2nd Amendment should not be infringed upon because of Las Vegas shooter.

[danielpalos]

Dude, our Second Amendment cannot do what is claimed by the right wing, because it would have to be a Constitution unto itself.

The Second Amendment does nothing in and of itself. The Second Amendment is a guarantee that government will not infringe upon the Right of the People to keep and bear Arms.

The whole Bill of Rights is a limitation on the government NOT the people.

"The whole of the Bill (of Rights) is a declaration of the right of the people at large or considered as individuals .... It establishes some rights of the individual as unalienable and which consequently, no majority has a right to deprive them of."
-- Albert Gallatin, New York Historical Society, October 7, 1789

"The greatest [calamity] which could befall [us would be] submission to a government of unlimited powers."
-- Thomas Jefferson, Declaration and Protest of Virginia, 1825. The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, (Memorial Edition) Lipscomb and Bergh, editors

The People are the militia. Well regulated militia of the People are declared Necessary.

 

[Humorme]

Dude, our Second Amendment cannot do what is claimed by the right wing, because it would have to be a Constitution unto itself.

The Second Amendment does nothing in and of itself. The Second Amendment is a guarantee that government will not infringe upon the Right of the People to keep and bear Arms.

The whole Bill of Rights is a limitation on the government NOT the people.

"The whole of the Bill (of Rights) is a declaration of the right of the people at large or considered as individuals .... It establishes some rights of the individual as unalienable and which consequently, no majority has a right to deprive them of."
-- Albert Gallatin, New York Historical Society, October 7, 1789

"The greatest [calamity] which could befall [us would be] submission to a government of unlimited powers."
-- Thomas Jefferson, Declaration and Protest of Virginia, 1825. The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, (Memorial Edition) Lipscomb and Bergh, editors

The People are the militia. Well regulated militia of the People are declared Necessary.

What's your point? You keep stating the obvious. Why don't you address the points you're wrong on?

You have an individual Right to keep and bear Arms unconnected to service in a militia.

 

[justinacolmena]

The Second Amendment is about bearing Arms. It is not about cutting hair.

 

[danielpalos]

Dude, our Second Amendment cannot do what is claimed by the right wing, because it would have to be a Constitution unto itself.

The Second Amendment does nothing in and of itself. The Second Amendment is a guarantee that government will not infringe upon the Right of the People to keep and bear Arms.

The whole Bill of Rights is a limitation on the government NOT the people.

"The whole of the Bill (of Rights) is a declaration of the right of the people at large or considered as individuals .... It establishes some rights of the individual as unalienable and which consequently, no majority has a right to deprive them of."
-- Albert Gallatin, New York Historical Society, October 7, 1789

"The greatest [calamity] which could befall [us would be] submission to a government of unlimited powers."
-- Thomas Jefferson, Declaration and Protest of Virginia, 1825. The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, (Memorial Edition) Lipscomb and Bergh, editors

The People are the militia. Well regulated militia of the People are declared Necessary.

What's your point? You keep stating the obvious. Why don't you address the points you're wrong on?

You have an individual Right to keep and bear Arms unconnected to service in a militia.

Well regulated militia of the People are declared Necessary and may not be Infringed, the unorganized militia may be infringed.

 

[Humorme]

Dude, our Second Amendment cannot do what is claimed by the right wing, because it would have to be a Constitution unto itself.

The Second Amendment does nothing in and of itself. The Second Amendment is a guarantee that government will not infringe upon the Right of the People to keep and bear Arms.

The whole Bill of Rights is a limitation on the government NOT the people.

"The whole of the Bill (of Rights) is a declaration of the right of the people at large or considered as individuals .... It establishes some rights of the individual as unalienable and which consequently, no majority has a right to deprive them of."
-- Albert Gallatin, New York Historical Society, October 7, 1789

"The greatest [calamity] which could befall [us would be] submission to a government of unlimited powers."
-- Thomas Jefferson, Declaration and Protest of Virginia, 1825. The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, (Memorial Edition) Lipscomb and Bergh, editors

The People are the militia. Well regulated militia of the People are declared Necessary.

What's your point? You keep stating the obvious. Why don't you address the points you're wrong on?

You have an individual Right to keep and bear Arms unconnected to service in a militia.

Well regulated militia of the People are declared Necessary and may not be Infringed, the unorganized militia may be infringed.

No, it certainly may not be. Why don't you take a little time to educate yourself instead of embarrassing yourself with this seven day a week routine of spouting shit that you have provided ZERO basis for?

Are you really that starved for attention?

Let's educate you with the Supreme Court's most recent ruling. This is the bottom line:

"Justice Samuel A. Alito, Jr. filed a concurring opinion in which he reiterated the importance of access to self-defense and the rights afforded by the Second Amendment. Justice Clarence Thomas joined in the concurring opinion."

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[danielpalos]

Dude, our Second Amendment cannot do what is claimed by the right wing, because it would have to be a Constitution unto itself.

The Second Amendment does nothing in and of itself. The Second Amendment is a guarantee that government will not infringe upon the Right of the People to keep and bear Arms.

The whole Bill of Rights is a limitation on the government NOT the people.

"The whole of the Bill (of Rights) is a declaration of the right of the people at large or considered as individuals .... It establishes some rights of the individual as unalienable and which consequently, no majority has a right to deprive them of."
-- Albert Gallatin, New York Historical Society, October 7, 1789

"The greatest [calamity] which could befall [us would be] submission to a government of unlimited powers."
-- Thomas Jefferson, Declaration and Protest of Virginia, 1825. The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, (Memorial Edition) Lipscomb and Bergh, editors

The People are the militia. Well regulated militia of the People are declared Necessary.

What's your point? You keep stating the obvious. Why don't you address the points you're wrong on?

You have an individual Right to keep and bear Arms unconnected to service in a militia.

Well regulated militia of the People are declared Necessary and may not be Infringed, the unorganized militia may be infringed.

No, it certainly may not be. Why don't you take a little time to educate yourself instead of embarrassing yourself with this seven day a week routine of spouting shit that you have provided ZERO basis for?

Are you really that starved for attention?

Let's educate you with the Supreme Court's most recent ruling. This is the bottom line:

"Justice Samuel A. Alito, Jr. filed a concurring opinion in which he reiterated the importance of access to self-defense and the rights afforded by the Second Amendment. Justice Clarence Thomas joined in the concurring opinion."

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Projecting much? The People are the militia. You are either well regulated or not.

Our Second Amendment is about what is necessary to the security of a free State, that makes it a States right, not an Individual right.

 

[Humorme]

The Second Amendment does nothing in and of itself. The Second Amendment is a guarantee that government will not infringe upon the Right of the People to keep and bear Arms.

The whole Bill of Rights is a limitation on the government NOT the people.

"The whole of the Bill (of Rights) is a declaration of the right of the people at large or considered as individuals .... It establishes some rights of the individual as unalienable and which consequently, no majority has a right to deprive them of."
-- Albert Gallatin, New York Historical Society, October 7, 1789

"The greatest [calamity] which could befall [us would be] submission to a government of unlimited powers."
-- Thomas Jefferson, Declaration and Protest of Virginia, 1825. The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, (Memorial Edition) Lipscomb and Bergh, editors

The People are the militia. Well regulated militia of the People are declared Necessary.

What's your point? You keep stating the obvious. Why don't you address the points you're wrong on?

You have an individual Right to keep and bear Arms unconnected to service in a militia.

Well regulated militia of the People are declared Necessary and may not be Infringed, the unorganized militia may be infringed.

No, it certainly may not be. Why don't you take a little time to educate yourself instead of embarrassing yourself with this seven day a week routine of spouting shit that you have provided ZERO basis for?

Are you really that starved for attention?

Let's educate you with the Supreme Court's most recent ruling. This is the bottom line:

"Justice Samuel A. Alito, Jr. filed a concurring opinion in which he reiterated the importance of access to self-defense and the rights afforded by the Second Amendment. Justice Clarence Thomas joined in the concurring opinion."

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Projecting much? The People are the militia. You are either well regulated or not.

Our Second Amendment is about what is necessary to the security of a free State, that makes it a States right, not an Individual right.

YOU are the only one projecting. So, let's see what this term "well regulated" really means, danielpalos:

"(Those) who are trying to read the Second Amendment out of the Constitution by claiming it's not an individual right (are) courting disaster by encouraging others to use the same means to eliminate portions of the Constitution they don't like."

-- Alan Dershowitz, Harvard Law School

"The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed."

Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers at 184-188

"Americans have the right and advantage of being armed - unlike the citizens of other countries whose governments are afraid to trust the people with arms."

James Madison, The Federalist Papers

"No kingdom can be secured otherwise than by arming the people. The possession of arms is the distinction between a freeman and a slave."

"Political Disquisitions", a British republican tract of 1774-1775

"Are we at last brought to such a humiliating and debasing degradation, that we cannot be trusted with arms for our own defence? Where is the difference between having our arms in our own possession and under our own direction, and having them under the management of Congress? If our defence be the *real* object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands?"

Patrick Henry, speech of June 9 1788

"The great object is, that every man be armed. [...] Every one who is able may have a gun."

Patrick Henry, speech of June 14 1788

"That the said Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of the United states who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms..."

-- Samuel Adams, in "Phila. Independent Gazetteer", August 20, 1789

"The conclusion is thus inescapable that the history, concept, and wording of the second amendment to the Constitution of the United States, as well as its interpretation by every major commentator and court in the first half-century after its ratification, indicates that what is protected is an individual right of a private citizen to own and carry firearms in a peaceful manner."

-- Report of the Subcommittee On The Constitution of the Committee On The Judiciary, United States Senate, 97th Congress, second session (February, 1982), SuDoc# Y4.J 89/2: Ar 5/5

"Boys who own legal firearms have much lower rates of delinquency and drug use and are even slightly less delinquent than nonowners of guns."

-- U.S. Department of Justice, National Institute of Justice, Office of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention, NCJ-143454, "Urban Delinquency and Substance Abuse," August 1995.

"Historical examination of the right to bear arms, from English antecedents to the drafting of the Second Amendment, bears proof that the right to bear arms has consistently been, and should still be, construed as an individual right."

U.S. District Judge Sam Cummings, in re U.S. vs Emerson (1999)

We already know the response by danielpalos. The facts are logical fallacies and ONLY danielpalos has the understanding to prove gun owners wrong by reciting his usual canard. Can you day delusional?

 

[danielpalos]

Right wing fantasy is all you have.

The defense and protection of the state and of the United States is an obligation of all persons within the state. The legislature shall provide for the discharge of this obligation and for the maintenance and regulation of an organized militia.

It is a States right, secured by our Second Amendment.

The People are the militia. You are either well regulated and necessary or unorganized and unnecessary.

The context is fixed as that standard by the first clause.

 

[Humorme]

Right wing fantasy is all you have.

The defense and protection of the state and of the United States is an obligation of all persons within the state. The legislature shall provide for the discharge of this obligation and for the maintenance and regulation of an organized militia.

It is a States right, secured by our Second Amendment.

The People are the militia. You are either well regulated and necessary or unorganized and unnecessary.

The context is fixed as that standard by the first clause.

Yeah right, danielpalos... I fantasized all of that. You are a fucking idiot.

YOU have no idea what you're talking about. A Constitution means what the courts interpret them to mean. Let me give you a FREE lesson in the law.

This is a quote from a government site:

"State courts are the final arbiters of state laws and constitutions."

Comparing Federal & State Courts

When state courts interpret the law, it is far more authoritative and binding than the mad ravings of danielpalos. And the courts have said you are wrong and I've cited their rulings and holdings repeatedly. You are wrong, dude. I'm also going to leave you a link that will prove, beyond any question - beyond any shadow of a doubt that you are wrong. Let's go beyond the legal experts and get a professional wordsmith to explain it to you:

http://www.constitution.org/2ll/schol/2amd_grammar.htm

Now, here's the real deal danielpalos. I've told you that you're wrong. If you come back here today everybody will understand you did not access that site. It will be 100 % proof positive that you are talking out your ass. When you don't read it and other posters do, it's going to make you look really stupid. If you can prove the guy wrong, get to popping. Otherwise, your standard canard will be an admission of defeat on your part. (End of previous post)

All of danielpalos fallacies, lies, misrepresentations, inaccurate interpretations, and bullshit have been responded to. By doing what he was warned NOT to do before witnessing his pet arguments dismantled,danilepalos HAS THROWN IN THE TOWEL AND CONCEDED DEFEAT!

 

[danielpalos]

Which part actually refutes Anything I have written?

Please cite my argument and your rebuttal.

The People are the militia.

The context is, what is necessary to the security of a free State.

The People are either well regulated or unorganized.

There is no other option.

 

[Humorme]

Which part actually refutes Anything I have written?

Please cite my argument and your rebuttal.

The People are the militia.

The context is, what is necessary to the security of a free State.

The People are either well regulated or unorganized.

There is no other option.

NOTHING YOU JUST SAID HAS SHIT TO DO WITH WHAT YOU'VE BEEN ARGUING ABOUT.

YOU have no idea what you're talking about. A Constitution means what the courts interpret them to mean. Let me give you a FREE lesson in the law.

This is a quote from a government site:

"State courts are the final arbiters of state laws and constitutions."

Comparing Federal & State Courts

When state courts interpret the law, it is far more authoritative and binding than the mad ravings of danielpalos. And the courts have said you are wrong and I've cited their rulings and holdings repeatedly. You are wrong, dude. I'm also going to leave you a link that will prove, beyond any question - beyond any shadow of a doubt that you are wrong. Let's go beyond the legal experts and get a professional wordsmith to explain it to you:

http://www.constitution.org/2ll/schol/2amd_grammar.htm

Now, here's the real deal danielpalos. I've told you that you're wrong. If you come back here today everybody will understand you did not access that site. It will be 100 % proof positive that you are talking out your ass. When you don't read it and other posters do, it's going to make you look really stupid. If you can prove the guy wrong, get to popping. Otherwise, your standard canard will be an admission of defeat on your part. (End of previous post)

All of danielpalos fallacies, lies, misrepresentations, inaccurate interpretations, and bullshit have been responded to. By doing what he was warned NOT to do before witnessing his pet arguments dismantled,danilepalos HAS THROWN IN THE TOWEL AND CONCEDED DEFEAT!

HERE IS AN ABSOLUTE LIE THAT DANIELPALOS JUST POSTED:

"The People are either well regulated or unorganized."

The people have an individual Right to keep and bear Arms. So, if they can get a firearm when it's needed, they are "well regulated" as per the intent of the founding fathers (see above quotes.)

Nothing in American jurisprudence, history or the standing precedents of our law supports danielpalos self proclaimed superior understanding. If you disagree with him, his standard canard is to say moronic and silly shit accusing you of fallacies. Next he will tell us that those founders are no more real than Santa Claus. He don't even know what a fallacy is.

 

[danielpalos]

The unorganized militia may be infringed by the well regulated militias of a State or the Union,when necessary for security.

 

[Humorme]

The unorganized militia may be infringed by the well regulated militias of a State or the Union,when necessary for security.

No, it most certainly may not be infringed. You have NO CITES to back your claim.

NOTES TO DANIELPALOS:



1) Remove head from ass



2) Access links



3) Refrain from posting until you’ve read such links



4) Using a dictionary, look up the word fallacy



5) Explain to yourself how facts are fallacies



6) Then, and only then, bother responding to this message.



This is a discussion board. You don’t need to be a rodent on a treadmill. You can do this. Here are the links:





Comparing Federal & State Courts



The Unabridged Second Amendment

 

[danielpalos]

Nothing refutes what I am saying.

You have to be specific, not just full of fallacy.

 

[Humorme]

Nothing refutes what I am saying.

You have to be specific, not just full of fallacy.

You aren't even reading these posts. Hell Dude, we can play your little game all day long:

No, it most certainly may not be infringed. You have NO CITES to back your claim.

NOTES TO DANIELPALOS:



1) Remove head from ass



2) Access links



3) Refrain from posting until you’ve read such links



4) Using a dictionary, look up the word fallacy



5) Explain to yourself how facts are fallacies



6) Then, and only then, bother responding to this message.



This is a discussion board. You don’t need to be a rodent on a treadmill. You can do this. Here are the links:





Comparing Federal & State Courts



The Unabridged Second Amendment

 

[Humorme]

Your nonsensical cow dung has been asked and answered. If you'd read the links, you could see your wishful thinking has been laid to rest. Do you need help understanding how to access links?

NOTES TO DANIELPALOS:



1) Remove head from ass



2) Access links



3) Refrain from posting until you’ve read such links



4) Using a dictionary, look up the word fallacy



5) Explain to yourself how facts are fallacies



6) Then, and only then, bother responding to this message.



This is a discussion board. You don’t need to be a rodent on a treadmill. You can do this. Here are the links:





Comparing Federal & State Courts



The Unabridged Second Amendment

 

[danielpalos]

You have nothing but diversion.

Well regulated militias of the United States infringed the right to keep and bear arms, by the unorganized militias of the South.

There are no Individual rights in our Second Amendment.

 

[flacaltenn]

This thread is very tired. Needs some rest. Wasn't going anywhere. And that's when folks get into trouble. Closed..