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If you think Biden's behavor was orchestrated with the moderator, Foxfyre, you are becoming delusional.
You are becoming a sad yet accurate facsimile of the libertarian wing and the extremist wing descending into unreality.
If Martha Raddatz had REALLY wanted a debate, Jake...she would have given Joe Biden a short lecture on debate etiquette and told him to refrain from what he was doing. His actions went so far across the line that it's something that should have been done but in Raddatz's defense I'm sure she had no inkling that a Vice President of the United States would act in such a way and was hesitant to lecture him like you would a disruptive schoolboy making farting noises in the back of class.
If you think Biden's behavor was orchestrated with the moderator, Foxfyre, you are becoming delusional.
You are becoming a sad yet accurate facsimile of the libertarian wing and the extremist wing descending into unreality.
If Martha Raddatz had REALLY wanted a debate, Jake...she would have given Joe Biden a short lecture on debate etiquette and told him to refrain from what he was doing. His actions went so far across the line that it's something that should have been done but in Raddatz's defense I'm sure she had no inkling that a Vice President of the United States would act in such a way and was hesitant to lecture him like you would a disruptive schoolboy making farting noises in the back of class.
She did as good a job as she could have done with him.
You all are whining about JoebeingJoe, and what should have been done.
Not one of you would have done a thing.
If you think Biden's behavor was orchestrated with the moderator, Foxfyre, you are becoming delusional.
You are becoming a sad yet accurate facsimile of the libertarian wing and the extremist wing descending into unreality.
If Martha Raddatz had REALLY wanted a debate, Jake...she would have given Joe Biden a short lecture on debate etiquette and told him to refrain from what he was doing. His actions went so far across the line that it's something that should have been done but in Raddatz's defense I'm sure she had no inkling that a Vice President of the United States would act in such a way and was hesitant to lecture him like you would a disruptive schoolboy making farting noises in the back of class.
How sad is it that bumbling Joe had to rescue O
She did as good a job as she could have done with him.
You all are whining about JoebeingJoe, and what should have been done.
Not one of you would have done a thing.
If Martha Raddatz had REALLY wanted a debate, Jake...she would have given Joe Biden a short lecture on debate etiquette and told him to refrain from what he was doing. His actions went so far across the line that it's something that should have been done but in Raddatz's defense I'm sure she had no inkling that a Vice President of the United States would act in such a way and was hesitant to lecture him like you would a disruptive schoolboy making farting noises in the back of class.
You know what, Jake...my late father was the Town Meeting Moderator for many years in the Massachusetts town I grew up in. I've seen him oversee some extremely contentious debates over some explosive topics and I can guarantee you that he would have NEVER stood for what Joe Biden was doing on that stage. I would have done what I've witnessed my father do countless times...namely stop the proceedings and warn all those involved that we were there to conduct important business for the voters and that disruptive behavior would not be tolerated. THAT is first and foremost the most important thing that a moderator DOES and on that, Martha Raddatz fell woefully short.
very true. well even better new for conservative after usa today poll so did not help obamaAll it would have taken was for Martha Raddatz to put up her hand...look Joe Biden dead in the eyes and say: "Mr Vice President...this is a debate about the future of the country...it's isn't a laughing matter. Please respect the venue and the American people."
I guarantee you that Joe Biden would have folded like a tent.
The Obama Campaign doesn't have the need for "shenanigans", Foxie...they know only too well that the moderators in ALL these debates are already predisposed to their views. When Martha Raddatz demands "details" from Paul Ryan but doesn't ask the same of Joe Biden then it's obvious that she went into that debate with the mindset that Ryan/Romney's tax plan isn't viable because it's not set in stone how it will be finalized. Where was the demand for details about how just a tax on the wealthy will pay for all of the additional entitlements that Obama/Biden have promised? Ryan correctly pointed out that taking ALL of the earnings of the 1% would only fund government for 90 days while it would cause our economy to crater but Raddatz didn't demand details from Biden on how their plan was going to decrease the deficit.
The Obama Campaign doesn't have the need for "shenanigans", Foxie...they know only too well that the moderators in ALL these debates are already predisposed to their views. When Martha Raddatz demands "details" from Paul Ryan but doesn't ask the same of Joe Biden then it's obvious that she went into that debate with the mindset that Ryan/Romney's tax plan isn't viable because it's not set in stone how it will be finalized. Where was the demand for details about how just a tax on the wealthy will pay for all of the additional entitlements that Obama/Biden have promised? Ryan correctly pointed out that taking ALL of the earnings of the 1% would only fund government for 90 days while it would cause our economy to crater but Raddatz didn't demand details from Biden on how their plan was going to decrease the deficit.
This one was different though. You had Biden who gets it wrong as often as he gets it right, a perpetual gaffe machine who can't remember facts straight to save his life, going up against a bright, capable, very well informed, and no doubt very well prepared Ryan who WOULD remember the facts and report them competently. A sure prescription for a total train wreck in a normal debate and that the Obama campaign no doubt simply could not risk. But neither could they afford how it would look for Biden to refuse to debate Ryan.
So the solution? Just send Joe out as laughing Joe to make sure Ryan wasn't allowed to drive home a single point. And, as you pointed out, Radditz did not shy away from shutting Ryan down, cutting him off, interjecting her own follow up before he had even finished his sentence. She did not do that to Biden though she did give the appearance of enforcing time during the times he could speak--you know when he could speak unimpeded without somebody covering up his words?
Was that by design. My cynical side says probably because it was the only way they had to do damage control. Maybe not. But I'm long past believing they couldn't go that low.
That Ryan asshole brought up a fatal car crash in front of the guy who lost his wife and daughter in one. Shit, when it was done, you half-expected the Vice President to brush his shoulder.
