1st it is 10 years, then 100 years, now it could be imminent....And this is settled science?

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Are you selling your property for a loss because of the ice sheets collapsing?

  1. Yes, i am a liberal and know that the NEWS wouldnt tell me a lie....

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  2. Maybe, i am a moderate and am concerned that i might drown if i stay home.

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  3. No, this is another scam by the left to get stupid people to sellout cheap, so elites can buy cheap.

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    One of the scariest effects of climate change might already be happening — and it'd mean our projections are way off
    Idiots on the left are probably selling their properties down there in Miami at a loss because they don't want to drown, "IF" the glaciers that hold back ice sheets collapse....And you can bet people like Al Jazeera Gore, Warren Buffet and George Soros are there picking up that cheap property for their next million dollar mansions that use up $33,000 of electricity a year...
     
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    I'm going to rent mine out to the Eskimos and their polar bears. Pet deposit required.
     
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    No I'm putting it in a family trust to never be sold...
     
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    OMG....

    MSDNC...

    LEFT WING PROPAGANDA...

    And not based in scientific fact....

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    The article is highly misleading as they left out some critical facts.

    Does anyone notice what is COMPLETELY missing from the article?

    This paragraph is actually big fat lie!

    "The burning of fossil fuels is causing Earth's temperature to creep higher and higher above pre-industrial levels. The higher the temperature gets, the more likely the collapse of ice shelves becomes — as well as the potential pulse that comes with it."
     
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    What "critical facts" were left out?

    What is "COMPLETELY missing" from the article?

    Why do you believe the quoted paragraph is false?
     
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    The hypothesis that the Antarctic ice sheets are thinning and collapsing due to warm water is well supported. Even more well supported is the conclusion that the collapse of those sheets lead to rapid acceleration of the glacial flow into the sea. To wit:

    Modelling West Antarctic ice sheet growth and collapse through the past five million years
    D Pollard, RM DeConto - Nature, 2009 - nature.com
    … A Nature Research Journal … Dividing our interior-melt (M p ) increase of 1.9 m yr -1 by the latter
    sensitivity of 0.4 m yr -1 °C -1 suggests that the WAIS will begin to collapse when nearby ocean
    temperatures warm by roughly 5 °C. Global climate and regional ocean … Article. 3 …
    Cited by 688 Related articles All 25 versions
    [PDF] researchgate.net
    Extensive dynamic thinning on the margins of the Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets
    HD Pritchard, RJ Arthern, DG Vaughan, LA Edwards - Nature, 2009 - nature.com
    … A Nature Research Journal … Scambos, TA, Bohlander, JA, Shuman, CA & Skvarca, P. Glacier
    acceleration and thinning after ice shelf collapse in the Larsen B embayment, Antarctica . Geophys.
    Res. Lett … Cryosphere 2, 205–218 (2008). Article. 7. Scott, JBT et al …
    Cited by 746 Related articles All 30 versions [PDF] indiaenvironmentportal.org.in
    Antarctic ice-sheet loss driven by basal melting of ice shelves
    HD Pritchard, SRM Ligtenberg, HA Fricker… - Nature, 2012 - nature.com
    … A Nature Research Journal … Geophys. Res. Lett. 32, (2005). 5. Rott, H., Rack, W.,
    Skvarca, P. & de Angelis, H. Northern Larsen Ice Shelf, Antarctica: further retreat
    after collapse . Ann. Glaciol. 34, 277–282 (2002). Article. 6 …
    Cited by 629 Related articles All 26 versions
    [PDF] escholarship.org
    Climate and atmospheric history of the past 420,000 years from the Vostok ice core, Antarctica
    JR Petit, J Jouzel, D Raynaud, NI Barkov, JM Barnola… - Nature, 1999 - nature.com
    … A Nature Research JournalArticle … In general, climate cycles are more uniform at Vostok than
    in deep-sea core records 1 . The climate record makes it unlikely that the West Antarctic ice sheet
    collapsed
    during the past 420 kyr (or at least shows a marked insensitivity of the …
    Cited by 6091 Related articles All 52 versions [PDF] escholarship.org
    Recent Antarctic ice mass loss from radar interferometry and regional climate modelling
    E Rignot, JL Bamber, MR Van Den Broeke, C Davis… - Nature …, 2008 - nature.com
    … A Nature Research Journal … De Angelis, H. & Skvarca, P. Glacier surge after ice shelf collapse .
    Science 299, 1560–1562 (2003) … Lett. 32, L07502 (2005). Article. 9. Pritchard, H. & Vaughan,
    D. Widespread acceleration of tidewater glaciers on the Antarctic Peninsula . J. Geophys …
    Cited by 803 Related articles All 22 versions
    [PDF] academia.edu
    Ice-sheet collapse and sea-level rise at the Bølling warming 14,600 years ago
    P Deschamps, N Durand, E Bard, B Hamelin… - Nature, 2012 - nature.com
    … A Nature Research JournalArticle … But understanding these episodes is of the utmost
    importance when considering current uncertainty surrounding potential collapse
    of large ice sheets in response to recent climate change 13 …
    Cited by 300 Related articles All 27 versions
    [PDF] researchgate.net
    Collapse of polar ice sheets during the stage 11 interglacial
    ME Raymo, JX Mitrovica - Nature, 2012 - nature.com
    … A Nature Research Journal … References. 1. Hearty, PJ, Kindler, P., Cheng, H. & Edwards, RL A
    +20 m middle Pleistocene sea level highstand (Bermuda and the Bahamas) due to partial collapse
    of Antarctic ice . Geology 27, 375–378 (1999) … Clim. Past 6, 19–29 (2010). Article. 6 …
    Cited by 136 Related articles All 20 versions
    [PDF] unl.edu
    Obliquity-paced Pliocene West Antarctic ice sheet oscillations
    T Naish, R Powell, R Levy, G Wilson, R Scherer… - Nature, 2009 - nature.com
    … A Nature Research Journal … Our data provide direct evidence for orbitally induced oscillations
    in the WAIS, which periodically collapsed, resulting in a switch from … AND-1B core, the model shows
    not only deglaciation in the western Ross embayment, but also the collapse of the …
    Cited by 436 Related articles All 18 versions [PDF] researchgate.net
    Stability of the Larsen B ice shelf on the Antarctic Peninsula during the Holocene epoch
    E Domack, D Duran, A Leventer, S Ishman, S Doane… - Nature, 2005 - nature.com
    … A Nature Research Journal … Mercer, JH West Antarctic ice sheet and CO 2 greenhouse effect:
    a threat of disaster . Nature 271, 321–325 (1978). Article. 2 … Rignot, E. et al. Accelerated ice
    discharge from the Antarctic Peninsula following the collapse of Larsen B ice shelf . Geophys …
    Cited by 307 Related articles All 16 versions
    [PDF] escholarship.org
    Ice flow of the Antarctic ice sheet
    E Rignot, J Mouginot, B Scheuchl - Science, 2011 - science.sciencemag.org
    … the Larsen B glaciers in the peninsula, which accelerated in response to ice shelf collapse (9);
    the … It is likely that this patterned enhanced flow is not unique to Antarctica but is a … The mapping
    of Antarctic ice motion therefore redefines our view of ice sheet flow dynamics and the …
    Cited by 590 Related articles All 23 versions
    Submarine glacial landforms and rates of ice-stream collapse
    JA Dowdeswell, D Ottesen, J Evans… - …, 2008 - pubs.geoscienceworld.org
    … GSW. Google Scholar. Geology (2008) 36 (10): 819-822 … Close. Standard View; Views Icon Views.
    Article contents; Figures & tables; Video; Audio; Supplementary Data. PDF LinkPDF; Cite Citation …
    Journal search input Search. Advanced Search. © 2008 Geological Society of America …
    Cited by 184 Related articles All 6 versions
    [PDF] blight.com
    Global warming and the stability of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet
    M Oppenheimer - Nature, 1998 - nature.com
    … A Nature Research Journal … It has been argued that these obstructions, by pinning the ice shelf,
    exert backpressure or buttressing which prevents collapse of a … Two ice shelves fringing the
    Antarctic Peninsula to the north of WAIS, the Wordie Ice Shelf and the northern portion of …
    Cited by 390 Related articles All 16 versions
    Submarine glacial landforms and rates of ice-stream collapse
    JA Dowdeswell, D Ottesen, J Evans… - …, 2008 - pubs.geoscienceworld.org
    … GSW. Google Scholar. Geology (2008) 36 (10): 819-822 … Close. Standard View; Views Icon Views.
    Article contents; Figures & tables; Video; Audio; Supplementary Data. PDF LinkPDF; Cite Citation …
    Journal search input Search. Advanced Search. © 2008 Geological Society of America …
    Cited by 184 Related articles All 6 versions
    [PDF] blight.com
    Global warming and the stability of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet
    M Oppenheimer - Nature, 1998 - nature.com
    … A Nature Research Journal … It has been argued that these obstructions, by pinning the ice shelf,
    exert backpressure or buttressing which prevents collapse of a … Two ice shelves fringing the
    Antarctic Peninsula to the north of WAIS, the Wordie Ice Shelf and the northern portion of …
    Cited by 390 Related articles All 16 versions
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    Ice-shelf collapse from subsurface warming as a trigger for Heinrich events
    SA Marcott, PU Clark, L Padman… - Proceedings of the …, 2011 - National Acad Sciences
    … more rapid grounding line thinning would accelerate the HSIS outflow prior to ice-shelf collapse
    support simplified climate modeling results, suggesting that a weakened or collapsed ice-shelf
    would trigger an … event (5, 6), analogous to the recent response of Antarctic glaciers to …

    Cited by 155 Related articles All 18 versions
    [PDF] awi.de
    Twenty-first-century warming of a large Antarctic ice-shelf cavity by a redirected coastal current
    HH Hellmer, F Kauker, R Timmermann, J Determann… - Nature, 2012 - nature.com
    … A Nature Research Journal … Bamber, JL, Riva, REM, Vermeersen, BLA & LeBrocq, A.
    Reassessment of the potential sea-level rise from a collapse of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet .
    Science 324, 901–903 (2009) … Article. Download references. Acknowledgements …

    Cited by 221 Related articles All 28 versions
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    Ice sheet collapse following a prolonged period of stable sea level during the last interglacial
    MJ O'Leary, PJ Hearty, WG Thompson, ME Raymo… - Nature …, 2013 - nature.com
    … A Nature Research JournalArticle … modelling, we separate time-varying differences in ice volumes,
    relative to the present day, from syn- and post-depositional effects associated with tectonism
    and GIA, to robustly constrain the timing of ice sheet collapse during marine isotope …

    Cited by 104 Related articles All 14 versions
    [PDF] semanticscholar.org
    Collapse and rapid resumption of Atlantic meridional circulation linked to deglacial climate changes
    JF McManus, R Francois, JM Gherardi, LD Keigwin… - Nature, 2004 - nature.com
    … A Nature Research Journal … 18 . Our results indicate that the effect was dramatic,
    resulting in a near-total collapse of the Atlantic MOC and substantial regional cooling.
    The … model . J. Clim. 1, 841–866 (1988). Article. 17. Severinghaus …

    Cited by 1345 Related articles All 24 versions
    Breakup and conditions for stability of the northern Larsen Ice Shelf, Antarctica
    CSM Doake, HFJ Corr, H Rott, P Skvarca, NW Young - Nature, 1998 - nature.com
    … A Nature Research Journal … Rott, H., Rack, W., Nagler, T. & Skvarca, P. Climatically
    induced retreat and collapse of Northern Larsen Ice Shelf, Antarctic Peninsula. Ann.
    Glaciol. 27 (in the press). 8 … Nature 350, 328–330 (1991). Article. 9 …

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    Stability of the West Antarctic ice sheet in a warming world
    I Joughin, RB Alley - Nature Geoscience, 2011 - nature.com
    … A Nature Research Journal … A further argument by Mercer for a past WAIS collapse was that it
    would have raised sea level by an amount … Although this analysis cannot distinguish between
    East and West Antarctic sources, deglaciation of the marine portions of the WAIS could …

    Cited by 222 Related articles All 6 versions
     
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    Nobody is worrying about the 3mm
     
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    You really don't know what they completely left out of the article? It is OBVIOUS!

    Hint: It releases a LOT of thermal energy

    Read this again, Crick. THINK of the location for this claim, think about the listed science paper they used for the Media's lying claims.

    "The burning of fossil fuels is causing Earth's temperature to creep higher and higher above pre-industrial levels. The higher the temperature gets, the more likely the collapse of ice shelves becomes — as well as the potential pulse that comes with it."

    Now here is the listed science paper to support the Media's highly misleading claim:

    Freshening by glacial meltwater enhances melting of ice shelves and reduces formation of Antarctic Bottom Water

    "Abstract
    Strong heat loss and brine release during sea ice formation in coastal polynyas act to cool and salinify waters on the Antarctic continental shelf. Polynya activity thus both limits the ocean heat flux to the Antarctic Ice Sheet and promotes formation of Dense Shelf Water (DSW), the precursor to Antarctic Bottom Water. However, despite the presence of strong polynyas, DSW is not formed on the Sabrina Coast in East Antarctica and in the Amundsen Sea in West Antarctica. Using a simple ocean model driven by observed forcing, we show that freshwater input from basal melt of ice shelves partially offsets the salt flux by sea ice formation in polynyas found in both regions, preventing full-depth convection and formation of DSW. In the absence of deep convection, warm water that reaches the continental shelf in the bottom layer does not lose much heat to the atmosphere and is thus available to drive the rapid basal melt observed at the Totten Ice Shelf on the Sabrina Coast and at the Dotson and Getz ice shelves in the Amundsen Sea. Our results suggest that increased glacial meltwater input in a warming climate will both reduce Antarctic Bottom Water formation and trigger increased mass loss from the Antarctic Ice Sheet, with consequences for the global overturning circulation and sea level rise."

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    Not a dam thing about air temperature!

    The Media LIED to you, Crick!
     
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