2009 "Warmest Decade"

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    Ah, the Copenhagen Cons are going full steam ahead, and the mainstream media outlets are simply parroting the claims of 2009 being the 5th warmest year on record, and the current decade as the warmest on record.

    And yet, even within the announcements we see the hedging, which is being under reported.

    From Reuters...

    The WMO used British -- including CRU -- and two U.S. data sources for its temperature analysis. "The three separately show almost identical results," said Jarraud.

    The fact that the record for the hottest year has not been broken since 1998 has helped fuel arguments from a small minority of scientists that climate change may not be as severe as feared.

    But MetOffice Hadley Centre's Pope said that temperatures had "climbed slightly" in the past decade. "There hasn't been a cooling (since the 1998 spike)," she said.

    The decade 2000-2009 was 0.4 degrees Celsius above the 1961-1990 average, while the 1990s decade was 0.23 degrees higher, said Pope.



    So they are utilizing a 1961-1990 AVERAGE as a basis for present comparison??? Did we not have scientists and media screaming of global cooling during much of that 1961-1990 period? So they are utilzing a colder than average time period - removing the warmer decades of the 1930s and 1940s, to do YET ANOTHER temperature sleight of hand.

    UN-FUCKING-BELIEVABLE.


    2009 set to be fifth warmest year on record | Green Business | Reuters
     
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    The record hottest year wasn't even 1998.

    The good news is that these snake oil peddlers won't be able to hide behind their fraudulent "science" anymore.
     
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    well in geologic terms, they're only off by 60 years... that practically makes em right. Close enough counts right?

    HALIBURTON! :cuckoo:
     
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    Here's the real story....

    COPENHAGEN, DENMARK — The first decade of the 21st century is shaping up to be the warmest decade on record globally, while 2009 is likely to crack the Top 10 list of warmest years, perhaps rising as high as No. 5.

    That’s based on a preliminary look at global climate trends released today by the World Meteorological Organization (WMO) at global climate change talks here in the Danish capital. The WMO’s data stretches back to 1850.

    Climate change: Scientists say this decade likely hottest on record | csmonitor.com
     
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    The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration concurs that this decade was probably the hottest since 1850, noting that average global surface temperatures are expected to reach 0.96 degree F. above the 20th-century average. This will easily surpass the 1990s value of 0.65 degree F.

    During the past year, climate-change skeptics have looked at individual annual average temperatures since 1998 and concluded that global warming has given way to global cooling. But climate specialists tend to look at long-term figures in ways that tease the trend out of the ups and downs of individual annual numbers.

    As for this year, 2009 was unusually cool in North America and Canada, according to the WMO’s analysis, which is based on readings taken from January through October. But the cooling in North America was more than offset by warmer-than-normal temperatures in other parts of the world. Australia posted its third-hottest year on record. Austral fall temperatures in Argentina, Uruguay, Paraguay, and Brazil hit record highs. China posted its third-warmest year in nearly 60 years. And even with its cool temperatures, the US is still likely to mark 2009 as slightly warmer than normal.

    Climate change: Scientists say this decade likely hottest on record | csmonitor.com
     
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    You must work for the American Petroleum Institute.

    Most scientists since 1959 have warned about global warming.

    We have doubled atmospheric CO2 in the last 200 years.

    CO2 is now at the highest level ever recorded, and the Antarctic ice core record goes back 600,000 years.

    But you attack the scientists because the science itself is good.
     
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    I'm not so sure about that.
    Over the last few days I've been actively searching for, and reading, material on this debate, and the MSM has almost without exception, been parroting the same ole bullshit and discrediting those asking questions. Or they are completely ignoring it, one or the other.

    It's become obvious, too me, that they are going to jam their oppressive agenda through no matter what is revealed, they've gone past the point of no return. Obama and his clan already have the EPA all lined up to do it if congress won't.
     
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    Record snowfall in Arizona - More than 4 times previous record! - Northern Arizona residents were digging out today from a powerful storm that dumped more than 20 inches of snow on Flagstaff, more than four times the record of 5 inches set in 1956. Flagstaff generally receives about 100 inches of snowfall a year.

    Ice and snow shut down I-5 shut in California - 7 Dec 09 - Interstate highway (I-5) was shut down in both directions tonight, according to the Weather Channel. Officials closed this major north-south highway at 6:00 pm due to ice and snow at Tejon Pass (elev. 4160 feet) on the Grapevine, according to the Weather Channel. The Grapevine is about 75 miles north of downtown Los Angeles. Meanwhile, Reno, Nevada was buried under heavy snow.

    Record Lows 2009

    12-05-2009 Saturday
    New record low temperature.
    28° at 5:41 AM.
    Old record was 32° in 1996.
    Mesa, Arizona weather

    The low temperature for January 15, 2007, was 20 degrees Fahrenheit in Tucson, AZ. The temperature broke the low record for January 15. The previous record for the day was 23 degrees Fahrenheit and was set over 40 years ago in 1964. This low is almost 20 degrees Fahrenheit below normal
    Record Low Temperatures in the Desert of Tuscon, AZ low for this time of year in Tucson.
    Record Low Temperatures in the Desert of Tuscon, AZ - Associated Content - associatedcontent.com

    The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) announced this week that the summer of 2009 was the 34th coolest since 1895. Covering the months from June to August for the contiguous United States, the average temperature was 0.4 degrees below the 20th century average.

    Emphasizing the lower temperatures experienced in the United States over the summer, a closer look at the statistics provides some telling information.

    Over the three month period, stations reporting to the National Climatic Data Center (NCDC) showed 2,254 daily record low temperatures and 1,296 low temperature records were tied according to preliminary data. Similarly, 4,051 daily record low maximums were recorded and 1,501 records were tied across the nation during the summer.
    NOAA: Summer 2009 was 34th coolest on record, more than 2,000 record lows recorded

    Perhaps its really got nothing much to do with whos scientist and whos data is best, perhaps it has more to do with , how much money those that stand to gain by using the data for whatever purposes they need them for. Further, this claim that somehow when those that call into question man made global warming is a consipracy of the mean old companies, I will point out that many oil companies, BP and Shell among them as well as petro chemical companies Dow are supporting Cap and Trade and climate change legislation. So much for that theory.
     

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