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Everyone has their own little empire to protect.
Even though this was a Bush regulation, I don't see what's wrong with it. Creating standards is a clear constitutional responsibility. The regulation is meant to improve public safety and provide further compliance for those with vision problems. And 15 years was given to come into compliance. I doubt that there's many public street or road signs that would last more than 15 years anyway. I just don't see the big whoop?
The Capital of the World is going lower-case.
Federal copy editors are demanding the city change its 250,900 street signs -- such as these for Perry Avenue in The Bronx -- from the all-caps style used for more than a century to ones that capitalize only the first letters.
Changing BROADWAY to Broadway will save lives, the Federal Highway Administration contends in its updated Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices, citing improved readability.
At $110 per sign, it will also cost the state $27.6 million, city officials said.
The new regulations also require a change in font from the standard highway typeface to Clearview, which was specially developed for this purpose.
As a result, even numbered street signs will have to be replaced.
Read more: Under new federal guidelines all New York City street signs will have to be made lower-case - NYPOST.com
Our tax dollars at work. Good to see that the feds have their priorities in order. Maybe it will "save or create" a few more jobs.
Everyone has their own little empire to protect.
Even though this was a Bush regulation, I don't see what's wrong with it. Creating standards is a clear constitutional responsibility. The regulation is meant to improve public safety and provide further compliance for those with vision problems. And 15 years was given to come into compliance. I doubt that there's many public street or road signs that would last more than 15 years anyway. I just don't see the big whoop?
For me, the big whoop is timing. That money would be better used in other areas I am sure. Not being a NY resident I cannot point out particulars but I know here in Cleveland garbage pick up would be a better start since the city is so far behind. Many others to add to the list as well.
Even though this was a Bush regulation, I don't see what's wrong with it. Creating standards is a clear constitutional responsibility. The regulation is meant to improve public safety and provide further compliance for those with vision problems. And 15 years was given to come into compliance. I doubt that there's many public street or road signs that would last more than 15 years anyway. I just don't see the big whoop?
For me, the big whoop is timing. That money would be better used in other areas I am sure. Not being a NY resident I cannot point out particulars but I know here in Cleveland garbage pick up would be a better start since the city is so far behind. Many others to add to the list as well.
What timing? Even the NY Post had hidden in their spin article, that the regulation was from 2003 and compliance time was 15 years. What's the problem? How often does Cleveland have to change their street signs? I'm sure that a 15 year life cycle is not unreasonable.
The Capital of the World is going lower-case.
Federal copy editors are demanding the city change its 250,900 street signs -- such as these for Perry Avenue in The Bronx -- from the all-caps style used for more than a century to ones that capitalize only the first letters.
Changing BROADWAY to Broadway will save lives, the Federal Highway Administration contends in its updated Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices, citing improved readability.
At $110 per sign, it will also cost the state $27.6 million, city officials said.
The new regulations also require a change in font from the standard highway typeface to Clearview, which was specially developed for this purpose.
As a result, even numbered street signs will have to be replaced.
Read more: Under new federal guidelines all New York City street signs will have to be made lower-case - NYPOST.com
Our tax dollars at work. Good to see that the feds have their priorities in order. Maybe it will "save or create" a few more jobs.
Clearview is ADA compliant
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clearview_(typeface)
Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Cant have the blind being offended by the signage.
While they are redoing them, maybe they can add Braille...
Otherwise Blind Drivers won't Know where they are at either!
peace...
I was thinking that also. May as well go for putting these signs in 3 or 4 different languages as well.
Hate research now too? We wouldn't ever want to conduct any research now, would we?On its face it's ridiculous. And it may well be.
But the article is from the NY Post, so who knows what's left out of the story. *shrug*
Wanna bet that this bright idea comes from 'research'.That's some more tax dollars well spent.
For me, the big whoop is timing. That money would be better used in other areas I am sure. Not being a NY resident I cannot point out particulars but I know here in Cleveland garbage pick up would be a better start since the city is so far behind. Many others to add to the list as well.
What timing? Even the NY Post had hidden in their spin article, that the regulation was from 2003 and compliance time was 15 years. What's the problem? How often does Cleveland have to change their street signs? I'm sure that a 15 year life cycle is not unreasonable.
Not sure how it works for you, but, in my house I like big throw rugs and I buy a new one about every 4 years or so. They are not really cheap. If it comes time to rplace a throw rug, but my roof is leaking, that money for the throw rug would easily slide toward the leaking roof fund without hesitation.
More of what big government gives us....
You claim to be an army vet, and now doing IT in Maryland near the Potomac. Do you do government contracting? My guess is you've been sucking the government teat most of your life.
And as for your little rep comment of Try reading the article before running your mouth.... laughable
From the article:
The Highway Administration acknowledged that New York and other states "opposed the change, and suggested that the use of all upper-case letters remain an option," noting that "while the mixed-case words might be easier to read, the amount of improvement in legibility did not justify the cost."
To compensate for those concerns, in 2003, the administration allowed for a 15-year
phase-in period ending in 2018.
Read more: Under new federal guidelines all New York City street signs will have to be made lower-case - NYPOST.com
So is this a Bush era regulation?
Yep, I guess so. According to the link provided by XOTOXI:
The Federal Highway Administration granted Clearview interim approval in 2004, meaning that individual states are free to begin using it in all their road signs. More than 20 states have already adopted the typeface, replacing existing signs one by one as old ones wear out. Some places have been quicker to make the switch much of Route I-80 in western Pennsylvania is marked by signs in Clearview, as are the roads around Dallas-Fort Worth International Airport but it will very likely take decades for the rest of the country to finish the roadside makeover. It is a slow, almost imperceptible process. But eventually the entire country could be looking at Clearview.
So it's a safety consideration, adopted by the Bush Administration, and locales are given until 2018 to implement. Yep, the NY Post article was quite a bit of spin.
The Capital of the World is going lower-case.
Federal copy editors are demanding the city change its 250,900 street signs -- such as these for Perry Avenue in The Bronx -- from the all-caps style used for more than a century to ones that capitalize only the first letters.
Changing BROADWAY to Broadway will save lives, the Federal Highway Administration contends in its updated Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices, citing improved readability.
At $110 per sign, it will also cost the state $27.6 million, city officials said.
The new regulations also require a change in font from the standard highway typeface to Clearview, which was specially developed for this purpose.
As a result, even numbered street signs will have to be replaced.
Read more: Under new federal guidelines all New York City street signs will have to be made lower-case - NYPOST.com
Our tax dollars at work. Good to see that the feds have their priorities in order. Maybe it will "save or create" a few more jobs.
Each sign may cost $110 each, but you also have to add in the salary of the 5 person crew to change it. So your $27 million job is in reality will be more likely be $127 million.
From the article:
So is this a Bush era regulation?The Highway Administration acknowledged that New York and other states "opposed the change, and suggested that the use of all upper-case letters remain an option," noting that "while the mixed-case words might be easier to read, the amount of improvement in legibility did not justify the cost."
To compensate for those concerns, in 2003, the administration allowed for a 15-year
phase-in period ending in 2018.
Read more: Under new federal guidelines all New York City street signs will have to be made lower-case - NYPOST.com
Yep, I guess so. According to the link provided by XOTOXI:
So it's a safety consideration, adopted by the Bush Administration, and locales are given until 2018 to implement. Yep, the NY Post article was quite a bit of spin.The Federal Highway Administration granted Clearview interim approval in 2004, meaning that individual states are free to begin using it in all their road signs. More than 20 states have already adopted the typeface, replacing existing signs one by one as old ones wear out. Some places have been quicker to make the switch much of Route I-80 in western Pennsylvania is marked by signs in Clearview, as are the roads around Dallas-Fort Worth International Airport but it will very likely take decades for the rest of the country to finish the roadside makeover. It is a slow, almost imperceptible process. But eventually the entire country could be looking at Clearview.
Don't matter if it is/was Bush, Clinton, Obama, Reagan, or motherfucking Lincoln.... it's still ridiculous
More of what big government gives us....
You claim to be an army vet, and now doing IT in Maryland near the Potomac. Do you do government contracting? My guess is you've been sucking the government teat most of your life.
And as for your little rep comment of Try reading the article before running your mouth.... laughable
1) The article was read... and because of big government and power hungry politicians, you end up with little pet projects such as this
2) I have not been employed as a contractor, nor do I really aspire to be a contractor. but nice try, nimrod
From the article:
The Highway Administration acknowledged that New York and other states "opposed the change, and suggested that the use of all upper-case letters remain an option," noting that "while the mixed-case words might be easier to read, the amount of improvement in legibility did not justify the cost."
To compensate for those concerns, in 2003, the administration allowed for a 15-year
phase-in period ending in 2018.
Read more: Under new federal guidelines all New York City street signs will have to be made lower-case - NYPOST.com
So is this a Bush era regulation?
Yep, I guess so. According to the link provided by XOTOXI:
The Federal Highway Administration granted Clearview interim approval in 2004, meaning that individual states are free to begin using it in all their road signs. More than 20 states have already adopted the typeface, replacing existing signs one by one as old ones wear out. Some places have been quicker to make the switch much of Route I-80 in western Pennsylvania is marked by signs in Clearview, as are the roads around Dallas-Fort Worth International Airport but it will very likely take decades for the rest of the country to finish the roadside makeover. It is a slow, almost imperceptible process. But eventually the entire country could be looking at Clearview.
So it's a safety consideration, adopted by the Bush Administration, and locales are given until 2018 to implement. Yep, the NY Post article was quite a bit of spin.
Don't matter if it is/was Bush, Clinton, Obama, Reagan, or motherfucking Lincoln.... it's still ridiculous
What timing? Even the NY Post had hidden in their spin article, that the regulation was from 2003 and compliance time was 15 years. What's the problem? How often does Cleveland have to change their street signs? I'm sure that a 15 year life cycle is not unreasonable.
Not sure how it works for you, but, in my house I like big throw rugs and I buy a new one about every 4 years or so. They are not really cheap. If it comes time to rplace a throw rug, but my roof is leaking, that money for the throw rug would easily slide toward the leaking roof fund without hesitation.
OK, but that's not what's happening. Say you bought a new roof in 2003, and you knew it's going to last you 15 year. Would you not buy your new rug today, because you'd have to replace your roof within 8 years?
Oh, and according to the article, this is New York's money. I doubt that they'd be buying garbage trucks for Cleveland regardless. NYC's street signs may seem trite, but when you talk about signs on major highways, that's not something that one can ignore, except to the detriment of public safety.
Hate research now too? We wouldn't ever want to conduct any research now, would we?On its face it's ridiculous. And it may well be.
But the article is from the NY Post, so who knows what's left out of the story. *shrug*
Wanna bet that this bright idea comes from 'research'.
Not sure how it works for you, but, in my house I like big throw rugs and I buy a new one about every 4 years or so. They are not really cheap. If it comes time to rplace a throw rug, but my roof is leaking, that money for the throw rug would easily slide toward the leaking roof fund without hesitation.
OK, but that's not what's happening. Say you bought a new roof in 2003, and you knew it's going to last you 15 year. Would you not buy your new rug today, because you'd have to replace your roof within 8 years?
Oh, and according to the article, this is New York's money. I doubt that they'd be buying garbage trucks for Cleveland regardless. NYC's street signs may seem trite, but when you talk about signs on major highways, that's not something that one can ignore, except to the detriment of public safety.
Straw man
Hate research now too? We wouldn't ever want to conduct any research now, would we?Wanna bet that this bright idea comes from 'research'.
Actually, I work with researchers. I laugh at some of the shit that they 'research' though. Anyone with an inquiring mind should question the value of some research. I don't worship at the alter of academics, just because they're academics. I value intelligent research - but not all research is intelligent.
From Chanel's link:Read more: Under new federal guidelines all New York City street signs will have to be made lower-case - NYPOST.com
Our tax dollars at work. Good to see that the feds have their priorities in order. Maybe it will "save or create" a few more jobs.
Each sign may cost $110 each, but you also have to add in the salary of the 5 person crew to change it. So your $27 million job is in reality will be more likely be $127 million.
So what if it does, not that you've shown that the total cost wasn't accounted. It's NY cities and states money. If they feel this is good use, that's up to them.
