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[kaz]

Wow, it took Gore that long? Government employees are slow, aren't they? I was a software architect in the late 80s and early 90s where I designed distributed processing applications across the internet. Corporations were extensively using the power of the internet long before Al Gore or the government got involved.

All Al Gore did was get the government to regulate and spend more money expanding bandwidth. To call that "creating the Internet" is ridiculous. And he didn't even use his own money. He just threw other people's money at it. And again, the creator of the internet actually meant he created the web, the internet had been around over 30 years at that point.

Yeah, to claim to have created the internet based on that is retarded and he totally deserves to be mocked for that

Yet in the IT field he is not mocked because his contributions were essential to the internet we have today. The only people who really mock hi contributions are partisans who think insulting the opposition is an acceptable form of debate.

Bull, everyone mocks him for thinking he invented the internet. I've never heard anyone defend that, even liberal IT people. They defend him for other things, but not for inventing the internet, no one in IT thinks he did that.

He didn't think or say he invented it. He was instrumental in its creation, but he never said he created it.

Internet of Lies

Yeah, he did say he created it. I've already presented the quote enough times, see if you can find it. Liar

Although Vice-President Gore's phrasing might have been a bit clumsy (and perhaps self-serving), he was not claiming that he "invented" the Internet in the sense of having designed or implemented it, but rather that he was responsible, in an economic and legislative sense, for fostering the development the technology that we now know as the Internet.

To claim that Gore was seriously trying to take credit for the "invention" of the Internet is, frankly, just silly political posturing that arose out of a close presidential campaign. Gore never used the word "invent," and the words "create" and "invent" have distinctly different meanings: the former is used in the sense of "to bring about" or "to bring into existence" while the latter is generally used to signify the first instance of someone's thinking up or implementing an idea.

I didn't quote "invented," you did. There is no difference between inventing and creating something, they are synonyms. Gore didn't invent it or create it and he didn't make it what it is. He threw some of other people's money at it and expanded capacity a bit. But that's it. It was a pretty non event from an IT standpoint at the time except the laugh out of his claiming to have invented the internet.

And again, the inventor of the internet didn't even know he was trying to take credit for the web, not the internet. The internet had been around 30 years. The extra capacity helped with the graphics of the web. But even then, it was mostly private money that funded it

 

[kaz]

Al Gore, the 45th Vice President of the United States, was a key proponent of sponsoring legislation that funded the expansion of and greater public access to the Internet. Instrumental in helping to create the “Information Superhighway,” Gore was one of the first government officials to recognize that the Internet’s impact could reach beyond academia to fuel educational and economic growth as well

Wow, it took Gore that long? Government employees are slow, aren't they? I was a software architect in the late 80s and early 90s where I designed distributed processing applications across the internet. Corporations were extensively using the power of the internet long before Al Gore or the government got involved.

All Al Gore did was get the government to regulate and spend more money expanding bandwidth. To call that "creating the Internet" is ridiculous. And he didn't even use his own money. He just threw other people's money at it. And again, the creator of the internet actually meant he created the web, the internet had been around over 30 years at that point.

Yeah, to claim to have created the internet based on that is retarded and he totally deserves to be mocked for that

Yet in the IT field he is not mocked because his contributions were essential to the internet we have today. The only people who really mock hi contributions are partisans who think insulting the opposition is an acceptable form of debate.

Bull, everyone mocks him for thinking he invented the internet. I've never heard anyone defend that, even liberal IT people. They defend him for other things, but not for inventing the internet, no one in IT thinks he did that.

Did you read my post? I told you I'm an IT guy. In the 80s to mid 90s I was technical, then I was in IT management until I got my MBA, since then I do IT management consulting and own a business. You don't know what you're talking about

Like I said only partisans say Gore claimed have invented the internet just like partisans say Palin claimed she can see Russia from her house. Obviously you've convinced me.

Yes, you've informed me of your tiny world that not democrat = republican. It's all you're capable of conceiving. To criticize Democrats is of course done only for the purpose of helping Republicans. There can be no other reason because there is nothing else.

As for Gore, it was a butt stupid comment and he deserves every bit of abuse he gets for saying it. I don't know what he meant, but he said he created it, he didn't say he helped it or advanced it, he said he created it. The guy is an idiot of a speaker like Quayle and Biden.

As for seeing Russia from her porch, Palin didn't say that, Tina Fey did. You learned one useful thing today, mission accomplished!

 

[Seawytch]

Although Vice-President Gore's phrasing might have been a bit clumsy (and perhaps self-serving), he was not claiming that he "invented" the Internet in the sense of having designed or implemented it, but rather that he was responsible, in an economic and legislative sense, for fostering the development the technology that we now know as the Internet.

To claim that Gore was seriously trying to take credit for the "invention" of the Internet is, frankly, just silly political posturing that arose out of a close presidential campaign. Gore never used the word "invent," and the words "create" and "invent" have distinctly different meanings: the former is used in the sense of "to bring about" or "to bring into existence" while the latter is generally used to signify the first instance of someone's thinking up or implementing an idea.[/QUOTE]

 

[BlindBoo]

Al Gore, the 45th Vice President of the United States, was a key proponent of sponsoring legislation that funded the expansion of and greater public access to the Internet. Instrumental in helping to create the “Information Superhighway,” Gore was one of the first government officials to recognize that the Internet’s impact could reach beyond academia to fuel educational and economic growth as well

Wow, it took Gore that long? Government employees are slow, aren't they? I was a software architect in the late 80s and early 90s where I designed distributed processing applications across the internet. Corporations were extensively using the power of the internet long before Al Gore or the government got involved.

All Al Gore did was get the government to regulate and spend more money expanding bandwidth. To call that "creating the Internet" is ridiculous. And he didn't even use his own money. He just threw other people's money at it. And again, the creator of the internet actually meant he created the web, the internet had been around over 30 years at that point.

Yeah, to claim to have created the internet based on that is retarded and he totally deserves to be mocked for that

Yet in the IT field he is not mocked because his contributions were essential to the internet we have today. The only people who really mock hi contributions are partisans who think insulting the opposition is an acceptable form of debate.

Bull, everyone mocks him for thinking he invented the internet. I've never heard anyone defend that, even liberal IT people. They defend him for other things, but not for inventing the internet, no one in IT thinks he did that.

Did you read my post? I told you I'm an IT guy. In the 80s to mid 90s I was technical, then I was in IT management until I got my MBA, since then I do IT management consulting and own a business. You don't know what you're talking about

Like I said only partisans say Gore claimed have invented the internet just like partisans say Palin claimed she can see Russia from her house. Obviously you've convinced me.

Yes, you've informed me of your tiny world that not democrat = republican. It's all you're capable of conceiving. To criticize Democrats is of course done only for the purpose of helping Republicans. There can be no other reason because there is nothing else.

As for Gore, it was a butt stupid comment and he deserves every bit of abuse he gets for saying it. I don't know what he meant, but he said he created it, he didn't say he helped it or advanced it, he said he created it. The guy is an idiot of a speaker like Quayle and Biden.

As for seeing Russia from her porch, Palin didn't say that, Tina Fey did. You learned one useful thing today, mission accomplished!

Yes, and thank you once again for proving your partisanship.

 

[kaz]

Although Vice-President Gore's phrasing might have been a bit clumsy (and perhaps self-serving), he was not claiming that he "invented" the Internet in the sense of having designed or implemented it, but rather that he was responsible, in an economic and legislative sense, for fostering the development the technology that we now know as the Internet.

To claim that Gore was seriously trying to take credit for the "invention" of the Internet is, frankly, just silly political posturing that arose out of a close presidential campaign. Gore never used the word "invent," and the words "create" and "invent" have distinctly different meanings: the former is used in the sense of "to bring about" or "to bring into existence" while the latter is generally used to signify the first instance of someone's thinking up or implementing an idea.

I know of no reasonable way he created anything. He funded bandwidth expansion with other people's money, but that's way overblown. Most of the internet expansion was funded by companies.

Tell me what he thinks he created that isn't just butt stupid that he totally deserves to be mocked for saying

 

[paperview]

Internet pioneers Robert Kahn and Vinton Cerf (the latter often referred to as the "father of the Internet"):

"I am taking the liberty of sending to you both a brief summary of Al
Gore's Internet involvement, prepared by Bob Kahn and me. As you know,
there have been a seemingly unending series of jokes chiding the vice
president for his assertion that he "took the initiative in creating the
Internet."

Bob and I believe that the vice president deserves significant credit for
his early recognition of the importance of what has become the Internet.

I thought you might find this short summary of sufficient interest to
share it with Politech and the IP lists, respectively.

==============================================================

Al Gore and the Internet

By Robert Kahn and Vinton Cerf

Al Gore was the first political leader to recognize the importance of the
Internet and to promote and support its development.

No one person or even small group of persons exclusively "invented" the
Internet. It is the result of many years of ongoing collaboration among
people in government and the university community.

But as the two people
who designed the basic architecture and the core protocols that make the
Internet work, we would like to acknowledge VP Gore's contributions as a
Congressman, Senator and as Vice President. No other elected official, to
our knowledge, has made a greater contribution over a longer period of
time.

Last year the Vice President made a straightforward statement on his role.
He said: "During my service in the United States Congress I took the
initiative in creating the Internet." We don't think, as some people have
argued, that Gore intended to claim he "invented" the Internet.

Moreover,
there is no question in our minds that while serving as Senator, Gore's
initiatives had a significant and beneficial effect on the still-evolving
Internet. The fact of the matter is that Gore was talking about and
promoting the Internet long before most people were listening. We feel it
is timely to offer our perspective.

As far back as the 1970s Congressman Gore promoted the idea of high speed
telecommunications as an engine for both economic growth and the
improvement of our educational system.

He was the first elected official
to grasp the potential of computer communications to have a broader impact
than just improving the conduct of science and scholarship. Though easily
forgotten, now, at the time this was an unproven and controversial
concept. Our work on the Internet started in 1973 and was based on even
earlier work that took place in the mid-late 1960s.

But the Internet, as
we know it today, was not deployed until 1983. When the Internet was still
in the early stages of its deployment, Congressman Gore provided
intellectual leadership by helping create the vision of the potential
benefits of high speed computing and communication. As an example, he
sponsored hearings on how advanced technologies might be put to use in
areas like coordinating the response of government agencies to natural
disasters and other crises.

As a Senator in the 1980s Gore urged government agencies to consolidate
what at the time were several dozen different and unconnected networks
into an "Interagency Network." Working in a bi-partisan manner with
officials in Ronald Reagan and George Bush's administrations, Gore secured
the passage of the High Performance Computing and Communications Act in
1991. This "Gore Act" supported the National Research and Education
Network (NREN) initiative that became one of the major vehicles for the
spread of the Internet beyond the field of computer science.

As Vice President Gore promoted building the Internet both up and out, as
well as releasing the Internet from the control of the government agencies
that spawned it.

He served as the major administration proponent for
continued investment in advanced computing and networking and private
sector initiatives such as Net Day. He was and is a strong proponent of
extending access to the network to schools and libraries. Today,
approximately 95% of our nation's schools are on the Internet. Gore
provided much-needed political support for the speedy privatization of the
Internet when the time arrived for it to become a commercially-driven
operation.

There are many factors that have contributed to the Internet's rapid
growth since the later 1980s, not the least of which has been political
support for its privatization and continued support for research in
advanced networking technology.

No one in public life has been more
intellectually engaged in helping to create the climate for a thriving
Internet than the Vice President. Gore has been a clear champion of this
effort, both in the councils of government and with the public at large.

The Vice President deserves credit for his early recognition of the value
of high speed computing and communication and for his long-term and
consistent articulation of the potential value of the Internet to American
citizens and industry and, indeed, to the rest of the world."

<nettime> Al Gore and the Internet

 

[kaz]

Wow, it took Gore that long? Government employees are slow, aren't they? I was a software architect in the late 80s and early 90s where I designed distributed processing applications across the internet. Corporations were extensively using the power of the internet long before Al Gore or the government got involved.

All Al Gore did was get the government to regulate and spend more money expanding bandwidth. To call that "creating the Internet" is ridiculous. And he didn't even use his own money. He just threw other people's money at it. And again, the creator of the internet actually meant he created the web, the internet had been around over 30 years at that point.

Yeah, to claim to have created the internet based on that is retarded and he totally deserves to be mocked for that

Yet in the IT field he is not mocked because his contributions were essential to the internet we have today. The only people who really mock hi contributions are partisans who think insulting the opposition is an acceptable form of debate.

Bull, everyone mocks him for thinking he invented the internet. I've never heard anyone defend that, even liberal IT people. They defend him for other things, but not for inventing the internet, no one in IT thinks he did that.

Did you read my post? I told you I'm an IT guy. In the 80s to mid 90s I was technical, then I was in IT management until I got my MBA, since then I do IT management consulting and own a business. You don't know what you're talking about

Like I said only partisans say Gore claimed have invented the internet just like partisans say Palin claimed she can see Russia from her house. Obviously you've convinced me.

Yes, you've informed me of your tiny world that not democrat = republican. It's all you're capable of conceiving. To criticize Democrats is of course done only for the purpose of helping Republicans. There can be no other reason because there is nothing else.

As for Gore, it was a butt stupid comment and he deserves every bit of abuse he gets for saying it. I don't know what he meant, but he said he created it, he didn't say he helped it or advanced it, he said he created it. The guy is an idiot of a speaker like Quayle and Biden.

As for seeing Russia from her porch, Palin didn't say that, Tina Fey did. You learned one useful thing today, mission accomplished!

Yes, and thank you once again for proving your partisanship.

A perk of being a Democrat is you never have to stop being an eight year old

 

[bripat9643]

Slavery didn't end until after Lincolns' death. Southern Conservatives formed the KKK to roll back the policies of the reconstruction period.

Lying again, huh?

You sure are a scumbag.

democrats formed the KKK, specifically to terrorize Republicans, whom the democrats called "caret baggers."

You know this, but are lying through your fucking teeth.

Because you are a reprehensible scumbag, and a democrat - but I repeat myself...

They were staunch conservative who were protecting the status quo, while the Northern Republicans were uber liberals of the day who wanted change. It's just history. No need to get nasty, ah but it's just what you do.........

Yeah, they wanted "change." They wanted a big government to hand out subsidies to crony capitalists and impose huge tariffs to protect those crony capitalists and to harm consumers, especially in the South.