3 Simple Arguments Against the #MeToo Movement

[centerleftFL]

Where to start.

The Me Too movement isn't about you. It's about women finally having the support to come forward with their experiences of men misusing their power and authority to get --or try to get -- sexual favors. If you aren't doing that to anyone, you're good, no worries.

I have to disagree with you there. It may be the case that some women perceive MeToo in this way, but the I think the left as a whole would disagree. Here's one article which appears to endow upon 'all men' the duty of the preventing sexual violence: Not all men are guilty of violence and sexism – but all men have a responsibility to stop those crimes

As I mentioned in my video, some (if not most) of the MeToo stories are basically spiteful rants about non-issues like 'mansplaining' or 'catcalling', that the silent majority of women just aren't overly bothered about.

I dunno. I just got targeted in a thread here yesterday--classic inappropriate sexual remarks to a female, out of the blue-- the majority of women don't appreciate it at all.

Where to start.

The Me Too movement isn't about you. It's about women finally having the support to come forward with their experiences of men misusing their power and authority to get --or try to get -- sexual favors. If you aren't doing that to anyone, you're good, no worries.

I have to disagree with you there. It may be the case that some women perceive MeToo in this way, but the I think the left as a whole would disagree. Here's one article which appears to endow upon 'all men' the duty of the preventing sexual violence: Not all men are guilty of violence and sexism – but all men have a responsibility to stop those crimes

As I mentioned in my video, some (if not most) of the MeToo stories are basically spiteful rants about non-issues like 'mansplaining' or 'catcalling', that the silent majority of women just aren't overly bothered about.

I dunno. I just got targeted in a thread here yesterday--classic inappropriate sexual remarks to a female, out of the blue-- the majority of women don't appreciate it at all.

Men are ALLOWED! You didn't get the memo? Ask Hillary, she knows how it works!

I've even seen the C word here, even reported it. Was told it was allowed. I've never seen that word allowed on any board.

Hang in there ma'am! Don't let the 'bastards' get you down!

 

[gtopa1]

Where to start.

The Me Too movement isn't about you. It's about women finally having the support to come forward with their experiences of men misusing their power and authority to get --or try to get -- sexual favors. If you aren't doing that to anyone, you're good, no worries.

I have to disagree with you there. It may be the case that some women perceive MeToo in this way, but the I think the left as a whole would disagree. Here's one article which appears to endow upon 'all men' the duty of the preventing sexual violence: Not all men are guilty of violence and sexism – but all men have a responsibility to stop those crimes

As I mentioned in my video, some (if not most) of the MeToo stories are basically spiteful rants about non-issues like 'mansplaining' or 'catcalling', that the silent majority of women just aren't overly bothered about.

I dunno. I just got targeted in a thread here yesterday--classic inappropriate sexual remarks to a female, out of the blue-- the majority of women don't appreciate it at all.

Wolf whistling isn't in the same league as calling out for sheilas to ...er...show their privates or get bonked. It is a mistake to link them imo. If one doesn't like being wolf whistled then stay away from Democrats and Union building sites.

"but all men have a responsibility to stop those crimes" ..................NO!! All CITIZENS have an obligation to enact and enforce LAWS that bring perpetrators of those crimes to Justice and ensure that everyone knows that the Law will get them. It is also every Citizen's duty to educate themselves about it.

Greg

It's been a real long time since I got wolf whistled at. LOL That's not a crime, right?

In this particular area, laws are important, but I think it's true that men have an obligation to teach their sons what's right, speak up if a buddy is being a jerk. Isn't that what they mean?

Teaching your own children the Golden Rules is the responsibility of PARENTS...including mothers. Fathers as first educators of sons need to ensure that their sons know that disrespecting women (or anyone for that matter) to ANY degree is immoral and that INCLUDES wolf whistling...something I consider boorish. I recall the time when cads and bounders were considered SCUM by decent men; I say that is STILL the case. Unfortunately, I don't think views of decent men sell media. Why do the "general" public only apply the terms "sluts and whores" to "fallen" women???

Greg

 

[gtopa1]

Where to start.

The Me Too movement isn't about you. It's about women finally having the support to come forward with their experiences of men misusing their power and authority to get --or try to get -- sexual favors. If you aren't doing that to anyone, you're good, no worries.

I have to disagree with you there. It may be the case that some women perceive MeToo in this way, but the I think the left as a whole would disagree. Here's one article which appears to endow upon 'all men' the duty of the preventing sexual violence: Not all men are guilty of violence and sexism – but all men have a responsibility to stop those crimes

As I mentioned in my video, some (if not most) of the MeToo stories are basically spiteful rants about non-issues like 'mansplaining' or 'catcalling', that the silent majority of women just aren't overly bothered about.

I dunno. I just got targeted in a thread here yesterday--classic inappropriate sexual remarks to a female, out of the blue-- the majority of women don't appreciate it at all.

Wolf whistling isn't in the same league as calling out for sheilas to ...er...show their privates or get bonked. It is a mistake to link them imo. If one doesn't like being wolf whistled then stay away from Democrats and Union building sites.

"but all men have a responsibility to stop those crimes" ..................NO!! All CITIZENS have an obligation to enact and enforce LAWS that bring perpetrators of those crimes to Justice and ensure that everyone knows that the Law will get them. It is also every Citizen's duty to educate themselves about it.

Greg

It's been a real long time since I got wolf whistled at. LOL That's not a crime, right?

In this particular area, laws are important, but I think it's true that men have an obligation to teach their sons what's right, speak up if a buddy is being a jerk. Isn't that what they mean?

....and yes; not ONLY an obligation but a duty!!

Greg

 

[EvilWhiteMale]

Hi everyone. I'm relatively new to this forum (although I've lurked around for a little while without posting) but I wanted to share with you my arguments against the feminist '#MeToo' movement which has been circulating since October of last year. Lately there's been plenty of backlash against #MeToo, so I'm curious to know what the general opinion is.

Any feedback on my video (good or bad) is much appreciated!



Here are my three arguments:

1. The #MeToo Movement Lacks a Consistent Standard

What I mean by this is that when we are talking about sexual violence it is an absolute necessity that we draw some lines in the sand. We men especially need to know exactly what behaviour qualifies as appropriate, what behaviour qualifies as inappropriate and what behaviour qualifies as utterly unconscionable. We also need to know what exactly the MeToo movement is taking a stand against. Is MeToo only for rape victims? Or is it for abuse victims more generally, or what? Where is the line drawn?

The problem with MeToo is that the stories posted under its banner cover almost the entire spectrum of sexually undesirable behaviour, ranging from ‘I was raped as a child’ to ‘someone winked at me on the bus’. And almost any negative sexual experience that could possibly be inflicted on a woman, so long as it’s posted alongside that hashtag MeToo, is treated by the left with an almost identical, uniform degree of seriousness.

The truly terrible thing about this line of reasoning is that the voices of real victims - the ones whose stories are backed up with actual, prosecutable evidence - are being drowned out by spiteful feminist rants about ‘mansplaining’ or ‘catcalling’ that don’t accomplish anything. Rape is being trivialised by the MeToo movement. It’s getting to the point where the scope of what qualifies as sexual harassment is so broad that abuse is seen as a banality, something happens to all almost all women at some point in their lives.

(At this point I’d show some rape statistics to prove that there’s no statistical grounds for a moral panic - check the video for these sources).

1. The #MeToo Movement Promotes Victimhood as a Virtue

What I mean by this is that the intended goal of any movement against rape or sexual violence should surely be to end rape or sexual violence, or to at least reduce it. But as MeToo’s founder Tarana Burke said; MeToo is not about producing evidence, finding actual rapists and locking them up, no; it’s about ’empowerment through empathy’.

It’s about women at large coming together and soaking themselves in sympathy. The typical process of MeToo posting goes like this; a woman tweets her story of alleged sexual violence, almost always without naming her assailant or offering any supporting evidence whatsoever, and is then rewarded with adoring comments, likes and retweets. It’s a process that clearly incentivises victimhood with its own reward scheme.

And when rape and sexual assault victims receive such an outpouring of sympathy and attention, it’s only natural that those women who haven’t been raped or assaulted in their lives are going to want a share of the victimhood as well. That’s why we’ve seen the scope of what qualifies as sexually violent behaviour widen to the point that any woman who’s been catcalled on the street is now regarded as equivalent to a victim of rape.

1. The #MeToo Movement Destroys Trust Between Men and Women

So, as I mentioned earlier, the MeToo movement offers no explanation whatsoever as to the boundaries of sexual consent. So long as a woman feels like she’s been abused, regardless of what actually happened, that’s all that matters. But if we men don’t know what is acceptable and what is not, if we don’t know what the rule is, then how are we supposed to abide by the rule?

Former US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice summed this effect up pretty well in my opinion. She said; ‘Let’s not turn women into snowflakes. Let’s not infantilise women. I don’t want it to get to a place where men start to think, well, maybe it’s better to not have women around’.

And she’s exactly right. I mean, it’s getting to the point where a man can’t even lean in for a kiss without the threat of a career-ending accusation surfacing at some point in the future. If this is what sexual relationships are going to be like from now on, then there’s a reasonable argument to be made that men may as well just give up on women completely. It’s just not worth the risk.

So do we have another group of MEN (and a poster?) telling women--you ARE WRONG!

Jesus fucking christ--you just don't get it!

Wow... just wow... You're telling me that because I'm a man I have no right to weigh in with my own opinion? And I thought WE were supposed to be the sexist ones.

 

[gtopa1]

Where to start.

The Me Too movement isn't about you. It's about women finally having the support to come forward with their experiences of men misusing their power and authority to get --or try to get -- sexual favors. If you aren't doing that to anyone, you're good, no worries.

I have to disagree with you there. It may be the case that some women perceive MeToo in this way, but the I think the left as a whole would disagree. Here's one article which appears to endow upon 'all men' the duty of the preventing sexual violence: Not all men are guilty of violence and sexism – but all men have a responsibility to stop those crimes

As I mentioned in my video, some (if not most) of the MeToo stories are basically spiteful rants about non-issues like 'mansplaining' or 'catcalling', that the silent majority of women just aren't overly bothered about.

I dunno. I just got targeted in a thread here yesterday--classic inappropriate sexual remarks to a female, out of the blue-- the majority of women don't appreciate it at all.

Wolf whistling isn't in the same league as calling out for sheilas to ...er...show their privates or get bonked. It is a mistake to link them imo. If one doesn't like being wolf whistled then stay away from Democrats and Union building sites.

"but all men have a responsibility to stop those crimes" ..................NO!! All CITIZENS have an obligation to enact and enforce LAWS that bring perpetrators of those crimes to Justice and ensure that everyone knows that the Law will get them. It is also every Citizen's duty to educate themselves about it.

Greg

It's been a real long time since I got wolf whistled at. LOL That's not a crime, right?

In this particular area, laws are important, but I think it's true that men have an obligation to teach their sons what's right, speak up if a buddy is being a jerk. Isn't that what they mean?

Have you been listening?

Boorish.

Greg

 

[EverCurious]

It is unfortunate that a movement which could have done so much has been twisted into bullshit. IF they had stuck to "supporting" any principles then it might have been useful, instead, just as with BLM, they allow themselves to fall into the rabbit hole of useless conflagration of next morning (or apparently next decade) regrets.

A woman who willingly gets on her knees, gets down on her knees, and no amount of "poor her" #metoo movements will /ever/ change the reality that she was willing to exchange her co-called virtue for a perceived gain. When you mix that kind of thing with /actual/ sexual abuse you render the entire movement worthless.

 

[gtopa1]

Hi everyone. I'm relatively new to this forum (although I've lurked around for a little while without posting) but I wanted to share with you my arguments against the feminist '#MeToo' movement which has been circulating since October of last year. Lately there's been plenty of backlash against #MeToo, so I'm curious to know what the general opinion is.

Any feedback on my video (good or bad) is much appreciated!



Here are my three arguments:

1. The #MeToo Movement Lacks a Consistent Standard

What I mean by this is that when we are talking about sexual violence it is an absolute necessity that we draw some lines in the sand. We men especially need to know exactly what behaviour qualifies as appropriate, what behaviour qualifies as inappropriate and what behaviour qualifies as utterly unconscionable. We also need to know what exactly the MeToo movement is taking a stand against. Is MeToo only for rape victims? Or is it for abuse victims more generally, or what? Where is the line drawn?

The problem with MeToo is that the stories posted under its banner cover almost the entire spectrum of sexually undesirable behaviour, ranging from ‘I was raped as a child’ to ‘someone winked at me on the bus’. And almost any negative sexual experience that could possibly be inflicted on a woman, so long as it’s posted alongside that hashtag MeToo, is treated by the left with an almost identical, uniform degree of seriousness.

The truly terrible thing about this line of reasoning is that the voices of real victims - the ones whose stories are backed up with actual, prosecutable evidence - are being drowned out by spiteful feminist rants about ‘mansplaining’ or ‘catcalling’ that don’t accomplish anything. Rape is being trivialised by the MeToo movement. It’s getting to the point where the scope of what qualifies as sexual harassment is so broad that abuse is seen as a banality, something happens to all almost all women at some point in their lives.

(At this point I’d show some rape statistics to prove that there’s no statistical grounds for a moral panic - check the video for these sources).

1. The #MeToo Movement Promotes Victimhood as a Virtue

What I mean by this is that the intended goal of any movement against rape or sexual violence should surely be to end rape or sexual violence, or to at least reduce it. But as MeToo’s founder Tarana Burke said; MeToo is not about producing evidence, finding actual rapists and locking them up, no; it’s about ’empowerment through empathy’.

It’s about women at large coming together and soaking themselves in sympathy. The typical process of MeToo posting goes like this; a woman tweets her story of alleged sexual violence, almost always without naming her assailant or offering any supporting evidence whatsoever, and is then rewarded with adoring comments, likes and retweets. It’s a process that clearly incentivises victimhood with its own reward scheme.

And when rape and sexual assault victims receive such an outpouring of sympathy and attention, it’s only natural that those women who haven’t been raped or assaulted in their lives are going to want a share of the victimhood as well. That’s why we’ve seen the scope of what qualifies as sexually violent behaviour widen to the point that any woman who’s been catcalled on the street is now regarded as equivalent to a victim of rape.

1. The #MeToo Movement Destroys Trust Between Men and Women

So, as I mentioned earlier, the MeToo movement offers no explanation whatsoever as to the boundaries of sexual consent. So long as a woman feels like she’s been abused, regardless of what actually happened, that’s all that matters. But if we men don’t know what is acceptable and what is not, if we don’t know what the rule is, then how are we supposed to abide by the rule?

Former US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice summed this effect up pretty well in my opinion. She said; ‘Let’s not turn women into snowflakes. Let’s not infantilise women. I don’t want it to get to a place where men start to think, well, maybe it’s better to not have women around’.

And she’s exactly right. I mean, it’s getting to the point where a man can’t even lean in for a kiss without the threat of a career-ending accusation surfacing at some point in the future. If this is what sexual relationships are going to be like from now on, then there’s a reasonable argument to be made that men may as well just give up on women completely. It’s just not worth the risk.

So do we have another group of MEN (and a poster?) telling women--you ARE WRONG!

Jesus fucking christ--you just don't get it!

Get WHAT exactly? Every bad screw is a cause for #metoo??? Be clear on the LAW and ensure Laws are enforced. It's not bloody rocket science!!

Greg

 

[gtopa1]

Where to start.

The Me Too movement isn't about you. It's about women finally having the support to come forward with their experiences of men misusing their power and authority to get --or try to get -- sexual favors. If you aren't doing that to anyone, you're good, no worries.

I have to disagree with you there. It may be the case that some women perceive MeToo in this way, but the I think the left as a whole would disagree. Here's one article which appears to endow upon 'all men' the duty of the preventing sexual violence: Not all men are guilty of violence and sexism – but all men have a responsibility to stop those crimes

As I mentioned in my video, some (if not most) of the MeToo stories are basically spiteful rants about non-issues like 'mansplaining' or 'catcalling', that the silent majority of women just aren't overly bothered about.

I dunno. I just got targeted in a thread here yesterday--classic inappropriate sexual remarks to a female, out of the blue-- the majority of women don't appreciate it at all.

Wolf whistling isn't in the same league as calling out for sheilas to ...er...show their privates or get bonked. It is a mistake to link them imo. If one doesn't like being wolf whistled then stay away from Democrats and Union building sites.

"but all men have a responsibility to stop those crimes" ..................NO!! All CITIZENS have an obligation to enact and enforce LAWS that bring perpetrators of those crimes to Justice and ensure that everyone knows that the Law will get them. It is also every Citizen's duty to educate themselves about it.

Greg

It's been a real long time since I got wolf whistled at. LOL That's not a crime, right?

In this particular area, laws are important, but I think it's true that men have an obligation to teach their sons what's right, speak up if a buddy is being a jerk. Isn't that what they mean?

Have you been listening?

No.

Greg

 

[gtopa1]

Where to start.

The Me Too movement isn't about you. It's about women finally having the support to come forward with their experiences of men misusing their power and authority to get --or try to get -- sexual favors. If you aren't doing that to anyone, you're good, no worries.

I have to disagree with you there. It may be the case that some women perceive MeToo in this way, but the I think the left as a whole would disagree. Here's one article which appears to endow upon 'all men' the duty of the preventing sexual violence: Not all men are guilty of violence and sexism – but all men have a responsibility to stop those crimes

As I mentioned in my video, some (if not most) of the MeToo stories are basically spiteful rants about non-issues like 'mansplaining' or 'catcalling', that the silent majority of women just aren't overly bothered about.

I dunno. I just got targeted in a thread here yesterday--classic inappropriate sexual remarks to a female, out of the blue-- the majority of women don't appreciate it at all.

Which one; I looked but didn't find one that was addressed to you. A couple of really nasty ones but not at you.

Greg

 

[Esmeralda]

Hi everyone. I'm relatively new to this forum (although I've lurked around for a little while without posting) but I wanted to share with you my arguments against the feminist '#MeToo' movement which has been circulating since October of last year. Lately there's been plenty of backlash against #MeToo, so I'm curious to know what the general opinion is.

Any feedback on my video (good or bad) is much appreciated!



Here are my three arguments:

1. The #MeToo Movement Lacks a Consistent Standard

What I mean by this is that when we are talking about sexual violence it is an absolute necessity that we draw some lines in the sand. We men especially need to know exactly what behaviour qualifies as appropriate, what behaviour qualifies as inappropriate and what behaviour qualifies as utterly unconscionable. We also need to know what exactly the MeToo movement is taking a stand against. Is MeToo only for rape victims? Or is it for abuse victims more generally, or what? Where is the line drawn?

The problem with MeToo is that the stories posted under its banner cover almost the entire spectrum of sexually undesirable behaviour, ranging from ‘I was raped as a child’ to ‘someone winked at me on the bus’. And almost any negative sexual experience that could possibly be inflicted on a woman, so long as it’s posted alongside that hashtag MeToo, is treated by the left with an almost identical, uniform degree of seriousness.

The truly terrible thing about this line of reasoning is that the voices of real victims - the ones whose stories are backed up with actual, prosecutable evidence - are being drowned out by spiteful feminist rants about ‘mansplaining’ or ‘catcalling’ that don’t accomplish anything. Rape is being trivialised by the MeToo movement. It’s getting to the point where the scope of what qualifies as sexual harassment is so broad that abuse is seen as a banality, something happens to all almost all women at some point in their lives.

(At this point I’d show some rape statistics to prove that there’s no statistical grounds for a moral panic - check the video for these sources).

1. The #MeToo Movement Promotes Victimhood as a Virtue

What I mean by this is that the intended goal of any movement against rape or sexual violence should surely be to end rape or sexual violence, or to at least reduce it. But as MeToo’s founder Tarana Burke said; MeToo is not about producing evidence, finding actual rapists and locking them up, no; it’s about ’empowerment through empathy’.

It’s about women at large coming together and soaking themselves in sympathy. The typical process of MeToo posting goes like this; a woman tweets her story of alleged sexual violence, almost always without naming her assailant or offering any supporting evidence whatsoever, and is then rewarded with adoring comments, likes and retweets. It’s a process that clearly incentivises victimhood with its own reward scheme.

And when rape and sexual assault victims receive such an outpouring of sympathy and attention, it’s only natural that those women who haven’t been raped or assaulted in their lives are going to want a share of the victimhood as well. That’s why we’ve seen the scope of what qualifies as sexually violent behaviour widen to the point that any woman who’s been catcalled on the street is now regarded as equivalent to a victim of rape.

1. The #MeToo Movement Destroys Trust Between Men and Women

So, as I mentioned earlier, the MeToo movement offers no explanation whatsoever as to the boundaries of sexual consent. So long as a woman feels like she’s been abused, regardless of what actually happened, that’s all that matters. But if we men don’t know what is acceptable and what is not, if we don’t know what the rule is, then how are we supposed to abide by the rule?

Former US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice summed this effect up pretty well in my opinion. She said; ‘Let’s not turn women into snowflakes. Let’s not infantilise women. I don’t want it to get to a place where men start to think, well, maybe it’s better to not have women around’.

And she’s exactly right. I mean, it’s getting to the point where a man can’t even lean in for a kiss without the threat of a career-ending accusation surfacing at some point in the future. If this is what sexual relationships are going to be like from now on, then there’s a reasonable argument to be made that men may as well just give up on women completely. It’s just not worth the risk.

Note that rape statistics do not match the reality of rape. Very often rapes are not reported, for various reasons, but not because they didn't happen, not because the victim 'asked' for it, and not because the victim was not physically and/or emotionally damaged.

The movement doesn't promote victimhood. The purpose is to let our society know what is actually going on while we are all pretending it is not. It is a way to move forward into a future where women can go to work and be treated like any other person instead of having to dodge problems due to men treating them as sexual objects. It means people who have literally been asaulted can speak about it for the first time in their lives though they know nothing can be done about their specific case. It means that people who have experienced these things don't feel alone, that they realize they are believed and supported.

The movement does not cause any problems between men and women who are grown up, mature human beings and it doesn't worry men who are not threated by women.

 

[BULLDOG]

I have to disagree with you there. It may be the case that some women perceive MeToo in this way, but the I think the left as a whole would disagree. Here's one article which appears to endow upon 'all men' the duty of the preventing sexual violence: Not all men are guilty of violence and sexism – but all men have a responsibility to stop those crimes

As I mentioned in my video, some (if not most) of the MeToo stories are basically spiteful rants about non-issues like 'mansplaining' or 'catcalling', that the silent majority of women just aren't overly bothered about.

I dunno. I just got targeted in a thread here yesterday--classic inappropriate sexual remarks to a female, out of the blue-- the majority of women don't appreciate it at all.

Wolf whistling isn't in the same league as calling out for sheilas to ...er...show their privates or get bonked. It is a mistake to link them imo. If one doesn't like being wolf whistled then stay away from Democrats and Union building sites.

"but all men have a responsibility to stop those crimes" ..................NO!! All CITIZENS have an obligation to enact and enforce LAWS that bring perpetrators of those crimes to Justice and ensure that everyone knows that the Law will get them. It is also every Citizen's duty to educate themselves about it.

Greg

It's been a real long time since I got wolf whistled at. LOL That's not a crime, right?

In this particular area, laws are important, but I think it's true that men have an obligation to teach their sons what's right, speak up if a buddy is being a jerk. Isn't that what they mean?

Have you been listening?

No.

Greg

I wasn't responding to you.

 

[gtopa1]

I dunno. I just got targeted in a thread here yesterday--classic inappropriate sexual remarks to a female, out of the blue-- the majority of women don't appreciate it at all.

Wolf whistling isn't in the same league as calling out for sheilas to ...er...show their privates or get bonked. It is a mistake to link them imo. If one doesn't like being wolf whistled then stay away from Democrats and Union building sites.

"but all men have a responsibility to stop those crimes" ..................NO!! All CITIZENS have an obligation to enact and enforce LAWS that bring perpetrators of those crimes to Justice and ensure that everyone knows that the Law will get them. It is also every Citizen's duty to educate themselves about it.

Greg

It's been a real long time since I got wolf whistled at. LOL That's not a crime, right?

In this particular area, laws are important, but I think it's true that men have an obligation to teach their sons what's right, speak up if a buddy is being a jerk. Isn't that what they mean?

Have you been listening?

No.

Greg

I wasn't responding to you.

lol. Open thread. We are amused.

Greg

 

[gtopa1]

Hi everyone. I'm relatively new to this forum (although I've lurked around for a little while without posting) but I wanted to share with you my arguments against the feminist '#MeToo' movement which has been circulating since October of last year. Lately there's been plenty of backlash against #MeToo, so I'm curious to know what the general opinion is.

Any feedback on my video (good or bad) is much appreciated!



Here are my three arguments:

1. The #MeToo Movement Lacks a Consistent Standard

What I mean by this is that when we are talking about sexual violence it is an absolute necessity that we draw some lines in the sand. We men especially need to know exactly what behaviour qualifies as appropriate, what behaviour qualifies as inappropriate and what behaviour qualifies as utterly unconscionable. We also need to know what exactly the MeToo movement is taking a stand against. Is MeToo only for rape victims? Or is it for abuse victims more generally, or what? Where is the line drawn?

The problem with MeToo is that the stories posted under its banner cover almost the entire spectrum of sexually undesirable behaviour, ranging from ‘I was raped as a child’ to ‘someone winked at me on the bus’. And almost any negative sexual experience that could possibly be inflicted on a woman, so long as it’s posted alongside that hashtag MeToo, is treated by the left with an almost identical, uniform degree of seriousness.

The truly terrible thing about this line of reasoning is that the voices of real victims - the ones whose stories are backed up with actual, prosecutable evidence - are being drowned out by spiteful feminist rants about ‘mansplaining’ or ‘catcalling’ that don’t accomplish anything. Rape is being trivialised by the MeToo movement. It’s getting to the point where the scope of what qualifies as sexual harassment is so broad that abuse is seen as a banality, something happens to all almost all women at some point in their lives.

(At this point I’d show some rape statistics to prove that there’s no statistical grounds for a moral panic - check the video for these sources).

1. The #MeToo Movement Promotes Victimhood as a Virtue

What I mean by this is that the intended goal of any movement against rape or sexual violence should surely be to end rape or sexual violence, or to at least reduce it. But as MeToo’s founder Tarana Burke said; MeToo is not about producing evidence, finding actual rapists and locking them up, no; it’s about ’empowerment through empathy’.

It’s about women at large coming together and soaking themselves in sympathy. The typical process of MeToo posting goes like this; a woman tweets her story of alleged sexual violence, almost always without naming her assailant or offering any supporting evidence whatsoever, and is then rewarded with adoring comments, likes and retweets. It’s a process that clearly incentivises victimhood with its own reward scheme.

And when rape and sexual assault victims receive such an outpouring of sympathy and attention, it’s only natural that those women who haven’t been raped or assaulted in their lives are going to want a share of the victimhood as well. That’s why we’ve seen the scope of what qualifies as sexually violent behaviour widen to the point that any woman who’s been catcalled on the street is now regarded as equivalent to a victim of rape.

1. The #MeToo Movement Destroys Trust Between Men and Women

So, as I mentioned earlier, the MeToo movement offers no explanation whatsoever as to the boundaries of sexual consent. So long as a woman feels like she’s been abused, regardless of what actually happened, that’s all that matters. But if we men don’t know what is acceptable and what is not, if we don’t know what the rule is, then how are we supposed to abide by the rule?

Former US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice summed this effect up pretty well in my opinion. She said; ‘Let’s not turn women into snowflakes. Let’s not infantilise women. I don’t want it to get to a place where men start to think, well, maybe it’s better to not have women around’.

And she’s exactly right. I mean, it’s getting to the point where a man can’t even lean in for a kiss without the threat of a career-ending accusation surfacing at some point in the future. If this is what sexual relationships are going to be like from now on, then there’s a reasonable argument to be made that men may as well just give up on women completely. It’s just not worth the risk.

Note that rape statistics do not match the reality of rape. Very often rapes are not reported, for various reasons, but not because they didn't happen, not because the victim 'asked' for it, and not because the victim was not physically and/or emotionally demaged.

That is true. I would hope that ALL rapists get fifty years jail time if not bobbitted as well. So your point is what?

Greg

 

[WinterBorn]

Hi everyone. I'm relatively new to this forum (although I've lurked around for a little while without posting) but I wanted to share with you my arguments against the feminist '#MeToo' movement which has been circulating since October of last year. Lately there's been plenty of backlash against #MeToo, so I'm curious to know what the general opinion is.

Any feedback on my video (good or bad) is much appreciated!



Here are my three arguments:

1. The #MeToo Movement Lacks a Consistent Standard

What I mean by this is that when we are talking about sexual violence it is an absolute necessity that we draw some lines in the sand. We men especially need to know exactly what behaviour qualifies as appropriate, what behaviour qualifies as inappropriate and what behaviour qualifies as utterly unconscionable. We also need to know what exactly the MeToo movement is taking a stand against. Is MeToo only for rape victims? Or is it for abuse victims more generally, or what? Where is the line drawn?

The problem with MeToo is that the stories posted under its banner cover almost the entire spectrum of sexually undesirable behaviour, ranging from ‘I was raped as a child’ to ‘someone winked at me on the bus’. And almost any negative sexual experience that could possibly be inflicted on a woman, so long as it’s posted alongside that hashtag MeToo, is treated by the left with an almost identical, uniform degree of seriousness.

The truly terrible thing about this line of reasoning is that the voices of real victims - the ones whose stories are backed up with actual, prosecutable evidence - are being drowned out by spiteful feminist rants about ‘mansplaining’ or ‘catcalling’ that don’t accomplish anything. Rape is being trivialised by the MeToo movement. It’s getting to the point where the scope of what qualifies as sexual harassment is so broad that abuse is seen as a banality, something happens to all almost all women at some point in their lives.

(At this point I’d show some rape statistics to prove that there’s no statistical grounds for a moral panic - check the video for these sources).

1. The #MeToo Movement Promotes Victimhood as a Virtue

What I mean by this is that the intended goal of any movement against rape or sexual violence should surely be to end rape or sexual violence, or to at least reduce it. But as MeToo’s founder Tarana Burke said; MeToo is not about producing evidence, finding actual rapists and locking them up, no; it’s about ’empowerment through empathy’.

It’s about women at large coming together and soaking themselves in sympathy. The typical process of MeToo posting goes like this; a woman tweets her story of alleged sexual violence, almost always without naming her assailant or offering any supporting evidence whatsoever, and is then rewarded with adoring comments, likes and retweets. It’s a process that clearly incentivises victimhood with its own reward scheme.

And when rape and sexual assault victims receive such an outpouring of sympathy and attention, it’s only natural that those women who haven’t been raped or assaulted in their lives are going to want a share of the victimhood as well. That’s why we’ve seen the scope of what qualifies as sexually violent behaviour widen to the point that any woman who’s been catcalled on the street is now regarded as equivalent to a victim of rape.

1. The #MeToo Movement Destroys Trust Between Men and Women

So, as I mentioned earlier, the MeToo movement offers no explanation whatsoever as to the boundaries of sexual consent. So long as a woman feels like she’s been abused, regardless of what actually happened, that’s all that matters. But if we men don’t know what is acceptable and what is not, if we don’t know what the rule is, then how are we supposed to abide by the rule?

Former US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice summed this effect up pretty well in my opinion. She said; ‘Let’s not turn women into snowflakes. Let’s not infantilise women. I don’t want it to get to a place where men start to think, well, maybe it’s better to not have women around’.

And she’s exactly right. I mean, it’s getting to the point where a man can’t even lean in for a kiss without the threat of a career-ending accusation surfacing at some point in the future. If this is what sexual relationships are going to be like from now on, then there’s a reasonable argument to be made that men may as well just give up on women completely. It’s just not worth the risk.

I disagree with your premise and your points.

#1 - While it would be good so clearly state the standards, I think most men either know or could find out pretty easily. The idea that rape should be prosecuted, but nothing at all can be said of any violations below that, is ridiculous.

Also, the fact that something cannot be prosecuted does not mean it must be accepted. I doubt catcalls will ever be a prosecutable offense. But that doesn't mean women can't complain and can't use their free speech to try and get men to stop.

#1 - It doesn't promote victimhood as a virtue. It celebrates women FINALLY being able to fight back. Do you know how many women in the last 30 or 40 years spoke out against the abuse and then paid the price? How many employees lost their jobs? How many careers were ruined?

Did you know that until 1986 (when the SCOTUS ruled that a work place could be declared hostile or abusive because sexual harassment? Before then, workplace sexual harassment cases were notoriously hard to prosecute. Bosses could threaten to fire a woman unless she gave him what he wanted, and would likely go unpunished. It was rampant until relatively recently. Being able to fight back is a huge deal. Being the only one speaking out makes doing so much more difficult.

#1 - If there is any chance of miscommunication you just ask her. If you aren't sure she wants to be kissed, ask her before you lean in. Of course, if she is your employee it changes things a bit. Then you simply don't kiss her. Period. And don't grope her. Don't make comments about her tits or her ass or whether you think she would give a great blowjob.

 

[Esmeralda]

Hi everyone. I'm relatively new to this forum (although I've lurked around for a little while without posting) but I wanted to share with you my arguments against the feminist '#MeToo' movement which has been circulating since October of last year. Lately there's been plenty of backlash against #MeToo, so I'm curious to know what the general opinion is.

Any feedback on my video (good or bad) is much appreciated!



Here are my three arguments:

1. The #MeToo Movement Lacks a Consistent Standard

What I mean by this is that when we are talking about sexual violence it is an absolute necessity that we draw some lines in the sand. We men especially need to know exactly what behaviour qualifies as appropriate, what behaviour qualifies as inappropriate and what behaviour qualifies as utterly unconscionable. We also need to know what exactly the MeToo movement is taking a stand against. Is MeToo only for rape victims? Or is it for abuse victims more generally, or what? Where is the line drawn?

The problem with MeToo is that the stories posted under its banner cover almost the entire spectrum of sexually undesirable behaviour, ranging from ‘I was raped as a child’ to ‘someone winked at me on the bus’. And almost any negative sexual experience that could possibly be inflicted on a woman, so long as it’s posted alongside that hashtag MeToo, is treated by the left with an almost identical, uniform degree of seriousness.

The truly terrible thing about this line of reasoning is that the voices of real victims - the ones whose stories are backed up with actual, prosecutable evidence - are being drowned out by spiteful feminist rants about ‘mansplaining’ or ‘catcalling’ that don’t accomplish anything. Rape is being trivialised by the MeToo movement. It’s getting to the point where the scope of what qualifies as sexual harassment is so broad that abuse is seen as a banality, something happens to all almost all women at some point in their lives.

(At this point I’d show some rape statistics to prove that there’s no statistical grounds for a moral panic - check the video for these sources).

1. The #MeToo Movement Promotes Victimhood as a Virtue

What I mean by this is that the intended goal of any movement against rape or sexual violence should surely be to end rape or sexual violence, or to at least reduce it. But as MeToo’s founder Tarana Burke said; MeToo is not about producing evidence, finding actual rapists and locking them up, no; it’s about ’empowerment through empathy’.

It’s about women at large coming together and soaking themselves in sympathy. The typical process of MeToo posting goes like this; a woman tweets her story of alleged sexual violence, almost always without naming her assailant or offering any supporting evidence whatsoever, and is then rewarded with adoring comments, likes and retweets. It’s a process that clearly incentivises victimhood with its own reward scheme.

And when rape and sexual assault victims receive such an outpouring of sympathy and attention, it’s only natural that those women who haven’t been raped or assaulted in their lives are going to want a share of the victimhood as well. That’s why we’ve seen the scope of what qualifies as sexually violent behaviour widen to the point that any woman who’s been catcalled on the street is now regarded as equivalent to a victim of rape.

1. The #MeToo Movement Destroys Trust Between Men and Women

So, as I mentioned earlier, the MeToo movement offers no explanation whatsoever as to the boundaries of sexual consent. So long as a woman feels like she’s been abused, regardless of what actually happened, that’s all that matters. But if we men don’t know what is acceptable and what is not, if we don’t know what the rule is, then how are we supposed to abide by the rule?

Former US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice summed this effect up pretty well in my opinion. She said; ‘Let’s not turn women into snowflakes. Let’s not infantilise women. I don’t want it to get to a place where men start to think, well, maybe it’s better to not have women around’.

And she’s exactly right. I mean, it’s getting to the point where a man can’t even lean in for a kiss without the threat of a career-ending accusation surfacing at some point in the future. If this is what sexual relationships are going to be like from now on, then there’s a reasonable argument to be made that men may as well just give up on women completely. It’s just not worth the risk.

Note that rape statistics do not match the reality of rape. Very often rapes are not reported, for various reasons, but not because they didn't happen, not because the victim 'asked' for it, and not because the victim was not physically and/or emotionally demaged.

That is true. I would hope that ALL rapists get fifty years jail time if not bobbitted as well. So your point is what?

Greg

I was responding to his assertion that sexual assault is not realistically represented in the #MeTo posts because the stats for rape are a lot lower. We don't know the actual statistics for rapes because so many are not reported, especially by underage males and females who don't know how to deal with what has happened to them and don't speak about it until years later. For example-- all the Catholic priest sexual abuse allegations, and a recent case of a well known sports coach in the UK. Or the case the the US gymnastics doctor. Young people don't report. And many adult women don't either for various reasons. If #MeToo makes it look like these things happen more often than we thought, I think that is the point of it. And note, it isn't just women signing on to #MeToo.

 

[EverCurious]

You're playing the children and feminist card where it is wrong to be played Esmeralda.

People who are insecure and unsure of the rules don't report - age and gender have nothing to do with it. That is exactly why the rules should be clear. The rules have /not/ been clear, and certainly not these new 'modern' rules the #metoo movement is forwarding - where a guy can't even ask a girl to go to the bar for drinks without it being considered "sexual harassment."

Ambiguous rules and "ethics" within a movement like this undermine the purpose of it and render it completely useless - it has become nothing because it was open to the public and all the "individual" and "personal" ideas of what sexual assault, rape, sexual harassment might be - and yeah that includes a woman being offended and feeling "sexually harassed" by a guy saying her hair looked nice.

So as nice as it is to think this is a "worthy" cause to support, they fucked it up by allowing "diversity" of "emotional opinion." Find a /real/ organized rape victim charity/group and put your efforts there because they are wasted on #metoo.

 

[Tilly]

I'm saying women were reduced to objects to be used, and there wasn't much they could do about it.

Dear God! There was plenty they could have done about it.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Where to start.

The Me Too movement isn't about you. It's about women finally having the support to come forward with their experiences of men misusing their power and authority to get --or try to get -- sexual favors. If you aren't doing that to anyone, you're good, no worries.

I have to disagree with you there. It may be the case that some women perceive MeToo in this way, but the I think the left as a whole would disagree. Here's one article which appears to endow upon 'all men' the duty of the preventing sexual violence: Not all men are guilty of violence and sexism – but all men have a responsibility to stop those crimes

As I mentioned in my video, some (if not most) of the MeToo stories are basically spiteful rants about non-issues like 'mansplaining' or 'catcalling', that the silent majority of women just aren't overly bothered about.

Amazing...men are such victims, aren't they?

No. If you watched my video, you'd know that I disagree with the victimhood ideology of the left. What I'm saying is that there's no statistical grounds for a moral panic. Sexual violence has declined 60% from 1995-2010.

Where to start.

The Me Too movement isn't about you. It's about women finally having the support to come forward with their experiences of men misusing their power and authority to get --or try to get -- sexual favors. If you aren't doing that to anyone, you're good, no worries.

I have to disagree with you there. It may be the case that some women perceive MeToo in this way, but the I think the left as a whole would disagree. Here's one article which appears to endow upon 'all men' the duty of the preventing sexual violence: Not all men are guilty of violence and sexism – but all men have a responsibility to stop those crimes

As I mentioned in my video, some (if not most) of the MeToo stories are basically spiteful rants about non-issues like 'mansplaining' or 'catcalling', that the silent majority of women just aren't overly bothered about.

Yes,all men have a moral responsibility to help stop harassment. It's the only moral thing to do. You do know what morality is, don't you?

I can get behind that sentiment. What I take issue is with is the sly insinuation that all men are somehow responsible for people like Harvey Weinstein. That if we'd only stepped up and taken a stand, things would be okay. It's one thing to talk about endowing people with this responsibility, but why should it be men only who have this burden? If you're a woman, shouldn't you have the responsibility to prevent sexual violence too?

Maybe you haven't heard about identity politics. All white people are responsible for owning slaves.

The Origin of Black-on-Black Crime

All slaves not born here had participated in African slave hunts until they themselves got captured.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Hi everyone. I'm relatively new to this forum (although I've lurked around for a little while without posting) but I wanted to share with you my arguments against the feminist '#MeToo' movement which has been circulating since October of last year. Lately there's been plenty of backlash against #MeToo, so I'm curious to know what the general opinion is.

Any feedback on my video (good or bad) is much appreciated!



Here are my three arguments:

1. The #MeToo Movement Lacks a Consistent Standard

What I mean by this is that when we are talking about sexual violence it is an absolute necessity that we draw some lines in the sand. We men especially need to know exactly what behaviour qualifies as appropriate, what behaviour qualifies as inappropriate and what behaviour qualifies as utterly unconscionable. We also need to know what exactly the MeToo movement is taking a stand against. Is MeToo only for rape victims? Or is it for abuse victims more generally, or what? Where is the line drawn?

The problem with MeToo is that the stories posted under its banner cover almost the entire spectrum of sexually undesirable behaviour, ranging from ‘I was raped as a child’ to ‘someone winked at me on the bus’. And almost any negative sexual experience that could possibly be inflicted on a woman, so long as it’s posted alongside that hashtag MeToo, is treated by the left with an almost identical, uniform degree of seriousness.

The truly terrible thing about this line of reasoning is that the voices of real victims - the ones whose stories are backed up with actual, prosecutable evidence - are being drowned out by spiteful feminist rants about ‘mansplaining’ or ‘catcalling’ that don’t accomplish anything. Rape is being trivialised by the MeToo movement. It’s getting to the point where the scope of what qualifies as sexual harassment is so broad that abuse is seen as a banality, something happens to all almost all women at some point in their lives.

(At this point I’d show some rape statistics to prove that there’s no statistical grounds for a moral panic - check the video for these sources).

1. The #MeToo Movement Promotes Victimhood as a Virtue

What I mean by this is that the intended goal of any movement against rape or sexual violence should surely be to end rape or sexual violence, or to at least reduce it. But as MeToo’s founder Tarana Burke said; MeToo is not about producing evidence, finding actual rapists and locking them up, no; it’s about ’empowerment through empathy’.

It’s about women at large coming together and soaking themselves in sympathy. The typical process of MeToo posting goes like this; a woman tweets her story of alleged sexual violence, almost always without naming her assailant or offering any supporting evidence whatsoever, and is then rewarded with adoring comments, likes and retweets. It’s a process that clearly incentivises victimhood with its own reward scheme.

And when rape and sexual assault victims receive such an outpouring of sympathy and attention, it’s only natural that those women who haven’t been raped or assaulted in their lives are going to want a share of the victimhood as well. That’s why we’ve seen the scope of what qualifies as sexually violent behaviour widen to the point that any woman who’s been catcalled on the street is now regarded as equivalent to a victim of rape.

1. The #MeToo Movement Destroys Trust Between Men and Women

So, as I mentioned earlier, the MeToo movement offers no explanation whatsoever as to the boundaries of sexual consent. So long as a woman feels like she’s been abused, regardless of what actually happened, that’s all that matters. But if we men don’t know what is acceptable and what is not, if we don’t know what the rule is, then how are we supposed to abide by the rule?

Former US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice summed this effect up pretty well in my opinion. She said; ‘Let’s not turn women into snowflakes. Let’s not infantilise women. I don’t want it to get to a place where men start to think, well, maybe it’s better to not have women around’.

And she’s exactly right. I mean, it’s getting to the point where a man can’t even lean in for a kiss without the threat of a career-ending accusation surfacing at some point in the future. If this is what sexual relationships are going to be like from now on, then there’s a reasonable argument to be made that men may as well just give up on women completely. It’s just not worth the risk.

So do we have another group of MEN (and a poster?) telling women--you ARE WRONG!

Jesus fucking christ--you just don't get it!

There's No Ducking the Dyke Dynasty

The Lesbian leaders of "Feminism" want men to quit approaching women altogether, hoping the women will come running to them out of sexual frustration.

 

[bodecea]

Hi everyone. I'm relatively new to this forum (although I've lurked around for a little while without posting) but I wanted to share with you my arguments against the feminist '#MeToo' movement which has been circulating since October of last year. Lately there's been plenty of backlash against #MeToo, so I'm curious to know what the general opinion is.

Any feedback on my video (good or bad) is much appreciated!



Here are my three arguments:

1. The #MeToo Movement Lacks a Consistent Standard

What I mean by this is that when we are talking about sexual violence it is an absolute necessity that we draw some lines in the sand. We men especially need to know exactly what behaviour qualifies as appropriate, what behaviour qualifies as inappropriate and what behaviour qualifies as utterly unconscionable. We also need to know what exactly the MeToo movement is taking a stand against. Is MeToo only for rape victims? Or is it for abuse victims more generally, or what? Where is the line drawn?

The problem with MeToo is that the stories posted under its banner cover almost the entire spectrum of sexually undesirable behaviour, ranging from ‘I was raped as a child’ to ‘someone winked at me on the bus’. And almost any negative sexual experience that could possibly be inflicted on a woman, so long as it’s posted alongside that hashtag MeToo, is treated by the left with an almost identical, uniform degree of seriousness.

The truly terrible thing about this line of reasoning is that the voices of real victims - the ones whose stories are backed up with actual, prosecutable evidence - are being drowned out by spiteful feminist rants about ‘mansplaining’ or ‘catcalling’ that don’t accomplish anything. Rape is being trivialised by the MeToo movement. It’s getting to the point where the scope of what qualifies as sexual harassment is so broad that abuse is seen as a banality, something happens to all almost all women at some point in their lives.

(At this point I’d show some rape statistics to prove that there’s no statistical grounds for a moral panic - check the video for these sources).

1. The #MeToo Movement Promotes Victimhood as a Virtue

What I mean by this is that the intended goal of any movement against rape or sexual violence should surely be to end rape or sexual violence, or to at least reduce it. But as MeToo’s founder Tarana Burke said; MeToo is not about producing evidence, finding actual rapists and locking them up, no; it’s about ’empowerment through empathy’.

It’s about women at large coming together and soaking themselves in sympathy. The typical process of MeToo posting goes like this; a woman tweets her story of alleged sexual violence, almost always without naming her assailant or offering any supporting evidence whatsoever, and is then rewarded with adoring comments, likes and retweets. It’s a process that clearly incentivises victimhood with its own reward scheme.

And when rape and sexual assault victims receive such an outpouring of sympathy and attention, it’s only natural that those women who haven’t been raped or assaulted in their lives are going to want a share of the victimhood as well. That’s why we’ve seen the scope of what qualifies as sexually violent behaviour widen to the point that any woman who’s been catcalled on the street is now regarded as equivalent to a victim of rape.

1. The #MeToo Movement Destroys Trust Between Men and Women

So, as I mentioned earlier, the MeToo movement offers no explanation whatsoever as to the boundaries of sexual consent. So long as a woman feels like she’s been abused, regardless of what actually happened, that’s all that matters. But if we men don’t know what is acceptable and what is not, if we don’t know what the rule is, then how are we supposed to abide by the rule?

Former US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice summed this effect up pretty well in my opinion. She said; ‘Let’s not turn women into snowflakes. Let’s not infantilise women. I don’t want it to get to a place where men start to think, well, maybe it’s better to not have women around’.

And she’s exactly right. I mean, it’s getting to the point where a man can’t even lean in for a kiss without the threat of a career-ending accusation surfacing at some point in the future. If this is what sexual relationships are going to be like from now on, then there’s a reasonable argument to be made that men may as well just give up on women completely. It’s just not worth the risk.

So do we have another group of MEN (and a poster?) telling women--you ARE WRONG!

Jesus fucking christ--you just don't get it!

There's No Ducking the Dyke Dynasty

The Lesbian leaders of "Feminism" want men to quit approaching women altogether, hoping the women will come running to them out of sexual frustration.

Well, if men can't satisfy them and they are tired of faking orgasms..............................