4 Guns Bills Fail in Senate; Democrats Trying to Blame Republicans

[2aguy]

Well lets see who stops this moving forward

'We'll See': Trump Seems To Cool On Background Checks After Pushing For Them

Just days after expressing interest in passing “meaningful” background check legislation, President Trump appears to have cooled on the idea.

Now he says, "we'll see".

Well then, we will see if we vote for him in 2020

While we're all so absorbed in talking about the debateable subject of background checks how would Democrats vote on arming teachers, and abolishing the dangerous abomination of gun-free zones which have already resulted in getting dozens of people killed ?
Will we see about that ?

Anti-gun loons will NEVER support an idea that makes it easier for the law-abiding to defend themselves.

Don't you understand how hard it is to fill mass graves if the victims have guns and are shooting back at you....what is it with you gun people who just will not understand that simple dynamic?

 

[protectionist]

Blame or credit? I'd consider it a credit for upholding the constitution as they're sworn to do.

Upholding it in what way ?

 

[Rustic]

Well moving forward we see it’s the republicans and nra’s fault. They stop common sense legislation. We need background checks and gun registrations and better regulations and no 20 round clips.

These things won’t infringe on your rights and will lower the number of incidences

FALSE! DEMOCRATS stopped the Grassley & Cornyn bills because they didn't want Republicans to get credit for gun control.

Well lets see who stops this moving forward

'We'll See': Trump Seems To Cool On Background Checks After Pushing For Them

Just days after expressing interest in passing “meaningful” background check legislation, President Trump appears to have cooled on the idea.

Now he says, "we'll see".

Well then, we will see if we vote for him in 2020

Lol
Fuck your firearm confiscation

 

[Rustic]

After 4 attempts to enact gun control legislation, to keep guns away from terrorists, some Democrat Senators (ex. Elizabeth Warren, Chris Murphy) have been blaming Republicans for the failure to get even one bill passed. There are gaping holes with their criticisms, which frankly look like nothing more than pure political bullshit.

1. A new CNN/ORC report shows more support among Republicans (90%) for new anti-terrorist gun control measures than among Democrats (85%).

2. Two of the defeated gun control bills were proposed by Republicans (Grassley and Cornyn), and these were opposed by Democrats.

Despite the pro-gun control efforts by Republicans (responding to the massive new gun control support among Republicans), and even new pro-gun control statements from the NRA, Democrats seem to still be clinging to a political posture that tries to paint Republicans as dangerous gun runners who even are friendly to ISIS.

Chris Murphy(D-CT) had told reporters for The Washington Post: "We've got to make this clear, constant case that Republicans have decided to sell weapons to ISIS."

Outspoken liberal Sen. Elizabeth Warren echoed his sentiment after the votes.
" @ChrisMurphyCT said it right: The @SenateGOP have decided to sell weapons to ISIS," she tweeted.

Harry Reid also chimed in saying >> "Senate Republicans should be embarrassed -- but they are not, because the NRA is happy." - a clear distortion of the truth, since the NRA has endorsed the position to stop gun sales to poeple on terrorist watch lists and no-fly lists.

Also some Republicans (ex. Kelly Ayotte and Mark Kirk) voted for the Democrat (se. Feinstein) sponsored bill.

It appears to me (IMO) that both sides are having trouble getting their bills passed (which even the NRA supports), simply because each side (Democrats & Republicans) don't want the other side's sponsored bill to pass, because they don't want them to get the credit for the reform, and thereby appear to be the heros of the post-Orlando Massacre condition, that we find ourselves in.

Now, a 5th vote attempting to stop terrorists from getting guns is on the horizon, sponsored by yet another Republican, Sen. Susan Collins of Maine. This would be a weaker aiming at people on no-fly lists, and it is said to not have a good chance to pass either.

Maybe they could just pull somebody in, off the street, who is an Independent, to propose the bill.

In any case, Democrats shouldn't be allowed to get away with pinning the blame on Republicans or the NRA, when they (the Democrats) are just as responsible for the bills' defeats. Democrats appear to be just trying to chip away at the national security edge that Republicans have held over them for quite some time.

Senate rejects series of gun measures - CNNPolitics.com

After a quick read of your little link I read this

The result was expected. A fifth option, set to be introduced and voted upon as early as Tuesday by moderate Republican Sen. Susan Collins, has generated more optimism, but still faces long odds at passage.

So moderate Republicans were open to gun legislation but right wingers shot it down.

And then I read this: Sen. Chris Murphy, a Connecticut Democrat who sponsored one of the failed measures expanding background checks, reacted angrily after his provision was defeated.
"I'm mortified by today's vote but I'm not surprised by it," Murphy said Monday evening. "The NRA has a vice-like grip on this place."

I remember this bill last year. Republicans have decided to sell weapons to ISIS.

Outspoken liberal Sen. Elizabeth Warren echoed his sentiment after the votes.
".@ChrisMurphyCT said it right: The @SenateGOP have decided to sell weapons to ISIS," she tweeted.

So you tell us why Republicans shot this down.

I TOLD you why. For the same reason that Democrats shot the Grassley and Cornyn gun control bills down, that would have stopped mentally ill people from buying guns. They didn't want the other party to get the credit. Washington DC malfunctioning.

Well moving forward we see it’s the republicans and nra’s fault. They stop common sense legislation. We need background checks and gun registrations and better regulations and no 20 round clips.

These things won’t infringe on your rights and will lower the number of incidences

Fuck face, universal background checks is dog whistle for firearm confiscation just as gun registrations are.
And it’s called a magazine not a clip you fucking retard...
Go go pound sand you cowardly motherfucker

 

[sealybobo]

We need background checks and gun registrations and better regulations and no 20 round clips.

Ah, registration as common sense? That is what the NAZIs used as the prelude to confiscation. We already have background checks and banning 20 round clips would not have stopped any of the shootings so far. Another gun grabber wanting feel good legislation over substance. No criminal is going to get a background check, no criminal is going to register and no criminal is going to throw away his 20 round clip. All you are advocating is restricting the rights of honest people while letting the criminal element proceed as usual.

We aren't trying to stop future shootings by outlawing 20 round clips. So why did you say such a dumb fucking thing? What is our goal for limiting rounds to 10? Don't come back with that bullshit that you can unload and load a clip just as fast. That's a lie and as a gun user I know it's a lie. So please, tell me why you don't want BETTER background checks?

You are just a right wing tool bag obstructionist. And you are paranoid. Are you going to shoot when the cops come to the door? Are you going to be armed?

Ok fine don't "register" your guns but each time you want to buy one they should run you through the system. You could have a recent protection order or something that tells the gun store not to sell you a gun.

We could do better but not with lousy citizens like you around.

 

[sealybobo]

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Well moving forward we see it’s the republicans and nra’s fault. They stop common sense legislation. We need background checks and gun registrations and better regulations and no 20 round clips.

You can demonstrate neither the necessity for, nor the efficacy of, these restrictions.

We've explained before but clearly it's going in one ear and out the other.

If your gun can only hold 6 bullets instead of 10, we just saved 4 lives. My hunting rifle can hold 4 bullets at a time. I/you/We don't need WMD's.

I asked this the other day. Would you be ok if I owned a concealed weapon that could take out 1/2 of a packed football stadium? You would be ok with the average citizen walking around with such a destructive weapon? If the answer is yes, then there is no talking to you. You're a gun nut.

Our goal is to lower the number of murder victims. You keep worrying about the government and we will focus on the real current threat which is real and that's mass shooters. More mass shootings in American than days in the year. Something wrong here.

 

[sealybobo]

After 4 attempts to enact gun control legislation, to keep guns away from terrorists, some Democrat Senators (ex. Elizabeth Warren, Chris Murphy) have been blaming Republicans for the failure to get even one bill passed. There are gaping holes with their criticisms, which frankly look like nothing more than pure political bullshit.

1. A new CNN/ORC report shows more support among Republicans (90%) for new anti-terrorist gun control measures than among Democrats (85%).

2. Two of the defeated gun control bills were proposed by Republicans (Grassley and Cornyn), and these were opposed by Democrats.

Despite the pro-gun control efforts by Republicans (responding to the massive new gun control support among Republicans), and even new pro-gun control statements from the NRA, Democrats seem to still be clinging to a political posture that tries to paint Republicans as dangerous gun runners who even are friendly to ISIS.

Chris Murphy(D-CT) had told reporters for The Washington Post: "We've got to make this clear, constant case that Republicans have decided to sell weapons to ISIS."

Outspoken liberal Sen. Elizabeth Warren echoed his sentiment after the votes.
" @ChrisMurphyCT said it right: The @SenateGOP have decided to sell weapons to ISIS," she tweeted.

Harry Reid also chimed in saying >> "Senate Republicans should be embarrassed -- but they are not, because the NRA is happy." - a clear distortion of the truth, since the NRA has endorsed the position to stop gun sales to poeple on terrorist watch lists and no-fly lists.

Also some Republicans (ex. Kelly Ayotte and Mark Kirk) voted for the Democrat (se. Feinstein) sponsored bill.

It appears to me (IMO) that both sides are having trouble getting their bills passed (which even the NRA supports), simply because each side (Democrats & Republicans) don't want the other side's sponsored bill to pass, because they don't want them to get the credit for the reform, and thereby appear to be the heros of the post-Orlando Massacre condition, that we find ourselves in.

Now, a 5th vote attempting to stop terrorists from getting guns is on the horizon, sponsored by yet another Republican, Sen. Susan Collins of Maine. This would be a weaker aiming at people on no-fly lists, and it is said to not have a good chance to pass either.

Maybe they could just pull somebody in, off the street, who is an Independent, to propose the bill.

In any case, Democrats shouldn't be allowed to get away with pinning the blame on Republicans or the NRA, when they (the Democrats) are just as responsible for the bills' defeats. Democrats appear to be just trying to chip away at the national security edge that Republicans have held over them for quite some time.

Senate rejects series of gun measures - CNNPolitics.com

After a quick read of your little link I read this

The result was expected. A fifth option, set to be introduced and voted upon as early as Tuesday by moderate Republican Sen. Susan Collins, has generated more optimism, but still faces long odds at passage.

So moderate Republicans were open to gun legislation but right wingers shot it down.

And then I read this: Sen. Chris Murphy, a Connecticut Democrat who sponsored one of the failed measures expanding background checks, reacted angrily after his provision was defeated.
"I'm mortified by today's vote but I'm not surprised by it," Murphy said Monday evening. "The NRA has a vice-like grip on this place."

I remember this bill last year. Republicans have decided to sell weapons to ISIS.

Outspoken liberal Sen. Elizabeth Warren echoed his sentiment after the votes.
".@ChrisMurphyCT said it right: The @SenateGOP have decided to sell weapons to ISIS," she tweeted.

So you tell us why Republicans shot this down.

I TOLD you why. For the same reason that Democrats shot the Grassley and Cornyn gun control bills down, that would have stopped mentally ill people from buying guns. They didn't want the other party to get the credit. Washington DC malfunctioning.

Well moving forward we see it’s the republicans and nra’s fault. They stop common sense legislation. We need background checks and gun registrations and better regulations and no 20 round clips.

These things won’t infringe on your rights and will lower the number of incidences

Fuck face, universal background checks is dog whistle for firearm confiscation just as gun registrations are.
And it’s called a magazine not a clip you fucking retard...
Go go pound sand you cowardly motherfucker

Nope.

But funny you right wingers know what dog whistles are but when Trump says something subtly racist you act like fucking retards.

You'll go through the background check and get your guns registered or we will come and get them and then kill your sorry ass. And be glad when you are gone.

 

[Jets]

Of course these bills fail. Neither side really wants any legislation to pass. It’s more effective to keep the 2nd amendment as a wedge issue...

 

[sealybobo]

Well moving forward we see it’s the republicans and nra’s fault. They stop common sense legislation. We need background checks and gun registrations and better regulations and no 20 round clips.

These things won’t infringe on your rights and will lower the number of incidences

FALSE! DEMOCRATS stopped the Grassley & Cornyn bills because they didn't want Republicans to get credit for gun control.

Well lets see who stops this moving forward

'We'll See': Trump Seems To Cool On Background Checks After Pushing For Them

Just days after expressing interest in passing “meaningful” background check legislation, President Trump appears to have cooled on the idea.

Now he says, "we'll see".

Well then, we will see if we vote for him in 2020

Good.....Maybe someone talked some sense to him........

again...you guys still can't explain what universal background checks do....you know, to stop criminals and mass shooters....you throw out the words, and think, like magic, they actually mean something...

Look.... I can sprinkle pixie dust on a fir tree at midnight the night of a full moon and accomplish as much with that as you can with universal background checks......that is how stupid your idea is...

Though more than 90% of the American public supports background checks for all gun sales, a dangerous and deadly loophole in federal gun laws still exempts unlicensed sellers from having to perform any background check whatsoever before selling a firearm. With this loophole, guns easily find their way into the hands of illegal buyers and gun traffickers, dramatically increasing the likelihood of gun homicides and suicides.

Because of this loophole, domestic abusers, people with violent criminal records, and people prohibited for mental health reasons can easily buy guns from unlicensed sellers with no background check in most states. In fact, an estimated 22% of US gun owners acquired their most recent firearm without a background check1—which translates to millions of Americans acquiring millions of guns, no questions asked, each year.

When background checks are required and properly enforced, they can help keep guns out of dangerous hands.

• Since the federal background check requirement was adopted in 1994, over 3 million people legally prohibited from possessing a gun have been stopped from purchasing a gun or denied a permit to purchase.2 More than 35% of these denials involved people convicted of felony offenses.3
• Background check laws also help prevent guns from being diverted to the illegal gun market. States without universal background check laws export crime guns across state lines at a 30% higher rate than states that require background checks on all gun sales.4

owever, in the absence of a comprehensive background check system, criminals and other prohibited persons routinely exploit the massive loopholes in our laws.

• Around 80% of all firearms acquired for criminal purposes are obtained through transfers from unlicensed sellers,5 and 96% of inmates convicted of gun offenses who were already prohibited from possessing a firearm at the time of the offense obtained their firearm from an unlicensed seller.6
• Individuals who commit crimes with firearms may intentionally seek to purchase guns from sellers who aren’t required to run background checks. Purchasers from Armslist.com, a major online firearms marketplace, were nearly seven times as likely to have a firearm-prohibiting criminal record than people attempting to buy guns from licensed dealers.7 (This is discussed more fully on our page on online gun sales.)

Recent examples show that loopholes in our background check system can have dangerous and deadly consequences.

• In 2018, in Appleton, WI, a man who was prohibited from purchasing a gun because he was out on bond for a firearm-related felony domestic violence case purchased a firearm from an unlicensed seller on Armslist.com without a background check. The next day he used the gun to kill his wife.8
• In 2016, a woman was killed, and their two children shot by an ex-boyfriend, who purchased the gun from an unlicensed seller without a background check. He was prohibited from purchasing a firearm due to a domestic violence restraining order and a pending domestic battery case.9
• In 2014, a gunman in West Virginia killed four people, including his ex-girlfriend, with a gun he purchased from an online seller without a background check. He was prohibited from purchasing firearms due to multiple felony convictions.10

Background checks are easy, convenient, and impose almost no burden on law-abiding gun purchasers.

• In at least 90% of cases, firearm background checks processed through the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) are resolved immediately. The average processing time for an electronic NICS-check is less than two minutes—107 seconds, to be precise.11
• Contrary to gun-lobby claims, background checks rarely provide false-positive results. The FBI’s quality control evaluations suggest that background checks are accurate approximately 99.3 to 99.8% of the time.12

For more than a decade, the vast majority of the American public has supported laws requiring background checks on all firearm purchases,13 with polling data consistently showing that more than 90% of both gun owners and non-gun owners support this policy.14 Strong support for background check laws has also been measured among NRA members, with at least 69% supporting comprehensive background checks.15

Universal background checks are a necessary foundation for any policy that aims to keep firearms out of the hands of abusers and other prohibited people. However, other improvements should also be made in the existing background check system. For further information on how federal and state background checks work, see our pages on Background Check Procedures and Reporting Procedures.

 

[protectionist]

You'll go through the background check and get your guns registered or we will come and get them and then kill your sorry ass. And be glad when you are gone.

Only thing you're killing is your credibility.

 

[protectionist]

Though more than 90% of the American public supports background checks for all gun sales, a dangerous and deadly loophole in federal gun laws still exempts unlicensed sellers from having to perform any background check whatsoever before selling a firearm. With this loophole, guns easily find their way into the hands of illegal buyers and gun traffickers, dramatically increasing the likelihood of gun homicides and suicides.

Because of this loophole, domestic abusers, people with violent criminal records, and people prohibited for mental health reasons can easily buy guns from unlicensed sellers with no background check in most states. In fact, an estimated 22% of US gun owners acquired their most recent firearm without a background check1—which translates to millions of Americans acquiring millions of guns, no questions asked, each year.

When background checks are required and properly enforced, they can help keep guns out of dangerous hands.

• Since the federal background check requirement was adopted in 1994, over 3 million people legally prohibited from possessing a gun have been stopped from purchasing a gun or denied a permit to purchase.2 More than 35% of these denials involved people convicted of felony offenses.3
• Background check laws also help prevent guns from being diverted to the illegal gun market. States without universal background check laws export crime guns across state lines at a 30% higher rate than states that require background checks on all gun sales.4

owever, in the absence of a comprehensive background check system, criminals and other prohibited persons routinely exploit the massive loopholes in our laws.

• Around 80% of all firearms acquired for criminal purposes are obtained through transfers from unlicensed sellers,5 and 96% of inmates convicted of gun offenses who were already prohibited from possessing a firearm at the time of the offense obtained their firearm from an unlicensed seller.6
• Individuals who commit crimes with firearms may intentionally seek to purchase guns from sellers who aren’t required to run background checks. Purchasers from Armslist.com, a major online firearms marketplace, were nearly seven times as likely to have a firearm-prohibiting criminal record than people attempting to buy guns from licensed dealers.7 (This is discussed more fully on our page on online gun sales.)

Recent examples show that loopholes in our background check system can have dangerous and deadly consequences.

• In 2018, in Appleton, WI, a man who was prohibited from purchasing a gun because he was out on bond for a firearm-related felony domestic violence case purchased a firearm from an unlicensed seller on Armslist.com without a background check. The next day he used the gun to kill his wife.8
• In 2016, a woman was killed, and their two children shot by an ex-boyfriend, who purchased the gun from an unlicensed seller without a background check. He was prohibited from purchasing a firearm due to a domestic violence restraining order and a pending domestic battery case.9
• In 2014, a gunman in West Virginia killed four people, including his ex-girlfriend, with a gun he purchased from an online seller without a background check. He was prohibited from purchasing firearms due to multiple felony convictions.10

Background checks are easy, convenient, and impose almost no burden on law-abiding gun purchasers.

• In at least 90% of cases, firearm background checks processed through the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) are resolved immediately. The average processing time for an electronic NICS-check is less than two minutes—107 seconds, to be precise.11
• Contrary to gun-lobby claims, background checks rarely provide false-positive results. The FBI’s quality control evaluations suggest that background checks are accurate approximately 99.3 to 99.8% of the time.12

For more than a decade, the vast majority of the American public has supported laws requiring background checks on all firearm purchases,13 with polling data consistently showing that more than 90% of both gun owners and non-gun owners support this policy.14 Strong support for background check laws has also been measured among NRA members, with at least 69% supporting comprehensive background checks.15

Universal background checks are a necessary foundation for any policy that aims to keep firearms out of the hands of abusers and other prohibited people. However, other improvements should also be made in the existing background check system. For further information on how federal and state background checks work, see our pages on Background Check Procedures and Reporting Procedures.

Biggest problem with mass shootings has been keeping firearms out of the hands of licensed NON-abusers (aka "gun-free zones)

Also, in the Parkland shooting massacre, background checks were not available to the seller of the guns used (by Nicolas Cruz), because of Obama's "Promise Program", which deliberately hid student criminality. This was about as OPPOSITE to the principle of background checks as anything could ever be.

So why don't liberals complain about the Promise Program ?

Ingraham: 'PROMISE Program' Hailed By Obama Admin Led to Florida Schools Ignoring Violent Students

 

[sealybobo]

Though more than 90% of the American public supports background checks for all gun sales, a dangerous and deadly loophole in federal gun laws still exempts unlicensed sellers from having to perform any background check whatsoever before selling a firearm. With this loophole, guns easily find their way into the hands of illegal buyers and gun traffickers, dramatically increasing the likelihood of gun homicides and suicides.

Because of this loophole, domestic abusers, people with violent criminal records, and people prohibited for mental health reasons can easily buy guns from unlicensed sellers with no background check in most states. In fact, an estimated 22% of US gun owners acquired their most recent firearm without a background check1—which translates to millions of Americans acquiring millions of guns, no questions asked, each year.

When background checks are required and properly enforced, they can help keep guns out of dangerous hands.

• Since the federal background check requirement was adopted in 1994, over 3 million people legally prohibited from possessing a gun have been stopped from purchasing a gun or denied a permit to purchase.2 More than 35% of these denials involved people convicted of felony offenses.3
• Background check laws also help prevent guns from being diverted to the illegal gun market. States without universal background check laws export crime guns across state lines at a 30% higher rate than states that require background checks on all gun sales.4

owever, in the absence of a comprehensive background check system, criminals and other prohibited persons routinely exploit the massive loopholes in our laws.

• Around 80% of all firearms acquired for criminal purposes are obtained through transfers from unlicensed sellers,5 and 96% of inmates convicted of gun offenses who were already prohibited from possessing a firearm at the time of the offense obtained their firearm from an unlicensed seller.6
• Individuals who commit crimes with firearms may intentionally seek to purchase guns from sellers who aren’t required to run background checks. Purchasers from Armslist.com, a major online firearms marketplace, were nearly seven times as likely to have a firearm-prohibiting criminal record than people attempting to buy guns from licensed dealers.7 (This is discussed more fully on our page on online gun sales.)

Recent examples show that loopholes in our background check system can have dangerous and deadly consequences.

• In 2018, in Appleton, WI, a man who was prohibited from purchasing a gun because he was out on bond for a firearm-related felony domestic violence case purchased a firearm from an unlicensed seller on Armslist.com without a background check. The next day he used the gun to kill his wife.8
• In 2016, a woman was killed, and their two children shot by an ex-boyfriend, who purchased the gun from an unlicensed seller without a background check. He was prohibited from purchasing a firearm due to a domestic violence restraining order and a pending domestic battery case.9
• In 2014, a gunman in West Virginia killed four people, including his ex-girlfriend, with a gun he purchased from an online seller without a background check. He was prohibited from purchasing firearms due to multiple felony convictions.10

Background checks are easy, convenient, and impose almost no burden on law-abiding gun purchasers.

• In at least 90% of cases, firearm background checks processed through the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) are resolved immediately. The average processing time for an electronic NICS-check is less than two minutes—107 seconds, to be precise.11
• Contrary to gun-lobby claims, background checks rarely provide false-positive results. The FBI’s quality control evaluations suggest that background checks are accurate approximately 99.3 to 99.8% of the time.12

For more than a decade, the vast majority of the American public has supported laws requiring background checks on all firearm purchases,13 with polling data consistently showing that more than 90% of both gun owners and non-gun owners support this policy.14 Strong support for background check laws has also been measured among NRA members, with at least 69% supporting comprehensive background checks.15

Universal background checks are a necessary foundation for any policy that aims to keep firearms out of the hands of abusers and other prohibited people. However, other improvements should also be made in the existing background check system. For further information on how federal and state background checks work, see our pages on Background Check Procedures and Reporting Procedures.

Biggest problem with mass shootings has been keeping firearms out of the hands of licensed NON-abusers (aka "gun-free zones)

Also, in the Parkland shooting massacre, background checks were not available to the seller of the guns used (by Nicolas Cruz), because of Obama's "Promise Program", which deliberately hid student criminality. This was about as OPPOSITE to the principle of background checks as anything could ever be.

So why don't liberals complain about the Promise Program ?

Ingraham: 'PROMISE Program' Hailed By Obama Admin Led to Florida Schools Ignoring Violent Students

We are complaining now. Change it.

 

[Vandalshandle]

Though more than 90% of the American public supports background checks for all gun sales, a dangerous and deadly loophole in federal gun laws still exempts unlicensed sellers from having to perform any background check whatsoever before selling a firearm. With this loophole, guns easily find their way into the hands of illegal buyers and gun traffickers, dramatically increasing the likelihood of gun homicides and suicides.

Because of this loophole, domestic abusers, people with violent criminal records, and people prohibited for mental health reasons can easily buy guns from unlicensed sellers with no background check in most states. In fact, an estimated 22% of US gun owners acquired their most recent firearm without a background check1—which translates to millions of Americans acquiring millions of guns, no questions asked, each year.

When background checks are required and properly enforced, they can help keep guns out of dangerous hands.

• Since the federal background check requirement was adopted in 1994, over 3 million people legally prohibited from possessing a gun have been stopped from purchasing a gun or denied a permit to purchase.2 More than 35% of these denials involved people convicted of felony offenses.3
• Background check laws also help prevent guns from being diverted to the illegal gun market. States without universal background check laws export crime guns across state lines at a 30% higher rate than states that require background checks on all gun sales.4

owever, in the absence of a comprehensive background check system, criminals and other prohibited persons routinely exploit the massive loopholes in our laws.

• Around 80% of all firearms acquired for criminal purposes are obtained through transfers from unlicensed sellers,5 and 96% of inmates convicted of gun offenses who were already prohibited from possessing a firearm at the time of the offense obtained their firearm from an unlicensed seller.6
• Individuals who commit crimes with firearms may intentionally seek to purchase guns from sellers who aren’t required to run background checks. Purchasers from Armslist.com, a major online firearms marketplace, were nearly seven times as likely to have a firearm-prohibiting criminal record than people attempting to buy guns from licensed dealers.7 (This is discussed more fully on our page on online gun sales.)

Recent examples show that loopholes in our background check system can have dangerous and deadly consequences.

• In 2018, in Appleton, WI, a man who was prohibited from purchasing a gun because he was out on bond for a firearm-related felony domestic violence case purchased a firearm from an unlicensed seller on Armslist.com without a background check. The next day he used the gun to kill his wife.8
• In 2016, a woman was killed, and their two children shot by an ex-boyfriend, who purchased the gun from an unlicensed seller without a background check. He was prohibited from purchasing a firearm due to a domestic violence restraining order and a pending domestic battery case.9
• In 2014, a gunman in West Virginia killed four people, including his ex-girlfriend, with a gun he purchased from an online seller without a background check. He was prohibited from purchasing firearms due to multiple felony convictions.10

Background checks are easy, convenient, and impose almost no burden on law-abiding gun purchasers.

• In at least 90% of cases, firearm background checks processed through the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) are resolved immediately. The average processing time for an electronic NICS-check is less than two minutes—107 seconds, to be precise.11
• Contrary to gun-lobby claims, background checks rarely provide false-positive results. The FBI’s quality control evaluations suggest that background checks are accurate approximately 99.3 to 99.8% of the time.12

For more than a decade, the vast majority of the American public has supported laws requiring background checks on all firearm purchases,13 with polling data consistently showing that more than 90% of both gun owners and non-gun owners support this policy.14 Strong support for background check laws has also been measured among NRA members, with at least 69% supporting comprehensive background checks.15

Universal background checks are a necessary foundation for any policy that aims to keep firearms out of the hands of abusers and other prohibited people. However, other improvements should also be made in the existing background check system. For further information on how federal and state background checks work, see our pages on Background Check Procedures and Reporting Procedures.

Biggest problem with mass shootings has been keeping firearms out of the hands of licensed NON-abusers (aka "gun-free zones)

Also, in the Parkland shooting massacre, background checks were not available to the seller of the guns used (by Nicolas Cruz), because of Obama's "Promise Program", which deliberately hid student criminality. This was about as OPPOSITE to the principle of background checks as anything could ever be.

So why don't liberals complain about the Promise Program ?

Ingraham: 'PROMISE Program' Hailed By Obama Admin Led to Florida Schools Ignoring Violent Students

So the NRA is to blame for the biggest problem, which is "gun-free zones". After all, their conventions are "gun-free zones".

 

[protectionist]

We are complaining now. Change it.

Not much complaint; Not very loud; nothing from liberals.

Doing a USMB search by the word Promise in searching titles, I came up with 4 OPs. All of them authored by me >>>

Search Results for Query: Promise | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

 

[protectionist]

So the NRA is to blame for the biggest problem, which is "gun-free zones". After all, their conventions are "gun-free zones".

That's a good one. HAHA HA. What about all the liberals (including Obama) who established these gun-free zones ?

 

[Vandalshandle]

So the NRA is to blame for the biggest problem, which is "gun-free zones". After all, their conventions are "gun-free zones".

That's a good one. HAHA HA. What about all the liberals (including Obama) who established these gun-free zones ?

The NRA should dismember all liberals in it's ranks who are forcing NRA to have gun-free zone conventions!!!!

 

[RealDave]

After 4 attempts to enact gun control legislation, to keep guns away from terrorists, some Democrat Senators (ex. Elizabeth Warren, Chris Murphy) have been blaming Republicans for the failure to get even one bill passed. There are gaping holes with their criticisms, which frankly look like nothing more than pure political bullshit.

1. A new CNN/ORC report shows more support among Republicans (90%) for new anti-terrorist gun control measures than among Democrats (85%).

2. Two of the defeated gun control bills were proposed by Republicans (Grassley and Cornyn), and these were opposed by Democrats.

Despite the pro-gun control efforts by Republicans (responding to the massive new gun control support among Republicans), and even new pro-gun control statements from the NRA, Democrats seem to still be clinging to a political posture that tries to paint Republicans as dangerous gun runners who even are friendly to ISIS.

Chris Murphy(D-CT) had told reporters for The Washington Post: "We've got to make this clear, constant case that Republicans have decided to sell weapons to ISIS."

Outspoken liberal Sen. Elizabeth Warren echoed his sentiment after the votes.
" @ChrisMurphyCT said it right: The @SenateGOP have decided to sell weapons to ISIS," she tweeted.

Harry Reid also chimed in saying >> "Senate Republicans should be embarrassed -- but they are not, because the NRA is happy." - a clear distortion of the truth, since the NRA has endorsed the position to stop gun sales to poeple on terrorist watch lists and no-fly lists.

Also some Republicans (ex. Kelly Ayotte and Mark Kirk) voted for the Democrat (se. Feinstein) sponsored bill.

It appears to me (IMO) that both sides are having trouble getting their bills passed (which even the NRA supports), simply because each side (Democrats & Republicans) don't want the other side's sponsored bill to pass, because they don't want them to get the credit for the reform, and thereby appear to be the heros of the post-Orlando Massacre condition, that we find ourselves in.

Now, a 5th vote attempting to stop terrorists from getting guns is on the horizon, sponsored by yet another Republican, Sen. Susan Collins of Maine. This would be a weaker aiming at people on no-fly lists, and it is said to not have a good chance to pass either.

Maybe they could just pull somebody in, off the street, who is an Independent, to propose the bill.

In any case, Democrats shouldn't be allowed to get away with pinning the blame on Republicans or the NRA, when they (the Democrats) are just as responsible for the bills' defeats. Democrats appear to be just trying to chip away at the national security edge that Republicans have held over them for quite some time.

Senate rejects series of gun measures - CNNPolitics.com

From 2016. You are so desperate to protect your party's support of mass shooting that you have to go back 3 years.

 

[RealDave]

Well moving forward we see it’s the republicans and nra’s fault. They stop common sense legislation. We need background checks and gun registrations and better regulations and no 20 round clips.

These things won’t infringe on your rights and will lower the number of incidences

FALSE! DEMOCRATS stopped the Grassley & Cornyn bills because they didn't want Republicans to get credit for gun control.

Well lets see who stops this moving forward

'We'll See': Trump Seems To Cool On Background Checks After Pushing For Them

Just days after expressing interest in passing “meaningful” background check legislation, President Trump appears to have cooled on the idea.

Now he says, "we'll see".

Well then, we will see if we vote for him in 2020

Good.....Maybe someone talked some sense to him........

again...you guys still can't explain what universal background checks do....you know, to stop criminals and mass shooters....you throw out the words, and think, like magic, they actually mean something...

Look.... I can sprinkle pixie dust on a fir tree at midnight the night of a full moon and accomplish as much with that as you can with universal background checks......that is how stupid your idea is...

So why is your orange hero blabbing about this?

 

[Darkwind]

After 4 attempts to enact gun control legislation, to keep guns away from terrorists, some Democrat Senators (ex. Elizabeth Warren, Chris Murphy) have been blaming Republicans for the failure to get even one bill passed. There are gaping holes with their criticisms, which frankly look like nothing more than pure political bullshit.

1. A new CNN/ORC report shows more support among Republicans (90%) for new anti-terrorist gun control measures than among Democrats (85%).

2. Two of the defeated gun control bills were proposed by Republicans (Grassley and Cornyn), and these were opposed by Democrats.

Despite the pro-gun control efforts by Republicans (responding to the massive new gun control support among Republicans), and even new pro-gun control statements from the NRA, Democrats seem to still be clinging to a political posture that tries to paint Republicans as dangerous gun runners who even are friendly to ISIS.

Chris Murphy(D-CT) had told reporters for The Washington Post: "We've got to make this clear, constant case that Republicans have decided to sell weapons to ISIS."

Outspoken liberal Sen. Elizabeth Warren echoed his sentiment after the votes.
" @ChrisMurphyCT said it right: The @SenateGOP have decided to sell weapons to ISIS," she tweeted.

Harry Reid also chimed in saying >> "Senate Republicans should be embarrassed -- but they are not, because the NRA is happy." - a clear distortion of the truth, since the NRA has endorsed the position to stop gun sales to poeple on terrorist watch lists and no-fly lists.

Also some Republicans (ex. Kelly Ayotte and Mark Kirk) voted for the Democrat (se. Feinstein) sponsored bill.

It appears to me (IMO) that both sides are having trouble getting their bills passed (which even the NRA supports), simply because each side (Democrats & Republicans) don't want the other side's sponsored bill to pass, because they don't want them to get the credit for the reform, and thereby appear to be the heros of the post-Orlando Massacre condition, that we find ourselves in.

Now, a 5th vote attempting to stop terrorists from getting guns is on the horizon, sponsored by yet another Republican, Sen. Susan Collins of Maine. This would be a weaker aiming at people on no-fly lists, and it is said to not have a good chance to pass either.

Maybe they could just pull somebody in, off the street, who is an Independent, to propose the bill.

In any case, Democrats shouldn't be allowed to get away with pinning the blame on Republicans or the NRA, when they (the Democrats) are just as responsible for the bills' defeats. Democrats appear to be just trying to chip away at the national security edge that Republicans have held over them for quite some time.

Senate rejects series of gun measures - CNNPolitics.com

After a quick read of your little link I read this

The result was expected. A fifth option, set to be introduced and voted upon as early as Tuesday by moderate Republican Sen. Susan Collins, has generated more optimism, but still faces long odds at passage.

So moderate Republicans were open to gun legislation but right wingers shot it down.

And then I read this: Sen. Chris Murphy, a Connecticut Democrat who sponsored one of the failed measures expanding background checks, reacted angrily after his provision was defeated.
"I'm mortified by today's vote but I'm not surprised by it," Murphy said Monday evening. "The NRA has a vice-like grip on this place."

I remember this bill last year. Republicans have decided to sell weapons to ISIS.

Outspoken liberal Sen. Elizabeth Warren echoed his sentiment after the votes.
".@ChrisMurphyCT said it right: The @SenateGOP have decided to sell weapons to ISIS," she tweeted.

So you tell us why Republicans shot this down.

Collins, a moderate. What laugh.

So, why was the bill shot down? How about you go read it and tell Me if there were any poison pills in the bill, then get back to us.

We won't wait.

 

[2aguy]

Well moving forward we see it’s the republicans and nra’s fault. They stop common sense legislation. We need background checks and gun registrations and better regulations and no 20 round clips.

These things won’t infringe on your rights and will lower the number of incidences

FALSE! DEMOCRATS stopped the Grassley & Cornyn bills because they didn't want Republicans to get credit for gun control.

Well lets see who stops this moving forward

'We'll See': Trump Seems To Cool On Background Checks After Pushing For Them

Just days after expressing interest in passing “meaningful” background check legislation, President Trump appears to have cooled on the idea.

Now he says, "we'll see".

Well then, we will see if we vote for him in 2020

Good.....Maybe someone talked some sense to him........

again...you guys still can't explain what universal background checks do....you know, to stop criminals and mass shooters....you throw out the words, and think, like magic, they actually mean something...

Look.... I can sprinkle pixie dust on a fir tree at midnight the night of a full moon and accomplish as much with that as you can with universal background checks......that is how stupid your idea is...

Though more than 90% of the American public supports background checks for all gun sales, a dangerous and deadly loophole in federal gun laws still exempts unlicensed sellers from having to perform any background check whatsoever before selling a firearm. With this loophole, guns easily find their way into the hands of illegal buyers and gun traffickers, dramatically increasing the likelihood of gun homicides and suicides.

Because of this loophole, domestic abusers, people with violent criminal records, and people prohibited for mental health reasons can easily buy guns from unlicensed sellers with no background check in most states. In fact, an estimated 22% of US gun owners acquired their most recent firearm without a background check1—which translates to millions of Americans acquiring millions of guns, no questions asked, each year.

When background checks are required and properly enforced, they can help keep guns out of dangerous hands.

• Since the federal background check requirement was adopted in 1994, over 3 million people legally prohibited from possessing a gun have been stopped from purchasing a gun or denied a permit to purchase.2 More than 35% of these denials involved people convicted of felony offenses.3
• Background check laws also help prevent guns from being diverted to the illegal gun market. States without universal background check laws export crime guns across state lines at a 30% higher rate than states that require background checks on all gun sales.4

owever, in the absence of a comprehensive background check system, criminals and other prohibited persons routinely exploit the massive loopholes in our laws.

• Around 80% of all firearms acquired for criminal purposes are obtained through transfers from unlicensed sellers,5 and 96% of inmates convicted of gun offenses who were already prohibited from possessing a firearm at the time of the offense obtained their firearm from an unlicensed seller.6
• Individuals who commit crimes with firearms may intentionally seek to purchase guns from sellers who aren’t required to run background checks. Purchasers from Armslist.com, a major online firearms marketplace, were nearly seven times as likely to have a firearm-prohibiting criminal record than people attempting to buy guns from licensed dealers.7 (This is discussed more fully on our page on online gun sales.)

Recent examples show that loopholes in our background check system can have dangerous and deadly consequences.

• In 2018, in Appleton, WI, a man who was prohibited from purchasing a gun because he was out on bond for a firearm-related felony domestic violence case purchased a firearm from an unlicensed seller on Armslist.com without a background check. The next day he used the gun to kill his wife.8
• In 2016, a woman was killed, and their two children shot by an ex-boyfriend, who purchased the gun from an unlicensed seller without a background check. He was prohibited from purchasing a firearm due to a domestic violence restraining order and a pending domestic battery case.9
• In 2014, a gunman in West Virginia killed four people, including his ex-girlfriend, with a gun he purchased from an online seller without a background check. He was prohibited from purchasing firearms due to multiple felony convictions.10

Background checks are easy, convenient, and impose almost no burden on law-abiding gun purchasers.

• In at least 90% of cases, firearm background checks processed through the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) are resolved immediately. The average processing time for an electronic NICS-check is less than two minutes—107 seconds, to be precise.11
• Contrary to gun-lobby claims, background checks rarely provide false-positive results. The FBI’s quality control evaluations suggest that background checks are accurate approximately 99.3 to 99.8% of the time.12

For more than a decade, the vast majority of the American public has supported laws requiring background checks on all firearm purchases,13 with polling data consistently showing that more than 90% of both gun owners and non-gun owners support this policy.14 Strong support for background check laws has also been measured among NRA members, with at least 69% supporting comprehensive background checks.15

Universal background checks are a necessary foundation for any policy that aims to keep firearms out of the hands of abusers and other prohibited people. However, other improvements should also be made in the existing background check system. For further information on how federal and state background checks work, see our pages on Background Check Procedures and Reporting Procedures.

And that is all a lie.......

90% of Americans don't understand the issue, and you don't want them to understand the issue, you just want to stampede them into giving you power to take away whatever Rights you don't agree with.

Criminals intent on murder are not going to go through a background check.....what part of that do you not understand?

Those 3 million people....are majority people who are not criminals, whose names pinged because they are similar to the names of actual criminals, then they had to go through all the hoops to get their Rights back..

Gun Control Won't Stop Crime

“Universal” Background Checks
Part of the genius of the Bloomberg gun control system is how it creates prohibitions indirectly. Bloomberg’s so-called “universal” background check scheme is a prime example. These bills are never just about having background checks on the private sales of firearms. That aspect is the part that the public is told about. Yet when you read the Bloomberg laws, you find that checks on private sales are the tip of a very large iceberg of gun prohibition.

First, the bills criminalize a vast amount of innocent activity. Suppose you are an nra Certified Instructor teaching an introductory safety class. Under your supervision, students will handle a variety of unloaded firearms. They will learn how different guns have different safeties, and they will learn the safe way to hand a firearm to another person. But thanks to Bloomberg, these classroom firearm lessons are now illegal in Washington state, unless the class takes place at a shooting range.

It’s now also illegal to lend a gun to your friend, so that you can shoot together at a range on your own property. Or to lend a firearm for a week to your neighbor who is being stalked.

Under the Bloomberg system, gun loans are generally forbidden, unless the gun owner and the borrower both go to a gun store first. The store must process the loan as if the store were selling the gun out of its inventory.

Then, when your friend wants to return your gun to you, both of you must go to the gun store again. This time, the store will process that transaction as if you were buying the gun from the store’s inventory. For both the loan and the return of the gun, you will have to pay whatever fees the store charges, and whatever fees the government might charge. The gun store will have to keep a permanent record of you, your friend and the gun, including the gun’s serial number. Depending on the state or city, the government might also keep a permanent record.

In other words, the “background check” law is really a law to expand gun registration—and registration lists are used for confiscation. Consider New York City. In 1967, violent crime in the city was out of control. So the City Council and Mayor John Lindsay required registration of all long guns. The criminals, obviously, did not comply. Thanks to the 1911 Sullivan Act, New York City already had established registration lists for handgun owners.

Then, in 1991, the City Council decided that many lawfully registered firearms were now illegal “assault weapons.” The New York Police Department used the registration lists to ensure that the guns were either surrendered to the government or moved out of the city. When he was mayor of New York City, Bloomberg did the same, after the “assault weapon” law was expanded to cover any rifle or shotgun with an ammunition capacity greater than five rounds.

In Australia and Great Britain—which are often cited as models for the U.S. to follow—registration lists were used for gun confiscation. In Great Britain, this included all handguns; in Australia, handguns over .38 caliber. Both countries banned all semi-automatic or pump-action long guns.

Most American jurisdictions don’t have a comprehensive gun registration system. But even if your state legislature has outlawed gun registration, firearm stores must keep records. Those records could be harvested for future confiscations. Under the Bloomberg system, the store’s list would include not just the guns that the store actually sold, but all the guns (and their owners) that the store processed, for friends or relatives borrowing guns.