3% extra tax for health insurance

[Pho_King]

http://assets.opencrs.com/rpts/RL34175_20070917.pdf
OECD Health Data 2011 - Frequently Requested Data
==Academic standards show America has worse healthcare then other countries.
USA compared to government health care. (all statistics are per capita).
Where America is worse.
1) America has 50% more Medical errors.
2) America is worst in preventable deaths. If America was like government health care 200,000 people would be saved a year.
3) America has 2 million more medical bankruptcies compared to 0.
4) America has 26% less doctors.
5) America has 4% less nurses.
6) America has 46% less hospital beds.
7) America saw half the life expectancy change than countries who changed to government health care.
8) Infant mortality rates are 17% higher in America.
9) America has 100% less Psychiatric care beds.
10) America has 20% less people who go to hospitals.
11) America has 26% more years of life lost due to medical reasons.
12) America has 40% more Respiratory deaths
13) US Tuberculosis treatment success is 10% less
14) 50% more infant deaths
15) 30% more asthma deaths
16) 40% more years lost due to medical conditions
17) 100% more diabetes deaths
15) 50% more deaths by children taken to a hospital for a medical reason

that is not astounding that is pathedic

And you got that all out of a study on health care spending that nowhere deals with quality of care. Now that is pathetic.

Whats pathedic is that you can't even read

I can spell though.

 

[BillyV]

A 3% flat tax is what my health insurance costs and then everyone is covered.
Would you have accepted that deal? A 3% flat tax increase on income and then you dont have to think about health insurance.

This is the deal I have through taxes: a 3% flat tax covers HC for everyone

If you earn 0 you pay 0
If you earn 10.000$ you’ve to pay 300$ for HI pr. year
If you earn 50.000$ you’ve to pay 1500$ for HI pr. year
If you earn 100.000$ you’ve to pay 3000$ for HI pr. year
If you earn 1.000.000$ you’ve to pay:30.000$ for HI pr. year
If you earn.100.000.000$ you’ve to pay:3.000.000$ for HI pr year.(3 million $ year).

Would this deal been good for you?

Don’t you ever feel badly about having someone else pay for your health care? Being supported for so basic a need by one of your own countrymen just because they, through hard work or innovation or just plain luck, earn more than you? Do you think you are paying your “fair share”?
And for the record – no, this deal would not be a benefit to me.

 

[Pho_King]

Quality. In terms of quality of health care, a five-country study found that each
of the five countries studied (the United States, Canada, the United Kingdom,
Australia, and New Zealand) had the best and worst health outcomes on at least one
measure, but no country emerged as a clear quality leader. For example, the United
States had the highest breast cancer survival rate but the lowest kidney transplant
survival rate. A six-country study (the United States, Canada, the United Kingdom,
Australia, New Zealand, and Germany) found that Americans were most likely to
report receiving specific recommended preventive services for diabetic and
hypertensive patients, but were most likely to complain that their doctor did not
spend enough time with them and did not have a chance to answer all of their
questions.



Wait Times. The United States is one of eight countries in which wait times
for elective surgery are reported to be low. In a recent survey, a quarter to a third of
respondents in Canada, the United Kingdom, and Australia reported waiting more
than four months for a non-emergency procedure, compared with only 5% of
Americans. In terms of doctor visits to primary care physicians, a five-country survey found that Americans had the greatest difficulty getting care on nights and
weekends and were the most likely to forgo care because of cost.

http://assets.opencrs.com/rpts/RL34175_20070917.pdf

seems to me, you BOTH need to read.

Outcomes varied from country to country depending on the condition the patient suffered from. Some countries seem to be better at treating certain conditions while others seem better at treating other conditions.

None of this data is either damning or upholding the American health care system. It is simply pointing out comparisons on a data point to data point basis.

That being said, one would expect as we pay nearly three times as much per person for health care in this country, our system OUGHT to stand out well above the rest. As we do not, the logical conclusion is that on a cost basis alone, we are not getting the results we pay for, while other countries are paying less and achieving similar results.

well, that is one conclusion that may be drawn. Of course, one should consider that there may be factors driving up the cost to Americans that other countries do not experience to the same extent. I just spent two weeks in Tangier, Spain, Corsica, and Italy. I saw lots and lots of very fit, active people. You could easily tell the Americans by our waistlines, and by our heavy breathing. So, there are more logical conclusions to draw, indeed ones that may greatly impact the one you have drawn, if one simply digs a bit deeper into the issue....

 

[BillyV]

Here go with the same old tired accuses to keep the status quo.
Let me ask you folks this. All the wealthy indistrial nations (except the US), negoiates their countries costs with healthcare providers and the net result is the cost per capita is much, much lower than the US's. Would anyone here go for that approach to make heathcare more affordable for individuals and businesses?

So it is your premise that a US healthcare provider like United Healthcare, who “contracts directly with more than 650,000 physicians and care professionals and 5,000 hospitals nationwide..…[and] serves more than 38 million people” (uhc.com) has less negotiating power than, say, Scandinavia (“The total population of the Nordic countries currently is approximately 25,251,000.” About.com). I don’t think so. Those countries benefit from the profit already earned by medical providers and drug companies in the US and keep costs low by rationing service, nothing more.

 

[BillyV]

Is that why Germany was the first country to cue aids and diabetes in two different people?Or why Spain had the first face transplant, or the first non invasive treatment for carpal tunnel?
I hear all the time how innovative America is in health care yet there is no evidence that it is. So plz come back when you can do something other then spew out bullshit talking points that have no basis in reality
furthermore 55% of new drugs are developed by the American government that is some really weird definition of the private sector you've got

What is ridiculous is that you think having a health care system that actuall treats sick people is ridiculous

Less then waiting in America. So i repeat come back when you can post something other then debunked talking points

Waiting in America? If there is no critical need, the wait is inconsequential. If the need is critical, the wait is nonexistent.

What are you talking about?

I'm talking about facts not some bullshit you heard from some right-wiong goon
Canada outranks U.S. in healthcare report card | Reuters

The World Health Organization ranked the US as the number 1 health system for responsiveness. On some other counts it didn't do as well, but frankly, many of those other measures are either about fairness or some other subjective measure.

http://www.who.int/whr/2000/en/whr00_annex_en.pdf

 

[tjvh]

A 3% flat tax is what my health insurance costs and then everyone is covered.
Would you have accepted that deal? A 3% flat tax increase on income and then you dont have to think about health insurance.

This is the deal I have through taxes: a 3% flat tax covers HC for everyone

If you earn 0 you pay 0
If you earn 10.000$ you’ve to pay 300$ for HI pr. year
If you earn 50.000$ you’ve to pay 1500$ for HI pr. year
If you earn 100.000$ you’ve to pay 3000$ for HI pr. year
If you earn 1.000.000$ you’ve to pay:30.000$ for HI pr. year
If you earn.100.000.000$ you’ve to pay:3.000.000$ for HI pr year.(3 million $ year).

Would this deal been good for you?

Nope... I don't think ANYONE should be required to pay for other people's Health care, unless of course it's their OWN husband, wife, or kids.

 

[Euro]

Itd be a shitty deal for me and my wife. our insurance costs us less, and gives us great coverage.

Are you comfortable with big banks and insurance companies having a straw in your wallet making huge profits on yourt health insurance?

yes. my primary concerns with any service or product are the price I pay and the quality I receive. I have absolute confidence that taking the private sector out and replacing it with a government control will have a negative impact on both concerns.

I can buy a private insurance that can get me in front in the queue. I will get a tax-credit if I do so. Many of the big employers offers private healtcare and gets tax-credit for it.

The only negative is that if you earn more than average income you’ll have to pay more in taxes than you pay for health insurance.

 

[American Horse]

Itd be a shitty deal for me and my wife. our insurance costs us less, and gives us great coverage.

Are you comfortable with big banks and insurance companies having a straw in your wallet making huge profits on yourt health insurance?

Not sure why you brought up banking, but health insurance companies run among the lowest profit margins of any industry. Apple, Coke, etc run HUGE profit margins by comparison. And yes, I would much rather do business with entities that must face the consequences of a free people choosing to spend their own money (or not) in a free market.

And those few percentage points of earnings are small compared to the waste and fraud intrinsic to our state run system called Medicare, which is operating at a huge loss. The Medicare rate applied to all income (no upper limit) is 2.8-pct which is just a little less Euro, than your proposed 3-pct.

 

[Pho_King]

Are you comfortable with big banks and insurance companies having a straw in your wallet making huge profits on yourt health insurance?

yes. my primary concerns with any service or product are the price I pay and the quality I receive. I have absolute confidence that taking the private sector out and replacing it with a government control will have a negative impact on both concerns.

I can buy a private insurance that can get me in front in the queue. I will get a tax-credit if I do so. Many of the big employers offers private healtcare and gets tax-credit for it.

The only negative is that if you earn more than average income you’ll have to pay more in taxes than you pay for health insurance.

Our income is higher than average. And our premiums are fairly low. my quality of care has been outstanding. Why would I want to change?

 

[Euro]

A 3% flat tax is what my health insurance costs and then everyone is covered.
Would you have accepted that deal? A 3% flat tax increase on income and then you dont have to think about health insurance.

This is the deal I have through taxes: a 3% flat tax covers HC for everyone

If you earn 0 you pay 0
If you earn 10.000$ you’ve to pay 300$ for HI pr. year
If you earn 50.000$ you’ve to pay 1500$ for HI pr. year
If you earn 100.000$ you’ve to pay 3000$ for HI pr. year
If you earn 1.000.000$ you’ve to pay:30.000$ for HI pr. year
If you earn.100.000.000$ you’ve to pay:3.000.000$ for HI pr year.(3 million $ year).

Would this deal been good for you?

Don’t you ever feel badly about having someone else pay for your health care? Being supported for so basic a need by one of your own countrymen just because they, through hard work or innovation or just plain luck, earn more than you? Do you think you are paying your “fair share”?
And for the record – no, this deal would not be a benefit to me.

Everyone in Scandinavia has the right to healthcare, it stands in the constitution.
It is more socioeconomic proffitable to have socialized medicine, cheaper for the country and the people on average. Thats a democracy when the majority decides.
A larger burden is put on The rich people who earns more than 130.000$ will have to pay more in taxes than they would for HI, but they’ll live a good life anyway dont you think?

 

[starcraftzzz]

Are you comfortable with big banks and insurance companies having a straw in your wallet making huge profits on yourt health insurance?

Not sure why you brought up banking, but health insurance companies run among the lowest profit margins of any industry. Apple, Coke, etc run HUGE profit margins by comparison. And yes, I would much rather do business with entities that must face the consequences of a free people choosing to spend their own money (or not) in a free market.

And those few percentage points of earnings are small compared to the waste and fraud intrinsic to our state run system called Medicare, which is operating at a huge loss. The Medicare rate applied to all income (no upper limit) is 2.8-pct which is just a little less Euro, than your proposed 3-pct.

Medicare costs 40% less then private insurance

 

[Euro]

Are you comfortable with big banks and insurance companies having a straw in your wallet making huge profits on yourt health insurance?

Not sure why you brought up banking, but health insurance companies run among the lowest profit margins of any industry. Apple, Coke, etc run HUGE profit margins by comparison. And yes, I would much rather do business with entities that must face the consequences of a free people choosing to spend their own money (or not) in a free market.

And those few percentage points of earnings are small compared to the waste and fraud intrinsic to our state run system called Medicare, which is operating at a huge loss. The Medicare rate applied to all income (no upper limit) is 2.8-pct which is just a little less Euro, than your proposed 3-pct.

Hmm thats a fraud.
I think you have to make the US healthcare system more efficient, it is to bureaucratic as it is now. Most of the 2.8 pct. dissappaers in bureaucracy.

I understand the concern of paying in more to the government if it is that inefficient. I think USA needs some reforms to make the government more efficient and less bureaucratic.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

A 3% flat tax is what my health insurance costs and then everyone is covered.
Would you have accepted that deal? A 3% flat tax increase on income and then you dont have to think about health insurance.

This is the deal I have through taxes: a 3% flat tax covers HC for everyone

If you earn 0 you pay 0
If you earn 10.000$ you’ve to pay 300$ for HI pr. year
If you earn 50.000$ you’ve to pay 1500$ for HI pr. year
If you earn 100.000$ you’ve to pay 3000$ for HI pr. year
If you earn 1.000.000$ you’ve to pay:30.000$ for HI pr. year
If you earn.100.000.000$ you’ve to pay:3.000.000$ for HI pr year.(3 million $ year).

Would this deal been good for you?

Such a program would be unconstitutional.

 

[eflatminor]

Are you comfortable with big banks and insurance companies having a straw in your wallet making huge profits on yourt health insurance?

Not sure why you brought up banking, but health insurance companies run among the lowest profit margins of any industry. Apple, Coke, etc run HUGE profit margins by comparison. And yes, I would much rather do business with entities that must face the consequences of a free people choosing to spend their own money (or not) in a free market.

And those few percentage points of earnings are small compared to the waste and fraud intrinsic to our state run system called Medicare, which is operating at a huge loss. The Medicare rate applied to all income (no upper limit) is 2.8-pct which is just a little less Euro, than your proposed 3-pct.

Absolutely. Further, a good percentage of your healthcare insurance premium dollars go towards paperwork, which is used by the industry in an effort to prevent fraud, literally by creating a paper trail. Without the government meddling, your healthcare insurance would, overall, be much less expensive...and priced to the damn exposure, essential to the very idea of insurance!

 

[eflatminor]

Not sure why you brought up banking, but health insurance companies run among the lowest profit margins of any industry. Apple, Coke, etc run HUGE profit margins by comparison. And yes, I would much rather do business with entities that must face the consequences of a free people choosing to spend their own money (or not) in a free market.

And those few percentage points of earnings are small compared to the waste and fraud intrinsic to our state run system called Medicare, which is operating at a huge loss. The Medicare rate applied to all income (no upper limit) is 2.8-pct which is just a little less Euro, than your proposed 3-pct.

Hmm thats a fraud.
I think you have to make the US healthcare system more efficient, it is to bureaucratic as it is now. Most of the 2.8 pct. dissappaers in bureaucracy.

I understand the concern of paying in more to the government if it is that inefficient. I think USA needs some reforms to make the government more efficient and less bureaucratic.

Pass. Free markets and free people will always kick socialist ass. We gave the world moon landings, rock and roll, and the wealthiest nation the world has ever known. I have one word for you: ABBA.

Off you go...

 

[starcraftzzz]

A 3% flat tax is what my health insurance costs and then everyone is covered.
Would you have accepted that deal? A 3% flat tax increase on income and then you dont have to think about health insurance.

This is the deal I have through taxes: a 3% flat tax covers HC for everyone

If you earn 0 you pay 0
If you earn 10.000$ you’ve to pay 300$ for HI pr. year
If you earn 50.000$ you’ve to pay 1500$ for HI pr. year
If you earn 100.000$ you’ve to pay 3000$ for HI pr. year
If you earn 1.000.000$ you’ve to pay:30.000$ for HI pr. year
If you earn.100.000.000$ you’ve to pay:3.000.000$ for HI pr year.(3 million $ year).

Would this deal been good for you?

Such a program would be unconstitutional.

Who knew that medicare and SS were unconstitutional
How come they’ve never been struck down in the past 60 years?

 

[starcraftzzz]

And those few percentage points of earnings are small compared to the waste and fraud intrinsic to our state run system called Medicare, which is operating at a huge loss. The Medicare rate applied to all income (no upper limit) is 2.8-pct which is just a little less Euro, than your proposed 3-pct.

Hmm thats a fraud.
I think you have to make the US healthcare system more efficient, it is to bureaucratic as it is now. Most of the 2.8 pct. dissappaers in bureaucracy.

I understand the concern of paying in more to the government if it is that inefficient. I think USA needs some reforms to make the government more efficient and less bureaucratic.

Pass. Free markets and free people will always kick socialist ass. We gave the world moon landings, rock and roll, and the wealthiest nation the world has ever known. I have one word for you: ABBA.

Off you go...

The reason free markets are good is mostly because of competition of which the European socialized systems have more competition. Think about it in Europe you can go to any doctor you want here in America you can only go to ones that your insurance company tells you they will pay for
Furthermore if competition is really so good then good thing Obamacare makes it so health care companies have to compete

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

A 3% flat tax is what my health insurance costs and then everyone is covered.
Would you have accepted that deal? A 3% flat tax increase on income and then you dont have to think about health insurance.

This is the deal I have through taxes: a 3% flat tax covers HC for everyone

If you earn 0 you pay 0
If you earn 10.000$ you’ve to pay 300$ for HI pr. year
If you earn 50.000$ you’ve to pay 1500$ for HI pr. year
If you earn 100.000$ you’ve to pay 3000$ for HI pr. year
If you earn 1.000.000$ you’ve to pay:30.000$ for HI pr. year
If you earn.100.000.000$ you’ve to pay:3.000.000$ for HI pr year.(3 million $ year).

Would this deal been good for you?

Such a program would be unconstitutional.

Who knew that medicare and SS were unconstitutional
How come they’ve never been struck down in the past 60 years?

Actually, Social Security was struck down as unconstitutional.

Please cite the part of the Constitution that authorizes the federal government to nationalize the health care system.

 

[American Horse]

Hmm thats a fraud.
I think you have to make the US healthcare system more efficient, it is to bureaucratic as it is now. Most of the 2.8 pct. dissappaers in bureaucracy.

I understand the concern of paying in more to the government if it is that inefficient. I think USA needs some reforms to make the government more efficient and less bureaucratic.

Pass. Free markets and free people will always kick socialist ass. We gave the world moon landings, rock and roll, and the wealthiest nation the world has ever known. I have one word for you: ABBA.

Off you go...

The reason free markets are good is mostly because of competition of which the European socialized systems have more competition. Think about it in Europe you can go to any doctor you want here in America you can only go to ones that your insurance company tells you they will pay for Furthermore if competition is really so good then good thing Obamacare makes it so health care companies have to compete

That's not true about not being able to pick you own doc. Here (in America) insurance companies allow patients to visit any doctor in their network, and usally all doctors in an a market area enlist in as many networks as possible, therefore patients have the run of the doctors in their area.

If they go outside the network the insurance company only reimburses the amount normally paid for a service inside the network.

Your statement makes me think you don't actually have insurance, or maybe have been too healthy to visit a doc, if you are insured.

 

[American Horse]

Not sure why you brought up banking, but health insurance companies run among the lowest profit margins of any industry. Apple, Coke, etc run HUGE profit margins by comparison. And yes, I would much rather do business with entities that must face the consequences of a free people choosing to spend their own money (or not) in a free market.

And those few percentage points of earnings are small compared to the waste and fraud intrinsic to our state run system called Medicare, which is operating at a huge loss. The Medicare rate applied to all income (no upper limit) is 2.8-pct which is just a little less Euro, than your proposed 3-pct.

Medicare costs 40% less then private insurance

Medicare is a welfare program, and is so loaded with mandates that it can't perform as it was originally conceived. It limits pay to doctors so much that docs are opting out. In many cities doctors refuse to take new medicare patients. We just had a family member turn 65, sign on to medicare, and find her previous doc would no longer see her as a Medicare patient. The reason for that is Medicare is paying so much less than her insurance company was willing to pay.