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The contention might have some merit, if those alleged palistanian civilians (hamas are civilians, bth., too) suddenly woke up and found hamass in power. Waaa! But, no, they voted hamass into power, excercising their own free will, hence, the contention is nothing more than dryvel.The only way for Israel to get rid of Hamas, which would be a good thing, would be to marginalize Hamas among Palestinian civilians. Blowing up neighborhoods, apartment buildings, and schools is just going to send Palestinians back into the arms of Hamas, but if the Israeli government could come in and edge Hamas out by providing support to Palestinian civilians the way Hamas does, and far more effectively and on a greater scale than Hamas could, then Palestinians would eventually come around and reject Hamas for the violent terrorists that they are.
“Resolve to serve no more, and you are at once freed. I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces.” - Étienne de la BoétiePalestinians who reject Hamas die by firing squad. Get that through your thick headThe only way for Israel to get rid of Hamas, which would be a good thing, would be to marginalize Hamas among Palestinian civilians. Blowing up neighborhoods, apartment buildings, and schools is just going to send Palestinians back into the arms of Hamas, but if the Israeli government could come in and edge Hamas out by providing support to Palestinian civilians the way Hamas does, and far more effectively and on a greater scale than Hamas could, then Palestinians would eventually come around and reject Hamas for the violent terrorists that they are. It would also involve stopping settlements and ending the blockade, I'm sure, but what form it would ultimately take I couldn't say.That's just it: Hamas does want innocent civilians to die. That's not an excuse for Israel to simply mow them down, however.
So there are 3 questions that can be asked:
1-what do you propose israel do in this situation, while enduring thousands of rockets fired at it?
2-why should israel respond any differently than anyone else would under these circumstances?
3-what do you propose the world and gazan arabs do to stop hamas and remove it from power?
Every single Palestinian voted for Hamas? Seems unlikely. Regardless, while we must be responsible for our votes, voting is not an act of aggression in and of itself.The contention might have some merit, if those alleged palistanian civilians (hamas are civilians, bth., too) suddenly woke up and found hamass in power. Waaa! But, no, they voted hamass into power, excercising their own free will, hence, the contention is nothing more than dryvel.The only way for Israel to get rid of Hamas, which would be a good thing, would be to marginalize Hamas among Palestinian civilians. Blowing up neighborhoods, apartment buildings, and schools is just going to send Palestinians back into the arms of Hamas, but if the Israeli government could come in and edge Hamas out by providing support to Palestinian civilians the way Hamas does, and far more effectively and on a greater scale than Hamas could, then Palestinians would eventually come around and reject Hamas for the violent terrorists that they are.
And yet you don't see the problem? Why is Hamas attacking you, in fact, why is Hamas in power at all? The reason is that Palestinians see the Israeli government as an aggressor. It doesn't matter if you disagree, it's a fact that that's how they feel, so they elect a group that helps them in many ways, claims to care about them, and is willing to "fight back" against Israel.That any war is inevitable is a lazy response, because they're not. It's only inevitable in the sense that politicians, especially politicians being armed and funded by the United States government, have little incentive to find an alternative path to peace.That's only partly true.
We enterd this current war because we had no other choice.
It was Netanyahoo's choice how to end it. He had no choice but to start it.
That's nonsense. Israeli civilians (myself included) were under attack 24/7. When your civilians are under attack, you fight back.
No cliches about "politic interests" here.
The problem is it's a never-ending cycle: Hamas fires rockets, Israel goes for shock-and-awe, Hamas fires rockets, Israel goes for shock-and-awe, Hamas fires rockets, Israel goes for shock-and-awe, Hamas fires rockets, Israel goes for shock-and-awe, etc... Both sides get to blame the other. There are only two ways to stop it that I can see. The first way is completely wiping out the Palestinians in an actual genocidal purge, which I don't think you or much of anybody else is advocating, and would ultimately lead to other issues as I think Israel would then find itself fending off other Muslim countries. The second is that Israel become the adult, we know Hamas isn't going to do it, and change the way they deal with Palestinians in general. Israel has enough defense capabilities to protect its citizens against the majority of weak attacks from Hamas, and in the meantime could change the way they are perceived by Palestinian citizens through peaceful means.
Violence from Israel, whether they started it or not, is only going to lead to more violence from Hamas. Israel changing the way they're perceived by Palestinian civilians, however, would leave Hamas marginalized and with no base of support.
And yet you don't see the problem? Why is Hamas attacking you, in fact, why is Hamas in power at all? The reason is that Palestinians see the Israeli government as an aggressor. It doesn't matter if you disagree, it's a fact that that's how they feel, so they elect a group that helps them in many ways, claims to care about them, and is willing to "fight back" against Israel.That any war is inevitable is a lazy response, because they're not. It's only inevitable in the sense that politicians, especially politicians being armed and funded by the United States government, have little incentive to find an alternative path to peace.That's only partly true.
We enterd this current war because we had no other choice.
It was Netanyahoo's choice how to end it. He had no choice but to start it.
That's nonsense. Israeli civilians (myself included) were under attack 24/7. When your civilians are under attack, you fight back.
No cliches about "politic interests" here.
The problem is it's a never-ending cycle: Hamas fires rockets, Israel goes for shock-and-awe, Hamas fires rockets, Israel goes for shock-and-awe, Hamas fires rockets, Israel goes for shock-and-awe, Hamas fires rockets, Israel goes for shock-and-awe, etc... Both sides get to blame the other. There are only two ways to stop it that I can see. The first way is completely wiping out the Palestinians in an actual genocidal purge, which I don't think you or much of anybody else is advocating, and would ultimately lead to other issues as I think Israel would then find itself fending off other Muslim countries. The second is that Israel become the adult, we know Hamas isn't going to do it, and change the way they deal with Palestinians in general. Israel has enough defense capabilities to protect its citizens against the majority of weak attacks from Hamas, and in the meantime could change the way they are perceived by Palestinian citizens through peaceful means.
Violence from Israel, whether they started it or not, is only going to lead to more violence from Hamas. Israel changing the way they're perceived by Palestinian civilians, however, would leave Hamas marginalized and with no base of support.
Oh brother.Your policeman firing into a crowd scenario is a canard in this instance.No, according to my logic it would be criminal for you to hit my family, or my neighbors, assuming they're innocent of the crime for which I committed in your analogy. You completely ignore the analogy of the officer firing into a crowd because you have no answer for it. There's a reason police aren't supposed to fire into the crowd after fleeing suspects, and that's because they're not supposed to hurt innocent civilians in the hunt for a suspect.As I said before, that dog won't hunt....Now you're getting it: All of those men should have stood trial for their crimes against humanity. The fact that they didn't has nothing to do with whether they were right, but the fact that they won.
According to your logic... if you embed rocket launchers in your living room, then fire at me and my family, it would be criminal of me to fire back, because I might hit your family.
The Real World doesn't work like that.
Never has.
Never will.
Next slide, please.
Other than that, your so-called logic has you positioned just north of Never-Never Land.
It's simply not Real World thinking.
Automatic gainsay... did too, did not... am too, am not... is too, is not... is painful enough and pointless enough when dealing with Reality, but, when dealing with some kind of Alternate Universe in which such things might be operative, well, there's simply no profit in such an exchange.
Inflicting civilian casualties during the course of legitimate wartime targeting operations is both justifiable and defensible, regardless of the way in which you would like The Universe to operate.
The guy was never part of war, he see things how he believes should be done. Can't hold it against him really. Sadly, he also doesn't get that things don't work like he wishes them to work, in real life.
I didn't say Israel was always the aggressor, I said it's irrelevant who the initial aggressor was. Israelis see it as being Hamas, and Palestinians see it as being Israel. Shocking that maybe they're simply both at fault.And yet you don't see the problem? Why is Hamas attacking you, in fact, why is Hamas in power at all? The reason is that Palestinians see the Israeli government as an aggressor. It doesn't matter if you disagree, it's a fact that that's how they feel, so they elect a group that helps them in many ways, claims to care about them, and is willing to "fight back" against Israel.That any war is inevitable is a lazy response, because they're not. It's only inevitable in the sense that politicians, especially politicians being armed and funded by the United States government, have little incentive to find an alternative path to peace.That's only partly true.
We enterd this current war because we had no other choice.
It was Netanyahoo's choice how to end it. He had no choice but to start it.
That's nonsense. Israeli civilians (myself included) were under attack 24/7. When your civilians are under attack, you fight back.
No cliches about "politic interests" here.
The problem is it's a never-ending cycle: Hamas fires rockets, Israel goes for shock-and-awe, Hamas fires rockets, Israel goes for shock-and-awe, Hamas fires rockets, Israel goes for shock-and-awe, Hamas fires rockets, Israel goes for shock-and-awe, etc... Both sides get to blame the other. There are only two ways to stop it that I can see. The first way is completely wiping out the Palestinians in an actual genocidal purge, which I don't think you or much of anybody else is advocating, and would ultimately lead to other issues as I think Israel would then find itself fending off other Muslim countries. The second is that Israel become the adult, we know Hamas isn't going to do it, and change the way they deal with Palestinians in general. Israel has enough defense capabilities to protect its citizens against the majority of weak attacks from Hamas, and in the meantime could change the way they are perceived by Palestinian citizens through peaceful means.
Violence from Israel, whether they started it or not, is only going to lead to more violence from Hamas. Israel changing the way they're perceived by Palestinian civilians, however, would leave Hamas marginalized and with no base of support.
The Israelis are always the agressors*eyroll*
Israelis are also the one who feed the "victims", like a patient offering the cancer more bodycells to consume.
"It's a question of how they feel". And why should we care how they feel? they care how we feel?
Israel tried to be the reponsible adult in 2005. It caused rockets on our towns. you want rockets to be on Jerusalem? because that's the "adult step" next result.
You didn't have a point other than to dismiss me because I've never been a part of "war." I've also never been part of a serial killer's murder spree, but I have no problem saying those are morally wrong.Oh brother.Your policeman firing into a crowd scenario is a canard in this instance.No, according to my logic it would be criminal for you to hit my family, or my neighbors, assuming they're innocent of the crime for which I committed in your analogy. You completely ignore the analogy of the officer firing into a crowd because you have no answer for it. There's a reason police aren't supposed to fire into the crowd after fleeing suspects, and that's because they're not supposed to hurt innocent civilians in the hunt for a suspect.As I said before, that dog won't hunt....Now you're getting it: All of those men should have stood trial for their crimes against humanity. The fact that they didn't has nothing to do with whether they were right, but the fact that they won.
According to your logic... if you embed rocket launchers in your living room, then fire at me and my family, it would be criminal of me to fire back, because I might hit your family.
The Real World doesn't work like that.
Never has.
Never will.
Next slide, please.
Other than that, your so-called logic has you positioned just north of Never-Never Land.
It's simply not Real World thinking.
Automatic gainsay... did too, did not... am too, am not... is too, is not... is painful enough and pointless enough when dealing with Reality, but, when dealing with some kind of Alternate Universe in which such things might be operative, well, there's simply no profit in such an exchange.
Inflicting civilian casualties during the course of legitimate wartime targeting operations is both justifiable and defensible, regardless of the way in which you would like The Universe to operate.
The guy was never part of war, he see things how he believes should be done. Can't hold it against him really. Sadly, he also doesn't get that things don't work like he wishes them to work, in real life.
Thanks for making my point for me
Except the resolve doesn't work for Palestinians who resist Hamas. Hamas declares them collaberators and traitors and lines them up against a mosque wall. Face reality.“Resolve to serve no more, and you are at once freed. I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces.” - Étienne de la BoétiePalestinians who reject Hamas die by firing squad. Get that through your thick headThe only way for Israel to get rid of Hamas, which would be a good thing, would be to marginalize Hamas among Palestinian civilians. Blowing up neighborhoods, apartment buildings, and schools is just going to send Palestinians back into the arms of Hamas, but if the Israeli government could come in and edge Hamas out by providing support to Palestinian civilians the way Hamas does, and far more effectively and on a greater scale than Hamas could, then Palestinians would eventually come around and reject Hamas for the violent terrorists that they are. It would also involve stopping settlements and ending the blockade, I'm sure, but what form it would ultimately take I couldn't say.That's just it: Hamas does want innocent civilians to die. That's not an excuse for Israel to simply mow them down, however.
So there are 3 questions that can be asked:
1-what do you propose israel do in this situation, while enduring thousands of rockets fired at it?
2-why should israel respond any differently than anyone else would under these circumstances?
3-what do you propose the world and gazan arabs do to stop hamas and remove it from power?
Except that all of Gaza is a war zone and there's no way to get out because of Israel's blockade. As for fair warning, 30 minutes is not fair warning, especially when there's nowhere else to go. Nor is it logical to assume that every single civilian is materially supporting Hamas. Give me a break.Israel purposefully bombing entire neighborhoods or schools, with very little warning, sometimes as little as a half hour, says that they do not care if they kill innocent civilians. And, again, human shields are not generally voluntary, if ever.Given the fact that they've been purposefully targeting civilian infrastructure I would say it's pretty clear they have been doing just that. You can talk about Hamas using human shields if you want, but it doesn't excuse Israel for then simply choosing to mow down those human shields. Regardless of whether they've been deliberately targeting civilians, however, they have killed a large number of civilians, which at the very least amounts to manslaughter on a massive scale. Though once you reach the number of dead civilians that Israel has racked up I would say it clearly ceases to be manslaughter and turns into murder.Has Israel been killing civilians on a large scale merely for the sake of killing civilians?Essentially, though theoretically it doesn't have to. Regardless, we don't get to redefine words simply because the State does them. Murdering innocent civilians becomes "collateral damage," yet it's still one group of people killing innocent people. Sorry, still murder.War = Murder?No, this is murder, just like every other innocent man, woman, and child that has been killed.Shocking.
www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israelgaza-conflict-mortar-attack-kills-4yearold-boy-in-israel-9686493.html
I suppose this is collateral damage, as all the other children who have been killed?
I think not.
That's the modus operandi of Hamas, however, and all the lipstick in the world isn't gonna dress-up that pig.
Why LIE when the truth is known, the targets are valid military targets under the terms of the Geneva conventions. Once hamas or their representatives placed rocket launchers in the midst of civilian buildings they became valid military targets. I would recommend that you read the whole of the Geneva conventions and see just what it says about using civilian areas to launch an attack, what happens to civilians once they agree to become human shields. Then see what they say about the warnings given to evacuate the area. It is murder but not by Israel, the blame lies at the feet of hamas for not taking every precaution to minimise the risk to the civilian population.
Finally if you look at the deaths you will find that the majority are males aged between 17 and 35 the age group that is also the one for hamas terrorists.
As for Hamas, they don't care about the Geneva Conventions, and it's in their interest to maximize civilian casualties in Israel's strikes for propaganda purposes. The Israeli government is just stupid enough to do exactly what Hamas wants them to do.
They gave fair warning which is more than hamas does of taking out military structures
Never used the word genocide, your patronizing nonsense notwithstanding. Of course the civilians are being purposefully targeted: Israel is blowing up schools where civilians are known to be congregating, not to mention the entire civilian neighborhoods that have been destroyed. It should be clear that I do hold Hamas responsible for much of the bloodshed, but I realize that Hamas is purposefully putting Palestinian in harms way, as I've already said, because they want Israel to kill as many civilians as possible. So yes, Hamas may fire rockets from some schools, neighborhoods and what have you, because they want Israel to target these areas and kill civilians. That allows Hamas to use those deaths for propaganda and turn even more Palestinians against Israel. Of course that in no way justifies Israel simply mowing down civilians in the process.Targeting of infrastructure does not equate to (nor even reliably hint at) genocide. Sorry....Given the fact that they've been purposefully targeting civilian infrastructure I would say it's pretty clear they have been doing just that...
If you are shooting rockets at my family down the block, doing it from your own living room because you're banking on my reluctance to hurt your family, I am well within my rights (and you should not be surprised when I choose) to return fire - no doubt feeling badly about harming your family, but choosing my family's survival over yours. This is not a difficult concept to grasp....You can talk about Hamas using human shields if you want, but it doesn't excuse Israel for then simply choosing to mow down those human shields...
Ah, so now the case for 'murder of civilians' begins to weaken just a wee bit, eh?...Regardless of whether they've been deliberately targeting civilians, however, they have killed a large number of civilians...
Yes - you and I both new it was going to go this way, before we even began this sequence, didn't we?
The Israelis have, indeed, killed large numbers of civilians during the course of this latest Gaza War.
That is because Hamas war-assets are embedded within their civilian population centers.
Want the large-scale collateral civilian casualties to stop.
Move the war assets away from civilian population centers.
Or suffer continued high levels of civilian collateral casualties.
That is the choice of Hamas - not Israel.
Hardly....which at the very least amounts to manslaughter on a massive scale...
It amounts to collateral civilian casualties on a significant scale, incurred during legitimate wartime targeting operations.
The US Army Air Force and the Royal Air Force also inflicted civilian casualties on a significant scale during legitimate wartime targeting operations.
More emotionalism rather than logical and objective analysis....Though once you reach the number of dead civilians that Israel has racked up I would say it clearly ceases to be manslaughter and turns into murder.
You have yet to establish 'intentional targeting of civilians', never mind 'murder'.
The scale of the collateral civilian casualties inflicted upon Gazans is directly related to the number of war-assets and war-operations conducted by Hamas in close proximity to their own civilian population centers and to the numbers of civilians in close proximity to any given asset or operation at the time of a given fire-mission.
Much also depends upon the willingness of civilians to temporarily flee the area after receiving preliminary warnings from the Israeli Defense Force.
Murder? Not by any sane definition - legal or ethical or metaphorical - that I've ever encountered.
You used the analogy of me firing rockets at you from down the street, and I agree that you would then be within your rights to fire rockets back at me. But only me. My neighbors and the rest of the street had nothing to do with my firing rockets at you, and if you harm them to get at me then you are just as guilty of murder as I am.
As for using the term murder, of course it's murder. Just because the State doesn't define it as such doesn't change the fact. If you or I did what Israel or Hamas was doing there would be no question it's murder.
If your neighbours happen to be protecting you by milling around your rocket launch pad in the misguided view that they are innocents then I can target you and any of your neighbours that get killed are down to you. It is all in the Geneva conventions that spell it all out.
As for murder the Geneva convention also spell out that it is hamas that are the murderers for not evacuating the civilians from the war zone, Israek are exonerated of all blame
Who said anything about rebelling? I said they would stop supporting Hamas and that it would slowly die out on its own.Maybe Israel needs to make some overtures to the Palestinians to make them want to throw out Hamas. As long as Israel is indiscriminately bombing civilian areas and killing people it's just going to make more people sympathetic to Hamas.I want the Palestinians to grow up, turn their focus and energy on throwing out Hamas and the PLO and to start living like the rest of the civilized world. That means they throw out missles and other weapons used against Israel, provide proof of that, and then start to build their economy.So you want Palestinians to br disarmed and subjects of Israel DW?
I am quite confident that if Israel has proof that the threat against them is over, that Gaza will be opened for business with the world and Israel.
Simply lay down your arms and live in peace.
Oh, and btw...before you say it. Nowhere do I advocate that the Palestinians subjugate themselves to Israel. Only to stop attacking them.
You prove to not know much about the situation.
Civilians already tried to rebel against Hamas. Their voices were silenced and most of them were shot dead, and added to the "victims" of the "occupation".
They won't rebel again soon, they're afraid for their lives
I condemn both Hamas and the Israeli government equally, and I'm the one only seeing one side of the argument? I'm afraid this discussion is beyond you.Then you don't object to Hamas firing into Israeli neighborhoods either, right?Just in the minds of the uneducated are blowing up neighborhoods war crimes, Ethel.Who's denying that? The problem is that this war crime somehow justifies the war crime of blowing up entire civilian neighborhoods, with the civilians still present, in the minds of some people.Essentially, though theoretically it doesn't have to. Regardless, we don't get to redefine words simply because the State does them. Murdering innocent civilians becomes "collateral damage," yet it's still one group of people killing innocent people. Sorry, still murder.
Just as firing unguided rockets into civilian homes and neighborhoods is a War Crime.
Only in the minds of the uneducated that can only see one side of the argument. The fact that they cease to be civilian areas once hamas puts a rocket launcher in place as detailed in the Geneva conventions. I would advise you to read them, all 4 so you get an idea of just how much hamas is in breach of them and how Israel is working well within them
“Resolve to serve no more, and you are at once freed. I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces.” - Étienne de la BoétiePalestinians who reject Hamas die by firing squad. Get that through your thick headThe only way for Israel to get rid of Hamas, which would be a good thing, would be to marginalize Hamas among Palestinian civilians. Blowing up neighborhoods, apartment buildings, and schools is just going to send Palestinians back into the arms of Hamas, but if the Israeli government could come in and edge Hamas out by providing support to Palestinian civilians the way Hamas does, and far more effectively and on a greater scale than Hamas could, then Palestinians would eventually come around and reject Hamas for the violent terrorists that they are. It would also involve stopping settlements and ending the blockade, I'm sure, but what form it would ultimately take I couldn't say.That's just it: Hamas does want innocent civilians to die. That's not an excuse for Israel to simply mow them down, however.
So there are 3 questions that can be asked:
1-what do you propose israel do in this situation, while enduring thousands of rockets fired at it?
2-why should israel respond any differently than anyone else would under these circumstances?
3-what do you propose the world and gazan arabs do to stop hamas and remove it from power?
You're welcome, traitor to your people. Anything to piss you off.Guys, guys GUYS!
Why do you have to quote the whole fecking thread in each post?
Please please stop it!
Just answer in sequence or attach ONLY the immediately preceding comment!
Thank you.
You didn't understand.Except the resolve doesn't work for Palestinians who resist Hamas. Hamas declares them collaberators and traitors and lines them up against a mosque wall. Face reality.“Resolve to serve no more, and you are at once freed. I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces.” - Étienne de la BoétiePalestinians who reject Hamas die by firing squad. Get that through your thick headThe only way for Israel to get rid of Hamas, which would be a good thing, would be to marginalize Hamas among Palestinian civilians. Blowing up neighborhoods, apartment buildings, and schools is just going to send Palestinians back into the arms of Hamas, but if the Israeli government could come in and edge Hamas out by providing support to Palestinian civilians the way Hamas does, and far more effectively and on a greater scale than Hamas could, then Palestinians would eventually come around and reject Hamas for the violent terrorists that they are. It would also involve stopping settlements and ending the blockade, I'm sure, but what form it would ultimately take I couldn't say.That's just it: Hamas does want innocent civilians to die. That's not an excuse for Israel to simply mow them down, however.
So there are 3 questions that can be asked:
1-what do you propose israel do in this situation, while enduring thousands of rockets fired at it?
2-why should israel respond any differently than anyone else would under these circumstances?
3-what do you propose the world and gazan arabs do to stop hamas and remove it from power?
Outright trolling now. Boring.I condemn both Hamas and the Israeli government equally, and I'm the one only seeing one side of the argument? I'm afraid this discussion is beyond you.Then you don't object to Hamas firing into Israeli neighborhoods either, right?Just in the minds of the uneducated are blowing up neighborhoods war crimes, Ethel.Who's denying that? The problem is that this war crime somehow justifies the war crime of blowing up entire civilian neighborhoods, with the civilians still present, in the minds of some people.Essentially, though theoretically it doesn't have to. Regardless, we don't get to redefine words simply because the State does them. Murdering innocent civilians becomes "collateral damage," yet it's still one group of people killing innocent people. Sorry, still murder.
Just as firing unguided rockets into civilian homes and neighborhoods is a War Crime.
Only in the minds of the uneducated that can only see one side of the argument. The fact that they cease to be civilian areas once hamas puts a rocket launcher in place as detailed in the Geneva conventions. I would advise you to read them, all 4 so you get an idea of just how much hamas is in breach of them and how Israel is working well within them
Haven't seen any condemnation of hamas in your posts, but plenty of misinformed condemnation if Israel based on LIES, BLOOD LIBELS and Jew hatred.
That's how the quote system works, apparently. I'm not interested in having to delete a bunch of other quoted posts every time I quote somebody. Sorry.Guys, guys GUYS!
Why do you have to quote the whole fecking thread in each post?
Please please stop it!
Just answer in sequence or attach ONLY the immediately preceding comment!
Thank you.
Not everyone voted for Obama, Putin, etc., either, so, the argument is, of course, dryvel.Every single Palestinian voted for Hamas? Seems unlikely.
Hamass was elected because their platform met a popular support, not because they look butt-ugly on camera, and collective choices entail collective responsibilities, something palistanians (eternally "women and children") have yet to grow up to comprehend, of course.Regardless, while we must be responsible for our votes, voting is not an act of aggression in and of itself.
The argument is only "dryvel" because you obviously didn't understand it. Shocking.Not everyone voted for Obama, Putin, etc., either, so, the argument is, of course, dryvel.Every single Palestinian voted for Hamas? Seems unlikely.
Hamass was elected because their platform met a popular support, not because they look butt-ugly on camera, and collective choices entail collective responsibilities, something palistanians (eternally "women and children") have yet to grow up to comprehend, of course.Regardless, while we must be responsible for our votes, voting is not an act of aggression in and of itself.
