2010 The hottest year on record

[konradv]

The physics of the situation cares not at all what you believe.

A few degrees warmer means that feedbacks kick in that will make it more than just a few degrees warmer. And many species, already under stress from our population, will find their niche gone. So even as the human population undergoes a rapid diminishment, the other species will be doing the same, many to the point of extinction.

you assume that the human population will rapidly diminish because the temp went up a few degrees?

That's a big assumption.

No bigger than assuming it won't! The problem isn't the few degrees, but the amplification of heat as higher temps lead to more vapor in the atmosphere and then, as we're told every day because water is the major GHG, MORE HEAT!!!

 

[Skull Pilot]

The physics of the situation cares not at all what you believe.

A few degrees warmer means that feedbacks kick in that will make it more than just a few degrees warmer. And many species, already under stress from our population, will find their niche gone. So even as the human population undergoes a rapid diminishment, the other species will be doing the same, many to the point of extinction.

you assume that the human population will rapidly diminish because the temp went up a few degrees?

That's a big assumption.

No bigger than assuming it won't! The problem isn't the few degrees, but the amplification of heat as higher temps lead to more vapor in the atmosphere and then, as we're told every day because water is the major GHG, MORE HEAT!!!

prove how hotter temps will kill off people.

Sea levels might rise but people will move. You cannot prove there will be famine or catastrophe. For all you know more people will experience longer more temperate growing seasons allowing food to be grown more abundantly in places.

I can just a easily say the more water vapor in the atmosphere will create more clouds and those clouds will reflect a great deal of solar radiation.

So stop the chicken little, we're all going to die shit. People will survive even though you believe it benefits you to think they won't

 

[konradv]

If heat gets extreme, there would be less and less food as desertification sets in. Tropical diseases and their carrier insects would spread to more of the world. Increases in storm intensity would make living on the coast more dangerous. Well there's a few. Give me time, I'm sure there's more.

 

[Skull Pilot]

If heat gets extreme, there would be less and less food as desertification sets in. Tropical diseases and their carrier insects would spread to more of the world. Increases in storm intensity would make living on the coast more dangerous. Well there's a few. Give me time, I'm sure there's more.

yawn. keep screaming chicken little.

People will move from the coasts. Building methods will improve to better withstand the weather if it get worse. Pesticides will improve. Cold places that couldn't produce food will make up for places that might get too hot to produce crops.

There's a few for you.

 

[JWBooth]

If heat gets extreme, there would be less and less food as desertification sets in. Tropical diseases and their carrier insects would spread to more of the world. Increases in storm intensity would make living on the coast more dangerous. Well there's a few. Give me time, I'm sure there's more.

So which is it? The world becomes a desert, or a steaming tropical jungle?

 

[boedicca]

It's the coldest summer since 1955 in Oaklandtown, and in some parts of the Bay Area, the coldest on record.

It's also the coldest summer in Southern CA in 100 years.

 

[konradv]

If heat gets extreme, there would be less and less food as desertification sets in. Tropical diseases and their carrier insects would spread to more of the world. Increases in storm intensity would make living on the coast more dangerous. Well there's a few. Give me time, I'm sure there's more.

So which is it? The world becomes a desert, or a steaming tropical jungle?

Who said this is an "either/or" question? Another denier trick! This is what is known in Logic as the Fallacy of the False Choice. In the cite below it's called the "False Dilemma".

List of fallacies - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[JWBooth]

If heat gets extreme, there would be less and less food as desertification sets in. Tropical diseases and their carrier insects would spread to more of the world. Increases in storm intensity would make living on the coast more dangerous. Well there's a few. Give me time, I'm sure there's more.

So which is it? The world becomes a desert, or a steaming tropical jungle?

Who said this is an "either/or" question? Another denier trick! This is what is known in Logic as the Fallacy of the False Choice. In the cite below it's called the "False Dilemma".

List of fallacies - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hey sparky, just taking your post at face value.

First you state that desertification sets in. Then you claim tropical insects will spread tropical diseases. Now I know of no tropical insects that thrive in desert climes.

 

[konradv]

So which is it? The world becomes a desert, or a steaming tropical jungle?

Who said this is an "either/or" question? Another denier trick! This is what is known in Logic as the Fallacy of the False Choice. In the cite below it's called the "False Dilemma".

List of fallacies - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hey sparky, just taking your post at face value.

First you state that desertification sets in. Then you claim tropical insects will spread tropical diseases. Now I know of no tropical insects that thrive in desert climes.

Did I say the whole world would be a desert or a jungle? You're not taking my post a face value, you're SPINNING it. Here's a suggestion. You tell me what you think and I'll tell you what I think. You apparently get yourself into trouble trying to read other people's minds. Read the posts and leave mind-reading to the professionals.

 

[westwall]

The physics of the situation cares not at all what you believe.

A few degrees warmer means that feedbacks kick in that will make it more than just a few degrees warmer. And many species, already under stress from our population, will find their niche gone. So even as the human population undergoes a rapid diminishment, the other species will be doing the same, many to the point of extinction.

you assume that the human population will rapidly diminish because the temp went up a few degrees?

That's a big assumption.

No bigger than assuming it won't! The problem isn't the few degrees, but the amplification of heat as higher temps lead to more vapor in the atmosphere and then, as we're told every day because water is the major GHG, MORE HEAT!!!

Verifiable history tells us it will be better when its warmer. Try reading a book.

 

[westwall]

If heat gets extreme, there would be less and less food as desertification sets in. Tropical diseases and their carrier insects would spread to more of the world. Increases in storm intensity would make living on the coast more dangerous. Well there's a few. Give me time, I'm sure there's more.

Well you can scratch desertification off of your list of "global warming" problems. Highlighted in blue per usual.

Desertification is the process which turns productive into non- productive desert as a result of poor land-management. Desertification occurs mainly in semi-arid areas (average annual rainfall less than 600 mm) bordering on deserts. In the Sahel, (the semi-arid area south of the Sahara Desert), for example, the desert moved 100 km southwards between 1950 and 1975.


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WHAT CAUSES DESERTIFICATION?
* Overgrazing is the major cause of desertification worldwide. Plants of semi-arid areas are adapted to being eaten by sparsely scattered, large, grazing mammals which move in response to the patchy rainfall common to these regions. Early human pastoralists living in semi-arid areas copied this natural system. They moved their small groups of domestic animals in response to food and water availability. Such regular stock movement prevented overgrazing of the fragile plant cover.

In modern times, the use of fences has prevented domestic and wild animals from moving in response to food availability, and overgrazing has often resulted. However, when used correctly, fencing is a valuable tool of good veld management.

The use of boreholes and windmills also allows livestock to stay all-year round in areas formerly grazed only during the rains when seasonal pans held water. Where not correctly planned and managed, provision of drinking water has contributed to the massive advance of deserts in recent years as animals gather around waterholes and overgraze the area.

* Cultivation of marginal lands, i.e lands on which there is a high risk of crop failure and a very low economic return, for example, some parts of South Africa where maize is grown.

* Destruction of vegetation in arid regions, often for fuelwood.

* Poor grazing management after accidental burning of semi-arid vegetation.

* Incorrect irrigation practices in arid areas can cause salinization, (the build up of salts in the soil) which can prevent plant growth.

When the practices described above coincide with drought, the rate of desertification increases dramatically.

Increasing human population and poverty contribute to desertification as poor people may be forced to overuse their environment in the short term, without the ability to plan for the long term effects of their actions. Where livestock has a social importance beyond food, people might be reluctant to reduce their stock numbers.




Desertification

 

[Old Rocks]

Do tell. It was much better during the P-T Extinction event? Adrupt climate change will involve inevitable surprises.

Abrupt Climate Change: Inevitable Surprises

40% of the phytoplankton are gone in the ocean. Acidification? Increased temperatures? Pollution? We don't know, but a loss that big at the base of the oceanic food chain is rather significant, to say nothing of the role phytoplankton play in the production of oxygen.

Now we are seeing increased frequencies of precipitation events, as well as more severe and frequent heat waves. Exactly as predicted by the climatologists.

What we have here are a few ignroramouses on an internet board trying to demonstrate that they know more than the scientists, and proving their incredible ignorance of science.

 

[Old Rocks]

American Geophysical Union

Impact of desertification and global warming on soil carbon in northern China

Impact of desertification and global warming on soil carbon in northern China

Impact of desertification and global warming on soil carbon in northern China
Feng Qi

Cold and Arid Regions Environmental and Engineering Research Institute, Chinese Academy of Sciences, Lanzhou, China

Liu Wei

Cold and Arid Regions Environmental and Engineering Research Institute, Chinese Academy of Sciences, Lanzhou, China

Liu Yansui

Institute of Geographic Sciences and Natural Resources Research, Beijing, China.

Z. Yanwu

Cold and Arid Regions Environmental and Engineering Research Institute, Chinese Academy of Sciences, Lanzhou, China

S. Yonghong

Cold and Arid Regions Environmental and Engineering Research Institute, Chinese Academy of Sciences, Lanzhou, China

While the global rise in mean day/night and seasonal air temperatures (ATE) of recent decades is well documented, its influence on levels of soil-sequestered organic carbon, and on emission rates of CO2 and other greenhouse gases emanating therefrom, is only beginning to garner serious attention. This has resulted in a limited but growing understanding, particularly in the context of the lands of the Chinese subcontinent, of the mechanisms underlying such emissions. Some 340 soil samples from 12 different sandy land regions in China were analyzed for soil organic carbon (SOC) content. Stepwise regression identified correlations between SOC and a number of climatic factors measured at the sampling sites: winter, summer, nighttime and daytime ATE, and precipitation. In desertified lands, net SOC losses showed a direct correlation with precipitation but no significant relationship with mean ATE. However, in northwest and northeast China, decreases in SOC were linked to rises in day/night and seasonal ATE, while in north central China they were linked to a rise in mean ATE. Between 1900 and 1998, mean ATE in the northwest, northeast, and north central regions rose by 0.14E, 0.28E, and 0.15E decade−1, respectively. Meanwhile, precipitation dropped by 25 mm decade−1 across these regions. In this study, day/night and seasonal ATE showed differing levels of significance with respect to their linear relationships with SOC content. Driven by rises in day/night and seasonal ATE, long-term alterations to global ecosystemic processes, particularly the carbon cycle, may quantitatively and qualitatively alter the flora of desertified ecosystems. Our study suggests that, over the last 40 years, anthropogenic factors, precipitation, and rises in ATE (particularly nighttime and winter) have contributed 47%, 26%, and 20%, respectively, of greenhouse gas emissions from SOC. It is apparent that for China's desertified lands, human activity is the primary causative factor in the release of SOC-derived greenhouse gases to the atmosphere, while geography and climatic extremes individually play a lesser role.

 

[Chris]

National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) released their monthly report on global climate. The findings show that July 2010 was the 2nd warmest July on record, second only to July of 1998.Also from the period of January through July had the warmest average ever recorded. NOAA also found that the global sea surface temperatures were the fifth warmest on record for the month of July and for the period of January through July 2010 it was the 2nd warmest period, the warmest was recorded in 1998. July was the 305th consecutive month with a global temperature above the 20th century average.

Global temperatures warmest on record. - National NOAA Headlines | Examiner.com

 

[westwall]

National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) released their monthly report on global climate. The findings show that July 2010 was the 2nd warmest July on record, second only to July of 1998.Also from the period of January through July had the warmest average ever recorded. NOAA also found that the global sea surface temperatures were the fifth warmest on record for the month of July and for the period of January through July 2010 it was the 2nd warmest period, the warmest was recorded in 1998. July was the 305th consecutive month with a global temperature above the 20th century average.

Global temperatures warmest on record. - National NOAA Headlines | Examiner.com

NOAA Has lost whatever credibility they had with this fiasco. Try finding a more honest and accurate source 'cause they suck!

Top Climate Scientists Speak out on the Satellitegate Scandal

 

[edthecynic]

National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) released their monthly report on global climate. The findings show that July 2010 was the 2nd warmest July on record, second only to July of 1998.Also from the period of January through July had the warmest average ever recorded. NOAA also found that the global sea surface temperatures were the fifth warmest on record for the month of July and for the period of January through July 2010 it was the 2nd warmest period, the warmest was recorded in 1998. July was the 305th consecutive month with a global temperature above the 20th century average.

Global temperatures warmest on record. - National NOAA Headlines | Examiner.com

NOAA Has lost whatever credibility they had with this fiasco. Try finding a more honest and accurate source 'cause they suck!

Top Climate Scientists Speak out on the Satellitegate Scandal

Christy and Spencer, the two frauds who got caught deliberately using the opposite sign to correct for diurnal satellite drift, are only credible to other frauds.
Of course, being frauds makes them "top climate scientists" to deniers.
Try finding a more honest and accurate source 'cause they suck!

 

[westwall]

National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) released their monthly report on global climate. The findings show that July 2010 was the 2nd warmest July on record, second only to July of 1998.Also from the period of January through July had the warmest average ever recorded. NOAA also found that the global sea surface temperatures were the fifth warmest on record for the month of July and for the period of January through July 2010 it was the 2nd warmest period, the warmest was recorded in 1998. July was the 305th consecutive month with a global temperature above the 20th century average.

Global temperatures warmest on record. - National NOAA Headlines | Examiner.com

NOAA Has lost whatever credibility they had with this fiasco. Try finding a more honest and accurate source 'cause they suck!

Top Climate Scientists Speak out on the Satellitegate Scandal

Christy and Spencer, the two frauds who got caught deliberately using the opposite sign to correct for diurnal satellite drift, are only credible to other frauds.
Of course, being frauds makes them "top climate scientists" to deniers.
Try finding a more honest and accurate source 'cause they suck!

Well gee ed, are the satellites accurate or not? 600 degrees seems to me to be a pretty fantastic reading don't you? It would certainly bring new meaning to global warming now wouldn't it

 

[edthecynic]

NOAA Has lost whatever credibility they had with this fiasco. Try finding a more honest and accurate source 'cause they suck!

Top Climate Scientists Speak out on the Satellitegate Scandal

Christy and Spencer, the two frauds who got caught deliberately using the opposite sign to correct for diurnal satellite drift, are only credible to other frauds.
Of course, being frauds makes them "top climate scientists" to deniers.
Try finding a more honest and accurate source 'cause they suck!

Well gee ed, are the satellites accurate or not? 600 degrees seems to me to be a pretty fantastic reading don't you? It would certainly bring new meaning to global warming now wouldn't it

When Christy and Spencer were cooking the UAH satellite data to show global cooling since 1998, deniers said that satellite data was the ONLY accurate data. Now that they can no longer cook the data, all of a sudden satellite data must be discredited.

Try finding a more honest and accurate source 'cause they suck!

 

[Chris]

In Texas...

Houston will likely record its highest ever monthly temperature this August.

Through Thursday the city’s average temperature of 88.3 degrees this month is nearly a full degree above the hottest months on record — July 1980 and August 1962 — which each reached 87.5 degrees.

“At this point I’m fairly confident that this August is going to be the warmest month of all time,” said Chuck Roeseler, a senior forecaster with the Houston/Galveston office of the National Weather Service.

Although temperatures may moderate by the middle of next week, this weekend should be brutally hot.

Daytime highs will crest near 100 degrees as a high-pressure system keeps the mercury up. Overnight lows are likely to remain near 80 degrees.

It is this inability of temperatures to cool down overnight that has led to this month’s record warmth.

Prior to this summer, just once in the city’s 110-plus years of records had a daily minimum temperature ever bottomed out at 83 degrees in August.

Mercury nears a record in Houston's brutal heat | Houston & Texas News | Chron.com - Houston Chronicle

 

[westwall]

In Texas...

Houston will likely record its highest ever monthly temperature this August.

Through Thursday the city’s average temperature of 88.3 degrees this month is nearly a full degree above the hottest months on record — July 1980 and August 1962 — which each reached 87.5 degrees.

“At this point I’m fairly confident that this August is going to be the warmest month of all time,” said Chuck Roeseler, a senior forecaster with the Houston/Galveston office of the National Weather Service.

Although temperatures may moderate by the middle of next week, this weekend should be brutally hot.

Daytime highs will crest near 100 degrees as a high-pressure system keeps the mercury up. Overnight lows are likely to remain near 80 degrees.

It is this inability of temperatures to cool down overnight that has led to this month’s record warmth.

Prior to this summer, just once in the city’s 110-plus years of records had a daily minimum temperature ever bottomed out at 83 degrees in August.

Mercury nears a record in Houston's brutal heat | Houston & Texas News | Chron.com - Houston Chronicle

Houston Huh? So far it's the first summer since 1997 that Houston HASN'T HIT 100 DEGREES. You might want to check your hysteria a little closer next time there little one.

Not as hot as you thought: Temps yet to reach 100 | Houston & Texas News | Chron.com - Houston Chronicle