423 million guns. 17 million 'assault weapons'

[M14 Shooter]

https://americanmilitarynews.com/20...020-democratic-candidates-for-spike-in-sales/

10,265 gun-related murders, 2018.
1 gun in 41,200 used to commit murder
99.99976% of guns are not used to commit murder.

3 mass shootings with 'assault weapons', 2018, with 32 deaths
1 'assault weapon' in 5,600,000 used in a mass shooting
99.99822% of 'assault weapons' are not used in a mass shooting

And yet, the anti-gun left wants to ban - even confiscate - 'assault weapons' and add any number of other restrictions on the ownership and use of other firearms.

What rational, reasoned person thinks these people are motivated by public safety?
Why?

Would you shut up about this gun confiscation crap? It’s never going to happen. The truth is, you like this gun taking rhetoric because you all go into this childish “don’t tread on me” fantasy that gives you a false sense of manliness and toughness.

No democrat left in the race is talking about that. Even if they were, it would NEVER happen regardless.

They learned their lesson and are just going to implement it if they win, and simply not saying anything about it until then.....you moron.

Oh really? So why hasn’t any democrat president from the past try it?

Because of what happened to Bill Clinton in 1994.

 

[M14 Shooter]

https://americanmilitarynews.com/20...020-democratic-candidates-for-spike-in-sales/

10,265 gun-related murders, 2018.
1 gun in 41,200 used to commit murder
99.99976% of guns are not used to commit murder.

3 mass shootings with 'assault weapons', 2018, with 32 deaths
1 'assault weapon' in 5,600,000 used in a mass shooting
99.99822% of 'assault weapons' are not used in a mass shooting

And yet, the anti-gun left wants to ban - even confiscate - 'assault weapons' and add any number of other restrictions on the ownership and use of other firearms.

What rational, reasoned person thinks these people are motivated by public safety?
Why?

Spread out over slightly less than 60 million households.
You're increasing the number of guns owned, but not the number of gun owners.

Your avoidance of the issues raised aside...
~60 out of ~128 million households.
OK...? So...?

 

[M14 Shooter]

400 million guns...and a mass shooting about every day...

This is a lie.

 

[2aguy]

https://americanmilitarynews.com/20...020-democratic-candidates-for-spike-in-sales/

10,265 gun-related murders, 2018.
1 gun in 41,200 used to commit murder
99.99976% of guns are not used to commit murder.

3 mass shootings with 'assault weapons', 2018, with 32 deaths
1 'assault weapon' in 5,600,000 used in a mass shooting
99.99822% of 'assault weapons' are not used in a mass shooting

And yet, the anti-gun left wants to ban - even confiscate - 'assault weapons' and add any number of other restrictions on the ownership and use of other firearms.

What rational, reasoned person thinks these people are motivated by public safety?
Why?

Spread out over slightly less than 60 million households.

You're increasing the number of guns owned, but not the number of gun owners.

Wrong....again....

popular-americas-unique-gun-violence-problem-explained-17-maps-charts/

“32% of households have guns”

In another example of bias, the Times claims that only 32% of American households own guns. That number comes from the General Social Survey (GSS), but it is an outlier. A March 2018 poll by NBC News and the Wall Street Journal estimates that 47% of households own guns, with another 3% declining to answer. A Monmouth University Poll on March 2-5, 2018 asked: “Do you or anyone in your household own a gun, rifle, or pistol?” With 46% saying “yes” and another 7% unsure or refusing to answer, it is quite plausible that half of all households own guns.

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NBC Poll: Does Gun Ownership Increase Or Decrease Safety? Anti-Gun Activists Won't Like The Results.

nearly 6 in 10 Americans believe that getting guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens increases safety.

"In the poll, 58 percent agree with the statement that gun ownership does more to increase safety by allowing law-abiding citizens to protect themselves," NBC News reports. "By contrast, 38 percent say that gun ownership reduces safety by giving too many people access to firearms, increasing the chances for accidental misuse."

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NBC notes that the overall result is a "reversal" of the findings of a 1999 survey that found that 52 percent of respondents believed gun ownership reduced safety. The more positive perspective on gun ownership is partly reflected in gun ownership trends: "47 percent of American adults say they have a firearm in the household, which is up from 44 percent in 1999."

 

[2aguy]

400 million guns...and a mass shooting about every day...including one by a Saudi immigrant who recently bought his weapon

Saudi Arabia by the way is not on the list of countries in the "Muslim ban".

Why not?

Is it that MBS is Trump's little buddy?

Wrong.....in 2018 we had 12 mass public shootings with 93 people killed total.....you moron...

Number of people kiled on bicycles in 2017? 345........

Number of people killed by knives...? over 1,500.

 

[Crepitus]

https://americanmilitarynews.com/20...020-democratic-candidates-for-spike-in-sales/

10,265 gun-related murders, 2018.
1 gun in 41,200 used to commit murder
99.99976% of guns are not used to commit murder.

3 mass shootings with 'assault weapons', 2018, with 32 deaths
1 'assault weapon' in 5,600,000 used in a mass shooting
99.99822% of 'assault weapons' are not used in a mass shooting

And yet, the anti-gun left wants to ban - even confiscate - 'assault weapons' and add any number of other restrictions on the ownership and use of other firearms.

What rational, reasoned person thinks these people are motivated by public safety?
Why?

Spread out over slightly less than 60 million households.
You're increasing the number of guns owned, but not the number of gun owners.

Your avoidance of the issues raised aside...
~60 out of ~128 million households.
OK...? So...?

Just pointing it out.

 

[M14 Shooter]

https://americanmilitarynews.com/20...020-democratic-candidates-for-spike-in-sales/

10,265 gun-related murders, 2018.
1 gun in 41,200 used to commit murder
99.99976% of guns are not used to commit murder.

3 mass shootings with 'assault weapons', 2018, with 32 deaths
1 'assault weapon' in 5,600,000 used in a mass shooting
99.99822% of 'assault weapons' are not used in a mass shooting

And yet, the anti-gun left wants to ban - even confiscate - 'assault weapons' and add any number of other restrictions on the ownership and use of other firearms.

What rational, reasoned person thinks these people are motivated by public safety?
Why?

Spread out over slightly less than 60 million households.
You're increasing the number of guns owned, but not the number of gun owners.

Your avoidance of the issues raised aside...
~60 out of ~128 million households.
OK...? So...?

Just pointing it out.

OK - thanks.
Back to the OP:
What rational, reasoned person thinks these people are motivated by public safety?

 

[Crepitus]

https://americanmilitarynews.com/20...020-democratic-candidates-for-spike-in-sales/

10,265 gun-related murders, 2018.
1 gun in 41,200 used to commit murder
99.99976% of guns are not used to commit murder.

3 mass shootings with 'assault weapons', 2018, with 32 deaths
1 'assault weapon' in 5,600,000 used in a mass shooting
99.99822% of 'assault weapons' are not used in a mass shooting

And yet, the anti-gun left wants to ban - even confiscate - 'assault weapons' and add any number of other restrictions on the ownership and use of other firearms.

What rational, reasoned person thinks these people are motivated by public safety?
Why?

Spread out over slightly less than 60 million households.
You're increasing the number of guns owned, but not the number of gun owners.

Your avoidance of the issues raised aside...
~60 out of ~128 million households.
OK...? So...?

Just pointing it out.

OK - thanks.
Back to the OP:
What rational, reasoned person thinks these people are motivated by public safety?

Semiautomatic rifles with large magazines add significantly to the body count of a mass shooting.

 

[M14 Shooter]

https://americanmilitarynews.com/20...020-democratic-candidates-for-spike-in-sales/

10,265 gun-related murders, 2018.
1 gun in 41,200 used to commit murder
99.99976% of guns are not used to commit murder.

3 mass shootings with 'assault weapons', 2018, with 32 deaths
1 'assault weapon' in 5,600,000 used in a mass shooting
99.99822% of 'assault weapons' are not used in a mass shooting

And yet, the anti-gun left wants to ban - even confiscate - 'assault weapons' and add any number of other restrictions on the ownership and use of other firearms.

What rational, reasoned person thinks these people are motivated by public safety?
Why?

Spread out over slightly less than 60 million households.
You're increasing the number of guns owned, but not the number of gun owners.

Your avoidance of the issues raised aside...
~60 out of ~128 million households.
OK...? So...?

Just pointing it out.

OK - thanks.
Back to the OP:
What rational, reasoned person thinks these people are motivated by public safety?

Semiautomatic rifles with large magazines add significantly to the body count of a mass shooting.

I see.
You read: 3 mass shootings with 'assault weapons', 2018, with 32 deaths
You conclude: Ban them!
Right?

 

[2aguy]

https://americanmilitarynews.com/20...020-democratic-candidates-for-spike-in-sales/

10,265 gun-related murders, 2018.
1 gun in 41,200 used to commit murder
99.99976% of guns are not used to commit murder.

3 mass shootings with 'assault weapons', 2018, with 32 deaths
1 'assault weapon' in 5,600,000 used in a mass shooting
99.99822% of 'assault weapons' are not used in a mass shooting

And yet, the anti-gun left wants to ban - even confiscate - 'assault weapons' and add any number of other restrictions on the ownership and use of other firearms.

What rational, reasoned person thinks these people are motivated by public safety?
Why?

Spread out over slightly less than 60 million households.
You're increasing the number of guns owned, but not the number of gun owners.

Your avoidance of the issues raised aside...
~60 out of ~128 million households.
OK...? So...?

Just pointing it out.

OK - thanks.
Back to the OP:
What rational, reasoned person thinks these people are motivated by public safety?

Semiautomatic rifles with large magazines add significantly to the body count of a mass shooting.

No, actually, they don't.......

SAGE Journals: Your gateway to world-class research journals

Large-Capacity Magazines and the Casualty Counts in Mass Shootings: The Plausibility of Linkages by Gary Kleck :: SSRN

I.

Do bans on large-capacity magazines (LCMs) for semiautomatic firearms have significant potential for reducing the number of deaths and injuries in mass shootings?
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In sum, in nearly all LCM-involved mass shootings, the time it takes to reload a detachable magazine is no greater than the average time between shots that the shooter takes anyway when not reloading.

Consequently, there is no affirmative evidence that reloading detachable magazines slows mass shooters’ rates of fire, and thus no affirmative evidence that the number of victims who could escape the killers due to additional pauses in the shooting is increased by the shooter’s need to change magazines.
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The most common rationale for an effect of LCM use is that they allow mass killers to fire many rounds without reloading.
LCMs are used is less than 1/3 of 1% of mass shootings.
News accounts of 23 shootings in which more than six people were killed or wounded and LCMs were used, occurring in the U.S. in 1994-2013, were examined.
There was only one incident in which the shooter may have been stopped by bystander intervention when he tried to reload.
In all of these 23 incidents the shooter possessed either multiple guns or multiple magazines, meaning that the shooter, even if denied LCMs, could have continued firing without significant interruption by either switching loaded guns or by changing smaller loaded magazines with only a 2-4 second delay for each magazine change.
Finally, the data indicate that mass shooters maintain slow enough rates of fire such that the time needed to reload would not increase the time between shots and thus the time available for prospective victims to escape.

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We did not employ the oft-used definition of “mass murder” as a homicide in which four or more victims were killed, because most of these involve just four to six victims (Duwe 2007), which could therefore have involved as few as six rounds fired, a number that shooters using even ordinary revolvers are capable of firing without reloading.

LCMs obviously cannot help shooters who fire no more rounds than could be fired without LCMs, so the inclusion of “nonaffectable” cases with only four to six victims would dilute the sample, reducing the percent of sample incidents in which an LCM might have affected the number of casualties.

Further, had we studied only homicides with four or more dead victims, drawn from the FBI’s Supplementary Homicide Reports, we would have missed cases in which huge numbers of people were shot, and huge numbers of rounds were fired, but three or fewer of the victims died.


For example, in one widely publicized shooting carried out in Los Angeles on February 28, 1997, two bank robbers shot a total of 18 people - surely a mass shooting by any reasonable standard (Table 1).

Yet, because none of the people they shot died, this incident would not qualify as a mass murder (or even murder of any kind).

Exclusion of such incidents would bias the sample against the proposition that LCM use increases the number of victims by excluding incidents with large numbers of victims. We also excluded shootings in which more than six persons were shot over the entire course of the incident but shootings occurred in multiple locations with no more than six people shot in any one of the locations, and substantial periods of time intervened between episodes of shooting. An example is the series of killings committed by Rodrick Dantzler on July 7, 2011.

Once eligible incidents were identified, we searched through news accounts for details related to whether the use of LCMs could have influenced the casualty counts.

Specifically, we searched for

(1) the number of magazines in the shooter’s immediate possession,

(2) the capacity of the largest magazine,

(3) the number of guns in the shooter’s immediate possession during the incident,

(4) the types of guns possessed,

(5) whether the shooter reloaded during the incident,

(6) the number of rounds fired,

(7) the duration of the shooting from the first shot fired to the last, and (8) whether anyone intervened to stop the shooter.

Findings How Many Mass Shootings were Committed Using LCMs?

We identified 23 total incidents in which more than six people were shot at a single time and place in the U.S. from 1994 through 2013 and that were known to involve use of any magazines with capacities over ten rounds.


Table 1 summarizes key details of the LCMinvolved mass shootings relevant to the issues addressed in this paper.

(Table 1 about here) What fraction of all mass shootings involve LCMs?

There is no comprehensive listing of all mass shootings available for the entire 1994-2013 period, but the most extensive one currently available is at the Shootingtracker.com website, which only began its coverage in 2013.

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The offenders in LCM-involved mass shootings were also known to have reloaded during 14 of the 23 (61%) incidents with magazine holding over 10 rounds.

The shooters were known to have not reloaded in another two of these 20 incidents and it could not be determined if they reloaded in the remaining seven incidents.

Thus, even if the shooters had been denied LCMs, we know that most of them definitely would have been able to reload smaller detachable magazines without interference from bystanders since they in fact did change magazines.

The fact that this percentage is less than 100% should not, however, be interpreted to mean that the shooters were unable to reload in the other nine incidents.

It is possible that the shooters could also have reloaded in many of these nine shootings, but chose not to do so, or did not need to do so in order to fire all the rounds they wanted to fire. This is consistent with the fact that there has been at most only one mass shootings in twenty years in which reloading a semiautomatic firearm might have been blocked by bystanders intervening and thereby stopping the shooter from doing all the shooting he wanted to do. All we know is that in two incidents the shooter did not reload, and news accounts of seven other incidents did not mention whether the offender reloaded.

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For example, a story in the Hartford Courant about the Sandy Hook elementary school killings in 2012 was headlined “Shooter Paused, and Six Escaped,” the text asserting that as many as six children may have survived because the shooter paused to reload (December 23, 2012). ''

The author of the story, however, went on to concede that this was just a speculation by an unnamed source, and that it was also possible that some children simply escaped when the killer was shooting other children.

There was no reliable evidence that the pauses were due to the shooter reloading, rather than his guns jamming or the shooter simply choosing to pause his shooting while his gun was still loaded.

The plausibility of the “victims escape” rationale depends on the average rates of fire that shooters in mass shootings typically maintain.

If they fire very fast, the 2-4 seconds it takes to change box-type detachable magazines could produce a slowing of the rate of fire that the shooters otherwise would have maintained without the magazine changes, increasing the average time between rounds fired and potentially allowing more victims to escape during the betweenshot intervals.

On the other hand, if mass shooters fire their guns with the average interval between shots lasting more than 2-4 seconds, the pauses due to additional magazine changes would be no longer than the pauses the shooter typically took between shots even when not reloading.

In that case, there would be no more opportunity for potential victims to escape than there would have been without the additional magazine changes

 

[2aguy]

https://americanmilitarynews.com/20...020-democratic-candidates-for-spike-in-sales/

10,265 gun-related murders, 2018.
1 gun in 41,200 used to commit murder
99.99976% of guns are not used to commit murder.

3 mass shootings with 'assault weapons', 2018, with 32 deaths
1 'assault weapon' in 5,600,000 used in a mass shooting
99.99822% of 'assault weapons' are not used in a mass shooting

And yet, the anti-gun left wants to ban - even confiscate - 'assault weapons' and add any number of other restrictions on the ownership and use of other firearms.

What rational, reasoned person thinks these people are motivated by public safety?
Why?

Spread out over slightly less than 60 million households.
You're increasing the number of guns owned, but not the number of gun owners.

Your avoidance of the issues raised aside...
~60 out of ~128 million households.
OK...? So...?

Just pointing it out.

OK - thanks.
Back to the OP:
What rational, reasoned person thinks these people are motivated by public safety?

Semiautomatic rifles with large magazines add significantly to the body count of a mass shooting.

It is the choice of target, and how long it takes for someone to shoot back at the killer that accounts for the number of people killed.

Gilroy.....semi-auto rifle, regular 30 round magazine.....3 killed
Ohio.....semi-auto rifle, regular 30 round magazine 9 killed.

Russian polytechnic shooting, 5 shot, tube fed, pump action shotgun.....20 killed 40 injured.
Navy yard shooting...pump action shotgun, 5 shot......12 killed.

Virginia Tech...2 pistols....32 killed
Luby's Cafe....2 pistols....24 killed...

You don't know what you are talking about.

 

[sparky]

I have almost 50 "assault" weapons

I never knew assualting was such a robust hobby......~S~

 

[Cellblock2429]

They say we can't find 12,000,000 illegals, but think they can find 17,000,000 rifles.

/——-/ Libtards have the capacity to compartmentalize their beliefs. Finding 17 million rifles is doable. The possibility of fInding 12 million illegals doesn’t exist.

Same thing with Joe and Hunter getting payoff from the Ukraine gas company is not a crime, but Trump not offering a bribe to them is.

Killing baby seals is bad, but killing a baby is simply a choice.

 

[Norman]

https://americanmilitarynews.com/20...020-democratic-candidates-for-spike-in-sales/

10,265 gun-related murders, 2018.
1 gun in 41,200 used to commit murder
99.99976% of guns are not used to commit murder.

3 mass shootings with 'assault weapons', 2018, with 32 deaths
1 'assault weapon' in 5,600,000 used in a mass shooting
99.99822% of 'assault weapons' are not used in a mass shooting

And yet, the anti-gun left wants to ban - even confiscate - 'assault weapons' and add any number of other restrictions on the ownership and use of other firearms.

What rational, reasoned person thinks these people are motivated by public safety?
Why?

We have to ban something because of 32 murders?

Staircases cause more deaths every year. We need to ban them.

 

[Norman]

We should look at the most successful nation of Europe as guide. Assault rifle in every home.

Maybe to guarantee the 2nd amendment for everyone, instead of a buy-back we need a buy-in. The government giving every household an assault rifle. That should stop the democrats from attempting anti-American shit ever again.

 

[M14 Shooter]

We have to ban something because of 32 murders?

The anti-gun loons think so.