CDZ 2nd amendmant and arms

[there4eyeM]

If the 2nd means no limitations on armed citizens, why are knives controlled and limited?

 

[DarkFury]

If the 2nd means no limitations on armed citizens, why are knives controlled and limited?

In truth they should NOT be.

 

[frigidweirdo]

If the 2nd means no limitations on armed citizens, why are knives controlled and limited?

Because it doesn't mean this.

The 2A is there to protect the militia from the federal govt.

Individuals are allowed weapons so the militia has a ready supply of weapons (keep arms)
Individuals are allowed to be in the militia so the militia has a ready supply of personnel to use those weapons (bear arms)

Or better said, the feds can't prevent individuals, before due process, from being able to have arms. They can prevent certain types of arms, just as long as individuals can get militia type weaponry.

 

[DarkFury]

If the 2nd means no limitations on armed citizens, why are knives controlled and limited?

Because it doesn't mean this.

The 2A is there to protect the militia from the federal govt.

Individuals are allowed weapons so the militia has a ready supply of weapons (keep arms)
Individuals are allowed to be in the militia so the militia has a ready supply of personnel to use those weapons (bear arms)

Or better said, the feds can't prevent individuals, before due process, from being able to have arms. They can prevent certain types of arms, just as long as individuals can get militia type weaponry.

THAT is NOT a true statement. IF you have the money and are NOT a wacko you can OWN anything you want.
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BRITISH SCORPION TANK MODEL FV101

This is a beautifully redone Scorpion Light Tank in excellent condition. The Brits first accepted the Scorpion into service in 1970 and first production was in 1972 with a total of 3,000 being built by Alvis from 1972 to 1981. The WT. was 16,000 lbs. Length 17 ' 5" Width 7' Height 6' 10" and top speed is 50 MPH . Most of them were built using the Jaguar XK 4.2 Litre gas engine and the TN15X crossdrive semi-automatic 7 speed transmission. Some later built models used both the Perkins and the Cummins diesel engine. The Scorpion holds the Guinness world record for the fastest production Tank; Recorded doing 51 mph. at the Qineti vehicle test track, Chertsey,Surrey, on 26 March 2002 . The Scorpion uses the L23A1 76mm main gun ( 3"). Secondary gun, coaxial 7.62 mm L43A1.

PRICE: $79,500
LOCATION: BARNEVELD, WIS. 53507

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M-47 Patton Tank W/90MM Main Gun

The armored cover over the main gun has been removed but is in the owners possession and comes with the tank. The main gun is live and registered with ATF but the gun is un-restored . I can demilitarize the breech or sell it live with an ATF transfer, it is the buyers choice. This is the perfect tank for a very nice static display or restoration project. It does not have a power pack and this tank needs a full restoration if owner wants a driver. As you can see from the photos it is very complete.

PRICE: $161,250SOLD7-10
LOCATION: HOUSTON, TEX. 77531

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1943 WWII M4 SHERMAN GRIZZLY

I purchased this in California, hauled it back to Georgia and completely disassembled it, including the final drives with one new axle, bearings and brakes. I sent the engine out and it was inspected and repaired as needed with a rebuilt carburetor and new clutch and throw out bearing. New fuel tanks made from aluminum reverse engineered from the original. Has nice chevron RUBBER tracks with three newly recovered bogie wheels. I stillhave the steel tracks and sprockets for those which will go with it. This tank has been totally refinished in and out in original combat paint and a new white interior.

Looks and runs magnificent.

PRICE: $295,000.00
Location: TIFTON, GA. 31793







1986 AM GENERAL M1044 MARINE CORPS ARMORED HUMVEE

This is a completely original M1044 HUMVEE, chassis number 013986 just as it returned from Iraq and Kuwait after the first Desert Storm and Panama conflict. Authentic M1044s in private hands are extremely rare, less than a handful according to HUMVEE experts. Most of the 1044s were given to local governments when the US forces departed, or were destroyed. Some of the better units went back to AM GENERAL to be rebuilt into unarmored versions.

This truck is the supplemental armor version, which has additional armor, and has all the original armored parts that the factory installed. Originally painted green camo, it was painted with semi removable desert tan paint on the transport ship when it was shipped to Kuwait. After its return to the US, most of the desert tan paint was removed, but some still evident.

Wisconsin title, Form 97, and is legal for road use. The odometer shows 23k original miles. The gun turret revolves, opens and closes as it should. The seals on the rear hatch have been replaced. The right front corner of the hood had some minor damage and the hood has several surface cracks as most do. The tires look new but have been on the vehicle since purchased in 1992. I was told they have the run-flat rings in them. I have never seen another real 1044 for sale anywhere. Most of the HUMVEES in private hands today are M998 soft top troop carriers that came from Marine or Reserve bases in the US and were released and auctioned off in 1999.

Currently M998s are being released by various bases, but are not road legal, the Bill of Sale clearly stating “For off road use only.” As more of these trucks are being sold to private collectors and more people become aware of them the M1044 will become even more collectible.

This truck runs very well, always starts immediately even after months of inactivity. A few parts that could not be repaired have been replaced, such as some of the bullet proof side glass, which had “combat wounds” and could not be saved. The original glass is still in the rear left door but shows evidence of being shot. Both windshields have some delamination between the glass layers but have not been replaced because they are original. The right windshield still has the Panama sticker on it. Several of the shields in the engine compartment have been replaced. It has two new heavy duty nonmilitary batteries, the tool rack below the tailgate, a whip antenna, and will have a correct but nonfunctional winch mounted.

At full price the deactivated 50 caliber machine gun, a wire controlled surface to surface rocket launcher, a replica surface to air missile launcher, ammo boxes, helmets, first aid kit, gas mask, replica M16, camouflage netting, and slave cable, all shown in photos will be included.

This is a rare opportunity for a serious collector to own an extremely rare and original armored vehicle with combat history that can be driven on the street and can be taken into some serious off road terrain. While some people think they are ugly, everyone agrees that they are the ultimate BAD ASS TRUCKS!!

PRICE : $75,000.00
LOCATION : BARNEVELD , WIS. 53507






M41 Walker Bulldog with 76mm live Gun (registered)

This is a restored, complete and operating walker bulldog tank. later model with upgraded electric motor for turret instead of the old hydraulic system which took up much more room in the turret.

Engine is correct Continental paired with Allison transmission. The engine only has about 8 hours on it and was rebuilt in Italy in late 1970s.

This Bulldog is equipped with a fully functional 76mm main gun. Barrel is untouched, rifling is plentiful and the breech ring as clean as the day it came off the assembly line. The gun has been test fired and live fired multiple times never having a problem and is registered on a form 4 in Connecticut

The tracks and hull-tracks are in excellent condition. The undercarriage works flawlessly and sounds great rolling down the road. The hull has minimal rust and freshly painted by hand brush not sprayed. The interior was also painted with a hand brush.

Has all periscopes and main scope for the 76mm gun. Also includes many accessories such as radio, intercom system (uninstalled), helmets and other interior equipment.

This tank has been stored indoors for the last 10 years during the restoration process and thereafter.

PRICE :$295,000
LOCATION : New Milford, Connecticut 06776

 

[Auld Phart]

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

the right of the PEOPLE, not the right of the MILITIA, shall not be infringed

 

[frigidweirdo]

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

the right of the PEOPLE, not the right of the MILITIA, shall not be infringed

So... who said anything about the right of the militia? I can't see it.

 

[Auld Phart]

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

the right of the PEOPLE, not the right of the MILITIA, shall not be infringed

So... who said anything about the right of the militia? I can't see it.

"The 2A is there to protect the militia from the federal govt.

Individuals are allowed weapons so the militia has a ready supply of weapons (keep arms)"

Appears you only believe people are allowed to bear arms if they are part of, or interested in, the militia

 

[2aguy]

If the 2nd means no limitations on armed citizens, why are knives controlled and limited?

They shouldn't be.

 

[Wyatt earp]

If the 2nd means no limitations on armed citizens, why are knives controlled and limited?

They shouldn't be.

because you can poke your eye out with a switch blade, we all know why sawed off shot guns had to be made illegal.

 

[2aguy]

What sense does it make if I can carry a .45 semi auto pistol and even two....to keep me from carrying a knife? It doesn't, but that just reveals the true nature of weapon banners.....they are only limited by the level of political power they have. In Britain..they want to ban knives with points to prevent stabbings......

 

[warf]

Where is this militia?

 

[Josf]

"Where is this militia?"



Some look in the mirror.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Where is this militia?

There is NO requirement that one belong to a militia to keep own and possess firearms. Each State is free to create a militia separate and distinct from the National Guard. You see the law states that the Fed can federalize part of a States militia. And that is the National Guard. Each State is free to create a militia that is not federalized.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Go ahead....have a chuckle at yourselves. It'll do ya good.

 

[danielpalos]

If the 2nd means no limitations on armed citizens, why are knives controlled and limited?

Because, it Only and merely means; Only well regulated militias are necessary to the security of a free State and may not be Infringed when keeping and bearing Arms for the several United States or the Union.

 

[Auld Phart]

If the 2nd means no limitations on armed citizens, why are knives controlled and limited?

Because, it Only and merely means; Only well regulated militias are necessary to the security of a free State and may not be Infringed when keeping and bearing Arms for the several United States or the Union.

You might have a point if it gave the right to the militias, instead of the people.

 

[westwall]

Go ahead....have a chuckle at yourselves. It'll do ya good.

I really could care less what an Aussie thinks. He's also wrong on most of the facts. He is certainly wrong that there have been no massacres.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Go ahead....have a chuckle at yourselves. It'll do ya good.

I really could care less what an Aussie thinks. He's also wrong on most of the facts. He is certainly wrong that there have been no massacres.

He's got the American gun nut pegged.

 

[Auld Phart]

Most people laughed AT him, not WITH him.

He really doesn't have a very good grasp on firearms in the USA.

 

[danielpalos]

If the 2nd means no limitations on armed citizens, why are knives controlled and limited?

Because, it Only and merely means; Only well regulated militias are necessary to the security of a free State and may not be Infringed when keeping and bearing Arms for the several United States or the Union.

You might have a point if it gave the right to the militias, instead of the people.

I always have a point; the People are the Militia. Only well regulated Militias of the People (who are the Militia) are declared necessary to the security of a free State, not the entirety of the Militias of the United States.