Latino problem. It is pandering to voters such as yourself that cost the party Florida, New Mexico, Colorado and Nevada

And blacks and jews and women and the young.

Mitt won white Christian males. And you simply can't carry an election anymore with just white Christian males.