223 match load=no worse winddrift than 308 fmj

[prison/con.net]

sorry to have to tell ya. 308 ball does NOT have the same drop and drift values as the 168 gr match 308 load. Not only that, but 308 ball is loaded for use in belt feds. So a lot of it only groups 2 MOA, at best. Many a 308 autorifle won't group better than 1.5 MOA ,even with match ammo.

Determining Wind Values And Making Your Shots

wind often GUSTS (or lulls). Notice that 308 can EASILY miss a man at 400 yds, if the 308 user "holds off" a full value of 10mph wind, and that wind suddenly stops. The fact is, if you've got a scoped AR with match ammo and a trigger job, you've got at LEAST as much effective range as the 308 auto guy has with iron sights and ball ammo. And every 308 fanboy "thinks" that his iron sighted 308, with ball ammo, has PLENTY of range. Well the fact is, he's limited to 400 yds for reliable hits (at best) even if the enemy IS erect, fully-exposed, frontal-oriented, and holding still, with no wind or mirage. and no errors being made by the shooter (ha ha).

 

[WinterBorn]

sorry to have to tell ya. 308 ball does NOT have the same drop and drift values as the 168 gr match 308 load. Not only that, but 308 ball is loaded for use in belt feds. So a lot of it only groups 2 MOA, at best. Many a 308 autorifle won't group better than 1.5 MOA ,even with match ammo.

Determining Wind Values And Making Your Shots

wind often GUSTS (or lulls). Notice that 308 can EASILY miss a man at 400 yds, if the 308 user "holds off" a full value of 10mph wind, and that wind suddenly stops. The fact is, if you've got a scoped AR with match ammo and a trigger job, you've got at LEAST as much effective range as the 308 auto guy has with iron sights and ball ammo. And every 308 fanboy "thinks" that his iron sighted 308, with ball ammo, has PLENTY of range. Well the fact is, he's limited to 400 yds for reliable hits (at best) even if the enemy IS erect, fully-exposed, frontal-oriented, and holding still, with no wind or mirage. and no errors being made by the shooter (ha ha).

Apples and oranges.

The fact that you want to compare a tuned AR with a scope and match ammo with a plain-jane .308 with no scope and crappy ammo shows the lengths you will go to make your rifle look better.

Take your tuned and scoped AR with match grade ammo, and compare it to a tuned and scoped .308 with match ammo. Then we will talk.

BTW, in another thread you talked about shooting a .223 using a "26 inch barrel like the .308 guys use". What .308 has a 26 inch barrel?

 

[WinterBorn]

As for a .308 not being any good beyond 400 yards, you might want to tell that to the Marines competing at Camp Perry and the Wimbledon Cup matches.

 

[9thIDdoc]

sorry to have to tell ya. 308 ball does NOT have the same drop and drift values as the 168 gr match 308 load. Not only that, but 308 ball is loaded for use in belt feds. So a lot of it only groups 2 MOA, at best. Many a 308 autorifle won't group better than 1.5 MOA ,even with match ammo.

Determining Wind Values And Making Your Shots

wind often GUSTS (or lulls). Notice that 308 can EASILY miss a man at 400 yds, if the 308 user "holds off" a full value of 10mph wind, and that wind suddenly stops. The fact is, if you've got a scoped AR with match ammo and a trigger job, you've got at LEAST as much effective range as the 308 auto guy has with iron sights and ball ammo. And every 308 fanboy "thinks" that his iron sighted 308, with ball ammo, has PLENTY of range. Well the fact is, he's limited to 400 yds for reliable hits (at best) even if the enemy IS erect, fully-exposed, frontal-oriented, and holding still, with no wind or mirage. and no errors being made by the shooter (ha ha).

Wrong. Much MUCH worse wind drift for the .223/5.56. Try reading a reloading manuaI. notice you don't even bother to argue otherwise above.
Aside from wind drift the .223 simply doesn't have the power to be reliably lethal at long range.
Simi-auto .308s/7.62 NATOs were the issue rifle for Army snipers during Vietnam. Never heard anyone complain about their accuracy. For that matter quite a few have been used over in the big sandbox.

 

[WinterBorn]

sorry to have to tell ya. 308 ball does NOT have the same drop and drift values as the 168 gr match 308 load. Not only that, but 308 ball is loaded for use in belt feds. So a lot of it only groups 2 MOA, at best. Many a 308 autorifle won't group better than 1.5 MOA ,even with match ammo.

Determining Wind Values And Making Your Shots

wind often GUSTS (or lulls). Notice that 308 can EASILY miss a man at 400 yds, if the 308 user "holds off" a full value of 10mph wind, and that wind suddenly stops. The fact is, if you've got a scoped AR with match ammo and a trigger job, you've got at LEAST as much effective range as the 308 auto guy has with iron sights and ball ammo. And every 308 fanboy "thinks" that his iron sighted 308, with ball ammo, has PLENTY of range. Well the fact is, he's limited to 400 yds for reliable hits (at best) even if the enemy IS erect, fully-exposed, frontal-oriented, and holding still, with no wind or mirage. and no errors being made by the shooter (ha ha).

Wrong. Much MUCH worse wind drift for the .223/5.56. Try reading a reloading manuaI. notice you don't even bother to argue otherwise above.
Aside from wind drift the .223 simply doesn't have the power to be reliably lethal at long range.
Simi-auto .308s/7.62 NATOs were the issue rifle for Army snipers during Vietnam. Never heard anyone complain about their accuracy. For that matter quite a few have been used over in the big sandbox.

It appears our poser has been banned. Now he has more time to practice his quick draw.

You are absolutely right about the .308.

 

[9thIDdoc]

Real Guns - Ruger s SR-762 Part 1 :

Cartridge Bullet
Grains MV
FPS ME
Ft-Lbs 300 Yd
FPS 300 Yd
Ft-Lbs 300 Yd
Drop
223 Remington 62 3100 1323 2147 635 -7.1
6.5 Grendel 123 2580 1818 2090 1193 -9.2
6.8 SPC 115 2775 1966 1996 1117 -9.0
300 AAC Blackout 125 2215 1360 1441 576 -16.5
30 Remington AR 125 2800 2176 1887 988 -9.6
450 Bushmaster 260 2180 2743 1140 751 -23.0
458 SOCOM 300 1750 2040 1033 711 -32.5
50 Beowulf 325 1800 2339 945 644 -37.6
308 Winchester 168 2840 3008 2270 1921 -7.5
All cartridges with 200 yard zero

The 308 Winchester hangs onto velocity longer than any of the rounds listed on the table above, which means it also has higher kinetic energy and bullets stay in the good graces of gravity over a longer distance. The 223 Remington is an exception in that is has minutely flatter trajectory, however, the 308 Winchester carries 3 time the energy at 300 yards. Do the same numerical assessments have tactical, law enforcement and personal security implications? I am sure they do, however, I'll leave those assessment for someone more qualified in those areas.