3 issues neither Obama nor Romney touched in their debates, why?

[4Horsemen]

1. Actual concrete solutions to get the Economy going
2. Immigration refrorm
3. NDAA

All you saw was a Popularity Contest. that's it. both Men cheezin at the crowd in various ways to win them over.

Best Dressed - Obama
Best Presence on stage- Romney
Best dresssed wife - Tie

Shit lke that. nothing really discussed on that reality show.

 

[jwoodie]

Ndaa?

 

[4Horsemen]

Ndaa?

National Defense Authorization Act.
National Defense Authorization Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


It gives Obama the power to seize your home if he so chooses.

 

[beretta304]

1. Actual concrete solutions to get the Economy going
2. Immigration refrorm
3. NDAA

All you saw was a Popularity Contest. that's it. both Men cheezin at the crowd in various ways to win them over.

Best Dressed - Obama
Best Presence on stage- Romney
Best dresssed wife - Tie

Shit lke that. nothing really discussed on that reality show.

Exactly right. He resonated with the Comedy Central crowd, pandered to the Latinos and duped the blacks into voting based on race only. The issues be damned.


Romney may not have been specific enough or clear enough but he did try to talk about the economy. It's a tough sell when you have to defend yourself daily over pressing issues like a dog on the car roof and holding down a classmate 45 years ago and cutting a lock of his hair and other profoundly deep issues that matter.

 

[BreezeWood]

... in their debates, why?

the problem may have been the format - did the moderators ask them their opinions on those subjects ?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Romney Ryan were pretty clear that tax reform, spending cuts and repeal Obamacare would help economic growth.

Don't know how you missed that

 

[BlindBoo]

1. Actual concrete solutions to get the Economy going
2. Immigration refrorm
3. NDAA

All you saw was a Popularity Contest. that's it. both Men cheezin at the crowd in various ways to win them over.

Best Dressed - Obama
Best Presence on stage- Romney
Best dresssed wife - Tie

Shit lke that. nothing really discussed on that reality show.

Same as it ever was.....

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[4Horsemen]

... in their debates, why?

the problem may have been the format - did the moderators ask them their opinions on those subjects ?

so 3 perfectly staged debates is what we all saw? I can see that.

 

[4Horsemen]

Romney Ryan were pretty clear that tax reform, spending cuts and repeal Obamacare would help economic growth.

Don't know how you missed that

I missed it because they probably said it in 2 bits of a whole spill. they didn't harp on it as they should have that's for gotdamn sure.

 

[waltky]

Congress Abandoning 5th Amendment...

Congress Is Quietly Abandoning the 5th Amendment
Dec 20 2012, Meet the prominent legislators who think it's okay to throw Americans in jail forever without charges or trial.

What everyone must understand is that American politics doesn't work the way you'd think it would. Most people presume that government officials would never willfully withhold penicillin from men with syphilis just to see what would happen if the disease went untreated. It seems unlikely that officers would coerce enlisted men into exposing themselves to debilitating nerve gas. Few expected that President Obama would preside over the persecution of an NSA whistle-blower, or presume the guilt of all military-aged males killed by U.S. drone strikes. But it all happened. Really thinking about all that may make it easier to believe what I'm about to tell you.

It may seem like imprisoning an American citizen without charges or trial transgresses against the United States Constitution and basic norms of Western justice dating back to the Magna Carta. It may seem like reiterating the right to due process contained in the 5th Amendment would be uncontroversial. It may seem like a United States senator would be widely ridiculed for suggesting that American citizens can be imprisoned indefinitely without chargers or trial, and that if numerous U.S. senators took that position, the press would treat the issue with at least as much urgency as "the fiscal cliff" or the possibility of a new assault weapons bill or likely nominees for Cabinet posts.

It may seem like the American citizens who vocally fret about the importance of adhering to the text of the Constitution would object as loudly as anyone to the prospect of indefinite detention. But it isn't so. The casual news consumer cannot rely on those seemingly reasonable heuristics to signal that very old norms are giving way, that important protections are being undermined, perhaps decisively. We've lost the courage of our convictions -- we're that scared of terrorism (or of seeming soft on it).

News junkies likely know that I'm alluding to a specific law that has passed both the Senate and the House, and is presently in a conference committee, where lawmakers reconcile the two versions. Observers once worried that the law would permit the indefinite detention of American citizens, or at least force them to rely on uncertain court challenges if unjustly imprisoned. In response, Senator Dianne Feinstein tried to allay these concerns with an amendment:

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[waltky]

Will the next step be to extend this to the civilian population?...

Commanders, others can ask troops about privately owned guns
January 8, 2013 - Commanders, chaplains and health professionals are now specifically authorized to ask troops they think are at risk for hurting themselves or others about privately owned firearms.

The authorization is part of the 2013 National Defense Authorization Act, which contains provisions dealing with numerous new or amended policies concerning, among other things, sexual assault, abortion, detainee operations and suicide. The measure dealing with privately owned firearms clarifies a provision — backed by the National Rifle Association — in the 2011 Defense Authorization Act that prohibited collecting information from troops about their firearms. Some commanders and mental health professionals were concerned that it forbade inquiries about firearms, the most common and by far the most lethal method used by servicemembers to take their own lives.

The Defense Department has made little headway in reducing the suicide rate, which had been lower in the military than in the civilian population. In recent years, for unknown reasons, the rate has soared among soldiers. The new provision also requires the Defense Department to create a position to oversee all suicide prevention programs and to create a comprehensive program for the military, instead of leaving the services to devise a mix of programs. The 2011 measure had been criticized by suicide prevention experts and dozens of general officers, including retired Gen. Pete Chiarelli, then Army vice chief of staff. By fall, a provision to clarify the right of commanders and others to ask troops about their firearms had gained broad congressional support.

The 2013 provision was lauded by suicide experts. “It is great that the provision now specifically allows commanders to speak with troops about their privately owned firearms, not only because it addresses language that previously had a chilling effect on potentially life-saving discussions, but also because it affirms that asking is right and responsible behavior,” said Dr. Matthew Miller at the Harvard School of Public Health.

Miller, associate director of the Harvard Injury Control Research Center, whose research has demonstrated that suicide is often an impulsive act that can be prevented by making the means to commit it more difficult, also praised Chiarelli, who was among the first military leaders to speak out about the impact of firearms on military suicides. At least two year ago, he had sought to ensure that commanders could ask potentially suicidal soldiers about firearms and recommend that they remove the weapon from their home until suicidal feelings passed. “Gen. Chiarelli has been the model of a concerned, thoughtful, data-driven leader,” Miller said. “His efforts to protect his troops in this regard are as heroic and as central to his estimable leadership as what he had done to earn his four stars beforehand.” The NRA said it did not oppose the revision.

Source

 

[JoeB131]

Ndaa?

National Defense Authorization Act.
National Defense Authorization Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


It gives Obama the power to seize your home if he so chooses.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Romney Ryan were pretty clear that tax reform, spending cuts and repeal Obamacare would help economic growth.

Don't know how you missed that

I missed it because they probably said it in 2 bits of a whole spill. they didn't harp on it as they should have that's for gotdamn sure.

I agree.

It was in the fine print

 

[JoeB131]

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Exactly right. He resonated with the Comedy Central crowd, pandered to the Latinos and duped the blacks into voting based on race only. The issues be damned.


Romney may not have been specific enough or clear enough but he did try to talk about the economy. It's a tough sell when you have to defend yourself daily over pressing issues like a dog on the car roof and holding down a classmate 45 years ago and cutting a lock of his hair and other profoundly deep issues that matter.

If you think that's why your boy Romney lost, you are delusional.

Romney lost because he came out with the "I've got mine, fuck you" mentality that has taken over the GOP.

If it weren't for racism, Romney would have lost 49 states.