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    EPA’s Four-gallon Minimum Mandate

    Yeah good luck enforcing this assholes...I will purposely find a gas station that has this and only put 2 gallons in just to make sure I did things against their law...
     
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    So, let's say I go fill up my lawn mower gas can, which holds two gallons.

    Should I just pump two more gallons on the ground?

    Fuck the EPA. This has nothing to do with the environment; it's corporate welfare for the ethanol industry.

    I thought leftists hated the idea of corporate welfare. Guess it depends on the corporation, huh?

    Obama and his cronies believe the US Treasury is their personal piggy bank for repaying their friends and supporters.

    This is the most corrupt Administration in history.
     
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    Did the Oposter even read the article?
    the rule is to prevent gas stations to have to provide a seperate hose for E10 and E15 gas for those not wishing to have to put E15 gas in their tanks.

    From the linked article:
    The EPA approved E15 for sale in the U.S. using a partial waiver, meaning it is only approved for some vehicles on the road— cars 2001 and later.

    Most of our gasoline contains only 10 percent ethanol. Increasing the ethanol content will harm older vehicles and it is downright dangerous for small engines like those found in boats, lawnmowers, or motorcycles. E15 is like metal in a microwave for a small engine.
     
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    E15 means shittier gas mileage, less power, and higher prices.
    Don't they realize that? Ethanol puts farmers to work, but it makes us pay at the pumps alot more. Try something that will improve performance and I'll back it.
     
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    Yep but E10 reduces our oil imports by 10%
    that is somewhat worthwhile.
     
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    Considering how much fossil fuel is required to produce each gallon of ethanol, not to mention how detrimental ethanol is to most engines, ethanol should. E eliminated altogether. Again, ethanol subsidies have far less to do with environmental concerns than with government subsidies use to pay off big agribusiness.
     
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    Eliminate ethanol and the farmers would still work. But feed would be cheaper, as well as everything else made from corn. But it's all irrelevant, since most corn is GMO now anyhow. And guess who,controls GMO production?
     
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    Agreed. Farmers worked long before ethanol was mandated at the pump.
     
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    Not by 10%, it doesn't. There is less energy in a gallon of ethanol than there is in a gallon of gasoline.

    With only 2/3 the energy of gasoline, ethanol costs more per mile
    The energy of ethanol relative to gasoline
    A. 76,000 = BTU of energy in a gallon of ethanol
    B. 116,090 = BTU of energy in a gallon of gasoline
    C. .655 = 2/3 = GGE of energy in a gallon of ethanol. A / B. (GGE =energy in a gal. of gas)
    D. 1.53 = Gallons of ethanol with the energy of 1 gallon of gasoline. D = B / A.
    The basic story on ethanol mileage and cost
    Some Ethanol proponents claim it doesn't hurt their mileage, but this goes against physics, and you will not find the ethanol lobby making such fraudulent claims--they could be sued. But just to be sure, zFacts analyzed all of EPA's ethanol mileage tests for one year and, big surprise, ethanol gave exactly 2/3 the mileage of gasoline.

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    The USDA tells us that ethanol cost 57¢ more per gallon on average over the last 25 years (and it still does). Put that together with the fact that it takes 1.53 gallons to equal a gallon of gasoline.​

    So E10 will reduce oil imports by 6%.

    Furthermore, ethanol takes more energy to produce that it contains.

    70 Percent More Energy Required to Make Ethanol than Actually is in Ethanol: Cornell
    Adding up the energy costs of corn production and its conversion to ethanol, 131,000 Btu are needed to make 1 gallon of ethanol. One gallon of ethanol has an energy value of only 77,000 Btu. "Put another way," Pimentel said, "about 70 percent more energy is required to produce ethanol than the energy that actually is in ethanol. Every time you make 1 gallon of ethanol, there is a net energy loss of 54,000 Btu."​
     
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    But, but, but....ethanol is better for the environment!!!
     

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