2009 second warmest year on record

[Toronado3800]

Is that the same NOAA that has drastically reduced their number of measuring and recording stations in colder climates and higher altitudes?

That's a pretty interesting question. Let's say we're taking readings for southern Nevada. Should I put my station on Mt Charleston? In the valley below? How about at Red Rock (the excellent park not the casino)?

Suppose there should be a station every xxx square miles located at the average elevation for the plotted area.

 

[Big Fitz]

Why don't you just come out and say that the only thing that would convince you is if the IPCC did a 180°?

It'd save us all a lot of time.

Naw... they won't believe that either. The IPCC is pulling away from a lot of bad science thanks to the revelations of the Himalayan Glaciers either not shrinking OR not been checked, but to have only been assumed to be doing what they desired.

So, what's to do? Savage the IPCC and claim they're succumbing to lies.

These cargo cultists won't believe even after the plane lands on the ground and men get out.

 

[Toronado3800]

Why don't you just come out and say that the only thing that would convince you is if the IPCC did a 180°?

It'd save us all a lot of time.

In other words - you don't have any actual published scientific research to back your claims.

Here are some steps you can take to overcome your addiction to the fake science of AGW They have helped millions of others, they can help you too!!
* Step 1 - We admitted we were powerless over the climate - that our lives had become unmanageable and that normal people found us extremely annoying!
* Step 2 - Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves - the SUN - controls the climate
* Step 3 - Made a decision to turn the climate over to Nature and the SUN
* Step 4 - Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves and stopped worshipping AL Gore
* Step 5 - Admitted ourselves and to another human being that we were fooled by AGW and that we wanted to believe it, even though it smelled funny from the beginning.
* Step 6 - Were entirely ready to have God (or GAIA) remove all these defects of character
* Step 7 - Humbly asked God (or GAIA) to remove our shortcomings
* Step 8 - Made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to make amends to them all, including people on internet forums and chatrooms
* Step 9 - Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others
* Step 10 - Continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong promptly admitted it
* Step 11 - Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with God (or GAIA), praying only for knowledge of God's (or GAIA's) will for us and the power to carry that out
* Step 12 - Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to other AGW addicts, and to practice these principles in all our affairs.

Good Luck!!

I'm confused or am coming into this in the middle.

Easily enough I ADMIT if the sun goes out it will get enough colder all the greenhouse gasses in the world won't save us. Also when the sun expands removing all the greenhouse gasses won't help.

Now I'm soo conservative I don't wanna go fooling with these natural levels of greenhouse or other gasses very much. Why run the risk? I'm not that lazy.

So I think we agree on turning over the climate issue to nature and the sun, meaning limit our pollution whenever possible and let nature run its course.

I don't think the rest of the points are more than talk radio type time fillers or items lobbed at the other side to make them angrier and more entrenched.

 

[Chris]

According to NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS), last year was tied for the second warmest year on record after 2005, the warmest year on record. If just looking at the southern hemisphere, however, 2009 proved the warmest yet recorded since record-taking began in 1880. Overall 2009 tied a total of five other years—four from the 2000s—for the second warmest on record. But, researchers say what is most important was that the past decade, from January 1st 2000 to December 31st 2009, proved the warmest on record.

"There's always interest in the annual temperature numbers and a given year's ranking, but the ranking often misses the point," James Hansen, GISS director, said in a press release. "There's substantial year-to-year variability of global temperature caused by the tropical El Nino-La Nina cycle. When we average temperature over five or ten years to minimize that variability, we find global warming is continuing unabated."

The year before last, 2008, was the coolest year of the 2000s due to a strong La Nina event that cooled the tropical Pacific Ocean, however warm temperatures made a comeback last year as the La Nina event fell back. Even an unseasonably cool December in North America did little to stem the overall warming trend in 2009.

"The contiguous 48 states cover only 1.5 percent of the world area, so the United States' temperature does not affect the global temperature much," Hansen explained.

NASA: 2009 second warmest year on record

 

[Oddball]

Looks like you didn't get the memo, either.

Home

Thermometer Years by Latitude Warm Globe Musings from the Chiefio

 

[Big Fitz]

The facts are coming out, and the propaganda is losing to truth. So of course, deny the truth, OR savage those who present the facts.

The lie must be true, because it creates the world as they intend it to be.

 

[Zander]

In other words - you don't have any actual published scientific research to back your claims.

Here are some steps you can take to overcome your addiction to the fake science of AGW They have helped millions of others, they can help you too!!
* Step 1 - We admitted we were powerless over the climate - that our lives had become unmanageable and that normal people found us extremely annoying!
* Step 2 - Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves - the SUN - controls the climate
* Step 3 - Made a decision to turn the climate over to Nature and the SUN
* Step 4 - Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves and stopped worshipping AL Gore
* Step 5 - Admitted ourselves and to another human being that we were fooled by AGW and that we wanted to believe it, even though it smelled funny from the beginning.
* Step 6 - Were entirely ready to have God (or GAIA) remove all these defects of character
* Step 7 - Humbly asked God (or GAIA) to remove our shortcomings
* Step 8 - Made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to make amends to them all, including people on internet forums and chatrooms
* Step 9 - Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others
* Step 10 - Continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong promptly admitted it
* Step 11 - Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with God (or GAIA), praying only for knowledge of God's (or GAIA's) will for us and the power to carry that out
* Step 12 - Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to other AGW addicts, and to practice these principles in all our affairs.

Good Luck!!

I'm confused or am coming into this in the middle.

Easily enough I ADMIT if the sun goes out it will get enough colder all the greenhouse gasses in the world won't save us. Also when the sun expands removing all the greenhouse gasses won't help.

Now I'm soo conservative I don't wanna go fooling with these natural levels of greenhouse or other gasses very much. Why run the risk? I'm not that lazy.

So I think we agree on turning over the climate issue to nature and the sun, meaning limit our pollution whenever possible and let nature run its course.

I don't think the rest of the points are more than talk radio type time fillers or items lobbed at the other side to make them angrier and more entrenched.

YOU are clearly NOT an AGW addict - that is good. You are, at least on this issue, normal. Some people are not normal when it comes to AGW - they actually believe that we should wipe our asses with 1 square of toilet paper and that this filthy habit will lower the temperature of the planet!! Those people need help. These 12 steps can help do that. Worst case, they'll have far cleaner bungholes!!

 

[Big Fitz]

YOU are clearly NOT an AGW addict - that is good. You are, at least on this issue, normal. Some people are not normal when it comes to AGW - they actually believe that we should wipe our asses with 1 square of toilet paper and that this filthy habit will lower the temperature of the planet!! Those people need help. These 12 steps can help do that. Worst case, they'll have far cleaner bungholes!!

Yep, that's one thing I respect about Tornado. He works to keep a rational/reasonable base under him.

 

[Chris]

The Sun is at its lowest level of activity in 80 years, and yet we still had the second warmest year on record.

And the ice continues to melt...

 

[Chris]

 

[Liability]

NASA: 2009 tied for 2nd-warmest year, 00s hottest decade too

Cooking the data adds to Global Warming.

Those fucking nit-wit AGW Faithers are the root of the problem!

 

[Chris]

NASA: 2009 tied for 2nd-warmest year, 00s hottest decade too

Cooking the data adds to Global Warming.

Those fucking nit-wit AGW Faithers are the root of the problem!

Your opinions don't mean much to the melting ice cap.

But thanks for playing!

 

[Liability]

NASA: 2009 tied for 2nd-warmest year, 00s hottest decade too

Cooking the data adds to Global Warming.

Those fucking nit-wit AGW Faithers are the root of the problem!

Your opinions don't mean much to the melting ice cap.

But thanks for playing!

Neither does the cooked data add to or detract from the average global temperature.

Thanks for playing so transparently!

The fraud you losers have tried to perpetrate got exposed and now you sissies are all wetting your panties. Boo fuckin' hoo.

Nobody cares and nobody with a brain is buyin' the shit you're tryin' to peddle.

 

[Chris]

Cooking the data adds to Global Warming.

Those fucking nit-wit AGW Faithers are the root of the problem!

Your opinions don't mean much to the melting ice cap.

But thanks for playing!

Neither does the cooked data add to or detract from the average global temperature.

Thanks for playing so transparently!

The fraud you losers have tried to perpetrate got exposed and now you sissies are all wetting your panties. Boo fuckin' hoo.

Nobody cares and nobody with a brain is buyin' the shit you're tryin' to peddle.

The Sun is at its lowest level of activity in 80 years, and yet the ice continues to melt.

Why?

 

[concept]

Your opinions don't mean much to the melting ice cap.

But thanks for playing!

Neither does the cooked data add to or detract from the average global temperature.

Thanks for playing so transparently!

The fraud you losers have tried to perpetrate got exposed and now you sissies are all wetting your panties. Boo fuckin' hoo.

Nobody cares and nobody with a brain is buyin' the shit you're tryin' to peddle.

The Sun is at its lowest level of activity in 80 years, and yet the ice continues to melt.

Why?

Where is it melting?

 

[Chris]

Neither does the cooked data add to or detract from the average global temperature.

Thanks for playing so transparently!

The fraud you losers have tried to perpetrate got exposed and now you sissies are all wetting your panties. Boo fuckin' hoo.

Nobody cares and nobody with a brain is buyin' the shit you're tryin' to peddle.

The Sun is at its lowest level of activity in 80 years, and yet the ice continues to melt.

Why?

Where is it melting?

 

[concept]

Sea Ice Extent.

IJIS Web Site

 

[Liability]

Your opinions don't mean much to the melting ice cap.

But thanks for playing!

Neither does the cooked data add to or detract from the average global temperature.

Thanks for playing so transparently!

The fraud you losers have tried to perpetrate got exposed and now you sissies are all wetting your panties. Boo fuckin' hoo.

Nobody cares and nobody with a brain is buyin' the shit you're tryin' to peddle.

The Sun is at its lowest level of activity in 80 years, and yet the ice continues to melt.

Why?

I believe it's possible that something might yet penetrate more deeply into your brain than that silly talking point you endlessly reiterate.

It does seem doubtful, considering that it's you we are talking about.

But my belief is an article of faith, as is your belief in AGW.

Do you imagine that there are a complex and not yet fully understood set of factors that directly and indirectly affect global climate over time? I do. And since the set of factors are NOT all known (at least not fully or all that well), I can pretty much guarantee you that none of your silly predictions ever manage to come true.

You kids REALLY should stop tying to manipulate and hide the data, though. It makes you look much worse than any and all of your failed predictions make you look.

 

[Chris]

Concept thanks for directing me to that website....

Total area of sea ice in Arctic Ocean smallest
since observations started
- Much faster pace of ice melting than forecasted -

August 16, 2007 (JST)
Japan Agency for Marine-Earth Science and Technology (JAMSTEC)
Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency (JAXA)

Overview
The Japan Agency for Marine-Earth Science and Technology (JAMSTEC, led by President Yasuhiro Kato) and the Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency (JAXA, led by President Keiji Tachikawa) cooperatively analyzed oceanic and atmospheric observation data and sea ice data acquired by satellites, and found that the sea ice area in the Arctic Ocean has been decreasing at a much faster pace than expected compared to the previous worst record in the summer of 2005. After satellite observations started in 1978, the observed area shrunk to its lowest level on August 15, 2007. Ice melting normally continues until mid September, thus further shrinkage of the sea ice area is expected.


JAXA | Total area of sea ice in Arctic Ocean smallest since observations started - Much faster pace of ice melting than forecasted -

 

[Chris]

ROME, Italy (CNN) -- Melting glaciers in the Alps may prompt Italy and Switzerland to redraw their borders near the Matterhorn, according to parliamentary draft legislation being readied in Rome.

Franco Narducci of Italy's opposition Democratic Party is preparing a bill to redefine the frontier with neighboring Switzerland, his office said Wednesday.

Narducci is a member of the foreign affairs panel in Italy's lower Chamber of Deputies. Foreign Minister Franco Frattini has authorized the bill.

Switzerland also has cooperated with Italy on the matter.

The Italian Military Geographic Institute says climate change is responsible for the Alpine glaciers melting.

Melting glaciers force Italy, Swiss to redraw border - CNN.com