1979 Anyone ???

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    I have made no secret of the fact I am epically underwhelmed by what the current Occupant in Chief calls "leadership" and what his ignorant buffoons running Foggy Bottom and the Puzzle Palace call "diplomacy."

    So, after having scanned the news for information this morning and seeing how things are developing in Egypt, Syria, Tunisia, Libya and across the disputed lands of the Middle East, we are now falling faster and faster down the wormhole to 1979, but worse.

    Some of us are old enough to remember that in 1979, when there was a weak willed apex pussy in the White House, along with an enabler Secretary of State that threw a staunch (although not perfect) ally in Iran to the wolves and then allowed a band of heathen two-bit revolutionaries to hold Americans hostage for 444 days; all while looking for the place where he left his non-existent spine and his morals while dealing with something Cronkite now called the "Misery Index." And then, after much hand wringing and teeth gnashing about how our enemy might feel if we kicked their ass, he finally decided to have Charlie Beckwith and the boys from the new SOF-D get down to the business of introducing these two-bit revolutionaries to a controlled pair to the vital t-zone during a sniper initiated dynamic entry, but first, Charlie had to endure yet another briefing in order to continue to listen to chapter and verse the exact levels of micromanagement and hand wringing necessary to keep the faint little hearts of those in the Puzzle Palace from giving out...

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    I remember the Carter Presidency all too well. We're seeing it all over again. Good intentions isn't leadership. More so when the good intentions are dubious.
     
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    This act, both in Libya and Egypt, as Grim has said, needs to be answered, and it needs to be done in spectacular fashion. I am a realist and I understand that any President who would rather send out Twitter apologies to savages that spend every waking moment standing by to be offended (and then retracting the apologies) is not the kind of leader that would be using all of our resources toward getting these same two-bit faux revolutionaries to assume room temperature for invading American territory and burning down our flag and killing our ambassador.

    This is now reason 327,893 why this miserable excuse for a President, all of his ass-hat, know nothing, no life experience in the real world cronies and advisors need to be sent packing in stellar fashion. This administration's experience is a constant amateur hour that is combined with what seems to be a slow, simmering hatred of American values and the constant apologizing for the fact that America doesn't suck and are the best nation on Earth has reached it zenith.

    This is what happens when you put thinkers, and not "do"-ers in charge of running the show.

    For the love of all that is holy, if we are going to be a Superpower, then we need to be one. Please Candidate Romney; if you need someone to work somewhere at a high level in your State Department to help turn this way of thinking around; I am free to help out on this front. I swear, with Ambassador Bolton and I together, we can turn American Diplomacy into verb, and not a noun.


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    I remember 1979 very well, and how a treasonous candidate undercut the President of the United States and made a backroom deal with terrorists.

    The same candidate became the worse president in American history.

    Yea, old Jimmy should have stood up to terrorists, like Ronbo Reagan!!!

    1983 Beirut barracks bombing (October 23, 1983 in Beirut, Lebanon)

    Suicide bombers detonated each of the truck bombs. In the attack on the American Marines barracks, the death toll was 241 American servicemen: 220 Marines, 18 Navy personnel and three Army soldiers, along with sixty Americans injured, representing the deadliest single-day death toll for the United States Marine Corps since the Battle of Iwo Jima of World War II, the deadliest single-day death toll for the United States military since the first day of the Tet Offensive during the Vietnam War, and the deadliest single attack on Americans overseas since World War II.

    Response

    U.S. President Ronald Reagan called the attack a "despicable act" and pledged to keep a military force in Lebanon.

    There was no serious retaliation for the Beirut bombing from the Americans, besides a few shellings. In December 1983, U.S. aircraft from the USS John F. Kennedy and USS Independence battle groups attacked Syrian targets in Lebanon, but this was ostensibly in response to Syrian missile attacks on American warplanes.

    Multi-service ground-support units were withdrawn from Beirut after the attack on the Marine barracks due to retaliatory threats.

    In the meantime, the attack boosted the prestige and growth of the Shi'ite organization Hezbollah.

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    Maybe you would like to tell us about the letter that Obama sent to Iran trying to reason with them. They laughed at him.
     
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    The president didn't apologize to the killers. Quit being an asshole. For god's sake show some dignity.
     
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    Details of Obama?s letter to Iran released - Tehran Times

    Details of Obama’s letter to Iran released Political Desk

    On Line: 18 January 2012 18:27
    In Print: Thursday 19 January 2012



    TEHRAN - A number of Iranian officials have released the details of the letter that U.S. President Barack Obama recently sent to Tehran.


    The New York Times, citing U.S. government officials, wrote on January 12 that the Obama administration had sent a message to Supreme Leader of the Islamic Revolution Ayatollah Seyyed Ali Khamenei warning that closing the Strait of Hormuz is a “red line” that would provoke a response by the United States.


    Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesperson Ramin Mehmanparast said on January 15 that U.S. officials had sent a message on the Strait of Hormuz to the Islamic Republic through three officials, noting, “Susan Rice, the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, delivered a letter to Mohammad Khazaii, the Islamic Republic of Iran’s ambassador (to the UN). The Swiss ambassador to Tehran (Livia Leu Agosti) also conveyed the message, and Jalal Talabani, the Iraqi president, conveyed the message to officials of the Islamic Republic of Iran as well.”


    Obama has called for negotiations


    MP Ali Motahhari said on Wednesday, “In the letter, it has been stated that ‘closing the Strait of Hormuz is our red line’ and they have requested direct negotiations.”


    “In the letter, Obama has announced readiness for negotiation and the resolution of mutual disagreements,” he added.


    He went on to say that Obama uttered threats in the first part of the letter and talked about friendship and negotiation in the second part.


    Obama says U.S. will not take hostile action against Iran


    MP Hojjatoleslam Hossein Ebrahimi said on Wednesday, “Obama’s letter has several parts. Part of it is about this, (namely) that using international waterways is the right of all countries and all should benefit from them. And in this letter, he has described it as the United States’ red line.”


    “In the letter, Obama has mentioned cooperation and negotiation based on the interests of the two countries,” Ebrahimi, who is the deputy chairman of the Majlis National Security and Foreign Policy Committee, told the Nasimonline news website.


    “He has stated in the letter that they will not take any hostile action against the Islamic Republic of Iran,” he added.


    Ebrahimi also said, “This is not the first time that Obama has sent a message and letter to the Islamic Republic of Iran. He has repeatedly spoken in a soft tone about the Islamic Republic of Iran, but, in practice, he has not acted accordingly.”


    “Obama’s letter indicates that the United States has become afraid of the Islamic Republic of Iran’s might and has realized the point that an arrogant spirit is of no use, and therefore, he has softened his tone when speaking about the Islamic Republic of Iran,” he stated.


    He added, “The important issue is that without the Islamic Republic of Iran’s permission, no country can benefit from the Persian Gulf.”


    Iran responsible for maintaining security of Persian Gulf


    Expediency Council Secretary Mohsen Rezaii also commented on the letter on Wednesday, saying, “Mr. Obama has written a cunning letter and intended to claim that the U.S. is responsible for maintaining the security of the Persian Gulf and the Strait of Hormuz, while Iran itself is responsible for maintaining the security of this region.”


    “We maintain the security of the region with the help of regional countries,” he said, adding, “There is no need for the presence of extra-regional forces to maintain the security of this region, and we believe that the presence of the United States and Britain mostly creates insecurity.”


    If they “feel compassion” for regional countries and want to help them enhance security in the region, “I advise them to leave the region,” Rezaii stated.
     
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    Priceless coming from you of all people. :lol:
     
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    Maybe you should educate yourself before you open your pie hole. We tried the childish, bellicose school yard bully approach to foreign affairs. It didn't work. There are adults in both countries who seek a better way. CLEARLY, Mitten is of the childish, bellicose school yard bully approach to foreign affairs. The bomb, bomb, bomb Iran MORONS.

    "Few countries were as helpful to the United States in its early involvement in Afghanistan as Iran. Yet after the fall of the Taliban, the US failed to capitalize on the possibilities of that strategic relationship. Now coalition and Afghan troops are losing ground against the same insurgents they confronted in 2001, in a war that the United States is unlikely to win unless it rethinks its relationship with Iran."

    Lawrence J. Korb, Former assistant secretary of defense in the Reagan administration

    US undermined Iran after they helped us in Afghanistan ... successful, only to be branded part of the "Axis of Evil" by the Bush administration.

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e91vP4pay7k]US undermined Iran after they helped us in Afghanistan - YouTube[/ame]


    Tuesday 31 March 2009
    Iran offers to help US rebuild Afghanistan

    Iranian delegate at Hague conference in major conciliatory move towards Obama administration

    Iran made a significant conciliatory gesture towards the Obama administration today, offering to help US-led efforts to stabilise and rebuild Afghanistan.

    At an international conference on Afghanistan at The Hague, in the Netherlands, the Iranian delegate, Mohammad Mehdi Akhundzadeh, responded positively to Barack Obama's new strategy for winning the war against the Taliban.

    "Welcoming the proposals for joint cooperation offered by the countries contributing to Afghanistan, the Islamic Republic of Iran is fully prepared to participate in the projects aimed at combating drug trafficking and plans in line with developing and reconstructing Afghanistan," Akhundzadeh, one of Iran's deputy foreign ministers, said, according to an early text of his remarks provided by Iranian officials.

    Iran offers to help US rebuild Afghanistan | World news | guardian.co.uk
     

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