2016 Republican primary

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  1. JoeB131
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    Okay, I'm going to play your little game.

    Not seeing how you can't be "compassionate" and "conservative". It's not an oxymoron. Frankly, I considered myself compassionate when I was conservative, I was just disgusted to see the plutocrats who really ran things weren't.

    Ran big deficits. Um. Yeah. So did Reagan. For the same reason, drinking the Supply Side Koolaid that tax cuts on the wealthy will create prosperity and revenues. (It doesn't.)

    Invaded Countries- that attacked us first or had been hostile to us for years. Not a liberal or conservative position. (When it comes to foreign policy, there isn't a lot of variation.)

    Exanded social programs- Again, he did it the Republican way, by making the rich richer. So instead of having Medicare Part D just buy the drugs, he gave a huge giveaway to be Pharma. Just like the rich got big giveaway on the War on Terror, which was outsourced to big corporations.

    The problem with Bush is he talked like a conservative, and acted like a Plutocrat.
     
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    Translation: Frank is still lost in McCarthyville.
     
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    True.

    It comes down to whether republicans are more interested in responsible governance or their childish, naïve TPM fantasy.
     
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    I suppose the main contenders at this point are:

    Jeb Bush
    Chris Christie
    Rand Paul
    Ted Cruz
    Marco Rubio
    Paul Ryan
    Scott Walker
    Rick Santorum

    I'm not really taking Scott Brown or Rick Perry too seriously right now, but at least Brown might be interesting when it comes to how he deals with Tea Partiers in the debates.

    I think we're going to be seeing the real-world Republicans battling the fantasy/alternate universe Republicans who appear to invent their own sense of the present and of history.

    I don't know if Jeb is too late. The Bush brand is still very much in the toilet. I think Christie would be interesting, but he's not a hard right guy in a party that seems to hate anyone who is not at least practically militant about being on the hard right.
     
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    The GOP establishment and George Soros will support Jeb and Christie respectively. I think Palin and Dr Ben Carson will be the GOP candidates
     
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    Now that would be fun.:blowup:
     
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    I think the real world republicans need to be as militant in their position as the fantasy/alternative Republicans. Don't give an inch and insist on realistic solutions to our problems
    It is the pandering to the nutjobs that is making it impossible to win
     
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    Realistic candidates: Bush, Christie, Paul, Rubio

    Fringe candidates: Paul, Ryan

    Flame out candidates: Cruz, Walker, Carson, Palin, Santorum, Perry
     
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    The realistic candidates need to order the others to get back in the clown car. Stop taking them seriously. Make it clear that there are adults in the Republican Party and that they no longer tolerate the nonsense
     
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    November 18, 2015
    Oops! Smarter lefties realize they have a losing hand on Syrian 'refugees'
    By Thomas Lifson


    Kevin Drum of Mother Jones is an old hand on the left and has seen enough politics that he realizes what a big looser of an issue the Syrian “refugee” inflow is for the Democrats and the left. He cautions his fellow progs:

    Over the past 24 hours, almost half of the nation's governors — all but one of them Republicans — have said they plan to refuse to allow Syrian immigrants into their states in the wake of the Paris attacks carried out by the Islamic State....That stance has been greeted with widespread ridicule and disgust by Democrats who insist that keeping people out of the U.S. is anathema to the founding principles of the country.

    ....Think what you will, but one thing is clear: The political upside for Republican politicians pushing an immigration ban on Syrians and/or Muslims as a broader response to the threat posed by the Islamic State sure looks like a political winner.



    I pointed out this out a couple of days ago, in fact. And Chris Cilizza of the Washington Post agreed:

    The political upside for Republican politicians pushing an immigration ban on Syrians and/or Muslims as a broader response to the threat posed by the Islamic State sure looks like a political winner.

    The Pew Research Center did an in-depth poll looking into Americans' view on Islamic extremism in the the fall of 2014 — and its findings suggest that politicians like Cruz have virtually nothing to lose in this fight over how best to respond to ISIS's latest act of violence.

    ...

    Blog: Oops! Smarter lefties realize they have a losing hand on Syrian 'refugees'
     

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