24% Say Democrats Should Pass Health Care Reform Without GOP Votes

[elvis]

I think it would be great for the Dems to ignore all the polls. Indeedy. Pass it with reconciliation. Not only will it make Palin a non-issue, it may elect her to President. Something both I and the left wouldn't want. Inadvertent consequences.

How in the hell would this or anything else make Palin president?

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

If Democrats agree on a health care reform bill that is opposed by all Republicans in Congress, 24% of voters nationwide say the Democrats should pass that bill.

But a new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 58% believe the Democrats should change the bill to win support from "a reasonable number of Republicans." Nineteen percent (19%) are not sure what congressional Democrats should do.

Republican voters overwhelmingly think the bill should be changed, and so do 62% of those not affiliated with either major political party.

However, Democrats are more conflicted. Forty-one percent (41%) of those in the president’s party believe their legislators should pass the bill without any GOP votes, while 34% disagree and think the legislation should be changed to attract Republican support.

Most liberal voters (52%) say that Democrats should pass the legislation without the Republicans. Most moderates (55%) disagree.

In its question, Rasmussen Reports did not quantify what constitutes "a reasonable number" of Republican votes.

24% Say Democrats Should Pass Health Care Reform Without GOP Votes - Rasmussen Reports™

We need leadership, not poll driven decisions.

Fuck the GOP when it comes to health care. They fought every proposal to ever come down the pike including Medicare. Fuck 'em!

 

[Bern80]

The GOP wants to allow insurance purchase across state lines: Fact.

Because it encourage competition and reduce costs to the consumer.

The GOP wants to place strict caps which effectively eliminate malpractice suits: Fact.

Do you know nothing about the healthcare industry? A rather large reason way doctors charge so much is to cover the ridiculous cost of mal practice insurance. There does need to be some reform in that area so that you can't sue someone for a billion dollars because the messed removing your hang nail.

 

[garyd]

Actually ninrod the REps had four and never enough of a majority in the senate to accomplish anything if the Dems chose to stonewall it as they did in the case of reformimg fannie and freddie which might just have headed off our current disaster.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

The GOP wants to allow insurance purchase across state lines: Fact.

Because it encourage competition and reduce costs to the consumer.

The GOP wants to place strict caps which effectively eliminate malpractice suits: Fact.

Do you know nothing about the healthcare industry? A rather large reason way doctors charge so much is to cover the ridiculous cost of mal practice insurance. There does need to be some reform in that area so that you can't sue someone for a billion dollars because the messed removing your hang nail.

really?


I doubt that factoid can stand up to the light of scrutiny. Malpractice insurance and law suits against inept docs vary from state to state.

stop buying talking points without doing any real research.

 

[Dr.House]

I think it would be great for the Dems to ignore all the polls. Indeedy. Pass it with reconciliation. Not only will it make Palin a non-issue, it may elect her to President. Something both I and the left wouldn't want. Inadvertent consequences.

How in the hell would this or anything else make Palin president?

I think she means that if the democratics ignore the people and just rham this thru that the GOP could run a potted houseplant and it would likely beat the Ossiah come election time...

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

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[elvis]

I think it would be great for the Dems to ignore all the polls. Indeedy. Pass it with reconciliation. Not only will it make Palin a non-issue, it may elect her to President. Something both I and the left wouldn't want. Inadvertent consequences.

How in the hell would this or anything else make Palin president?

I think she means that if the democratics ignore the people and just rham this thru that the GOP could run a potted houseplant and it would likely beat the Ossiah come election time...

well ok. sorry, I just can't imagine Palin ever being able to win.

 

[DiveCon]

How in the hell would this or anything else make Palin president?

I think she means that if the democratics ignore the people and just rham this thru that the GOP could run a potted houseplant and it would likely beat the Ossiah come election time...

well ok. sorry, I just can't imagine Palin ever being able to win.

who could have imagined anyone as inexperienced as Obama wining 8 years ago?

 

[elvis]

I think she means that if the democratics ignore the people and just rham this thru that the GOP could run a potted houseplant and it would likely beat the Ossiah come election time...

well ok. sorry, I just can't imagine Palin ever being able to win.

who could have imagined anyone as inexperienced as Obama wining 8 years ago?

When he gave that speech at the 2004 DNC, I thought 2016 or 2020. I see your point, but after quitting?

 

[garyd]

What does AAJ stand for? No one is saying that people shouldn't have the right of redress when someone thought negligence screws the pooch. Waht we are saying is that rewards that exceed the amount of money the victim would have earned in a lifetime by a factor of five is little bit rediculous.

What we are saying is that the defensive medicine now required to prevent lawsuits probably harms more people than all the lawsuits put together have ever helped if you don't count the lawyers.

 

[Polk]

The GOP wants to allow insurance purchase across state lines: Fact.

Because it encourage competition and reduce costs to the consumer.

It reduces costs because it guts coverage.

The GOP wants to place strict caps which effectively eliminate malpractice suits: Fact.

Do you know nothing about the healthcare industry? A rather large reason way doctors charge so much is to cover the ridiculous cost of mal practice insurance. There does need to be some reform in that area so that you can't sue someone for a billion dollars because the messed removing your hang nail.

Except you're never been able to do to that.

 

[DiveCon]

well ok. sorry, I just can't imagine Palin ever being able to win.

who could have imagined anyone as inexperienced as Obama wining 8 years ago?

When he gave that speech at the 2004 DNC, I thought 2016 or 2020. I see your point, but after quitting?

yeah, in 2016 or 2020 he would have had more experience

i know what you are saying, but if she should somehow win the GOP nomination(not with my vote in a primary/caucus) who else would you really vote for?

 

[elvis]

who could have imagined anyone as inexperienced as Obama wining 8 years ago?

When he gave that speech at the 2004 DNC, I thought 2016 or 2020. I see your point, but after quitting?

yeah, in 2016 or 2020 he would have had more experience

i know what you are saying, but if she should somehow win the GOP nomination(not with my vote in a primary/caucus) who else would you really vote for?

Geez. I hope it doesn't come down to that.

 

[Dr.House]

How in the hell would this or anything else make Palin president?

I think she means that if the democratics ignore the people and just rham this thru that the GOP could run a potted houseplant and it would likely beat the Ossiah come election time...

well ok. sorry, I just can't imagine Palin ever being able to win.

Probably not now, but a lot can happen between now and election time...

I'm still of the mind that we have yet to see the eventual GOP front runner make a move... Gonna be interesting no matter who it is...

 

[Yurt]

I keep asking this and can't seem to get an answer. What is Obama waiting for? He doesn't need republican support. Could it be a few dems won't support it?

no. it's that he has this warped idea that he can play nice with schoolyard bullies and be "bi-partisan". I used to think so, too.

i think it's time he dissuades himself of that fallacy.

meadowmuffins....he said bi partisanship is over about his stimulus package....you're just making stuff up now...

 

[Ame®icano]

most schoolyard bullies are. That's why, when you hit them in the face, they run away crying....

yeah see if Hillary had won, you would have your health care bill by now.

That's because hillary has bigger balls than 0bama...

Plus, her husband is more black then The Chosen One.

 

[Maple]

Text of H.R.3400 as Introduced in House: To provide for incentives to encourage health insurance coverage, and... OpenCongress

 

[DiveCon]

I keep asking this and can't seem to get an answer. What is Obama waiting for? He doesn't need republican support. Could it be a few dems won't support it?

no. it's that he has this warped idea that he can play nice with schoolyard bullies and be "bi-partisan". I used to think so, too.

i think it's time he dissuades himself of that fallacy.

meadowmuffins....he said bi partisanship is over about his stimulus package....you're just making stuff up now...

he said it before then
when he entered the whitehouse the first thing he said to GOP leaders was "hey, i won"

 

[Polk]

no. it's that he has this warped idea that he can play nice with schoolyard bullies and be "bi-partisan". I used to think so, too.

i think it's time he dissuades himself of that fallacy.

meadowmuffins....he said bi partisanship is over about his stimulus package....you're just making stuff up now...

he said it before then
when he entered the whitehouse the first thing he said to GOP leaders was "hey, i won"

Yeah, when they had the nerve to try to dictate terms to him. I'd be pissed off too if I won and some arrogant jackass with an entitlement mentality marches in starts making demands.