19 year old shot while sitting in a car.....in Britain...where they banned and confiscated guns....

2aguy

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Yep...when you take guns away from law abiding citizens...it doesn't change your crime rate...since the law abiding citizens aren't shooting people...

Man, 19, found dead in Mercedes after shooting in east London

A 19-year-old was found dead in a car after being shot in east London, it has emerged.

The victim was shot as he sat in a Mercedes, before being found by shocked passers-by after a “commotion” in a busy road in Ilford last night.

Paramedics found the man unconscious with a gunshot wound and battled to save him but he died at the scene.

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A shop worker said: “There was some sort of a gang fight, probably over drugs, and then a stabbing and two gun shots and then the shooters drove off.

“Armed police come down and blocked off the road.”
 
Yep...when you take guns away from law abiding citizens...it doesn't change your crime rate...since the law abiding citizens aren't shooting people...

Man, 19, found dead in Mercedes after shooting in east London

A 19-year-old was found dead in a car after being shot in east London, it has emerged.

The victim was shot as he sat in a Mercedes, before being found by shocked passers-by after a “commotion” in a busy road in Ilford last night.

Paramedics found the man unconscious with a gunshot wound and battled to save him but he died at the scene.

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A shop worker said: “There was some sort of a gang fight, probably over drugs, and then a stabbing and two gun shots and then the shooters drove off.

“Armed police come down and blocked off the road.”

Has anybody blamed Bush yet??
 
2aguy's exception proves the rule that UK's gun laws greatly reduces gun killings. How about that?
 
2aguy's exception proves the rule that UK's gun laws greatly reduces gun killings. How about that?


And of course, since I proved you wrong in another thread, you pretend that other thread did not happen.

Again....in order for your post to be accurate, the gun crime rate in Britain would have to have dropped after they enacted their gun ban and confiscation...this did not happen...so you are wrong...completely wrong. Their gun crime rate was low before the ban...they banned guns...their gun crime rate sky rocketed for about a decade after the ban...then returned to the same level it was at before the ban...showing that taking guns away from normal, law abiding British citizens who did not use guns for murder or other crimes did not lower the gun crime or murder rate...showing that your post was wrong.

Now...with the influx of immigrants from 3rd world countries...the gun crime rate in Britain is going up...add to that the end result of single teenage mothers in Britain raising male children without fathers...and you have another reason gun crime is going up in Britain.....

Here you have one story that shows you are wrong....

Homicides in England and Wales up 14%

The police-recorded crime figures include a 9% rise in knife crime and a 4% rise in gun crime, which are thought to reflect a rise in gang violence largely in London and Manchester.

The rise in gun crime is the first recorded for eight years and includes a 10% rise in London.

The official statisticians say that a 36% rise in sexual offences, including the highest number of rapes since 2003 – at 33,341 – reflect a greater willingness of victims to come forward to report such crimes rather than a real surge in attacks.


And another story....

rom 2008

Firearms: cheap, easy to get and on a street near you

Most buyers are involved with drug dealing, the source said. Some are used to rob other dealers in crimes that go unreported, others are used as protection while a deal is under way. "Someone will have a tool and there is always one guy in a posse willing to use it. They will have one guy who doesn't give a fuck.

"Everyone wants to be a gangster now, mainly the kids. You have five or six in a little crew and one of them will be carrying. They want handguns - shotguns are too big and bulky. The sawn-off doesn't look so good but use a machine gun and you get known as a heavy guy. They have them just to be a chap on the street, to pose. Some of them walk around all day with a .38. It's 16-year-olds at it and it's getting like America, silly as it sounds."

In terms of nationalities, the influx of eastern European criminals has changed the balance of power. "Who's using the guns? The [Jamaican] Yardies' value for life was so minimal that they thought nothing of killing people," said the source. "We don't like them, they have no moral code. But it's the Russians and the Polish and Albanians around now. They are bullies. They want to take over the flesh business. The Russians are cold-hearted fuckers. What they have been doing is following the card boys [who put cards advertising prostitutes in phone booths in central London] and then taking the girls hostage, armed if need be."

And here you have kids and guns in Britain....

Hundreds of youngsters arrested for suspected gun crimes in last three years

CHILDREN as young as 10 were among hundreds of youngsters arrested for suspected gun crimes in the last three years, new figures have revealed.

More than 1,500 child arrests for alleged firearm offences were carried out by police between 2013 and January 2016, with the number soaring by 20 percent last year.

Figures released by forces under the Freedom of Information Act showed there were 1,549 arrests of children for suspected crimes involving firearms, air weapons or imitation guns, including 506 charges brought by police.




 
2aguy writes a lengthy denial that in fact proves I am right.

His exception proves the rules that gun bans decrease gun deaths.

The numbers per capita prove it.

Trot along, 2 aguy.
 
2aguy writes a lengthy denial that in fact proves I am right.

His exception proves the rules that gun bans decrease gun deaths.

The numbers per capita prove it.

Trot along, 2 aguy.


Moron....I just showed you how you are wrong......the gun ban didn't change anything...in fact, the gun crime numbers are going up...and they now involve younger children.....you really are a moron....
 
You showed us, 2aguy, that you have one example, a fallacy of hasty genrealization, that without further information demonstrates you cannot logically make your conclusion that the laws are worthless. In fact, per capita comparison, factoring population, a Brit is far less likely to be a gun shot victim than an American.
 
The break down of the family and importing the Third World are the problems. We know that.

Gun control is just a way for the Political Class to buy time while their idiotic policies continue to remake society to be more like the Third World, where the leaders are not accountable.
 
You showed us, 2aguy, that you have one example, a fallacy of hasty genrealization, that without further information demonstrates you cannot logically make your conclusion that the laws are worthless. In fact, per capita comparison, factoring population, a Brit is far less likely to be a gun shot victim than an American.


And you lie. It isn't one example it is a 4% increase over all in Britain with a 10% increase in London.....and story after story from British news sources showing guns are starting to flood into Britain...moron.....

Criminals will get guns...they drive the gun crime rate, not law abiding gun owners...you have been show the evidence, it shows you are wrong....so you deny it....


Homicides in England and Wales up 14%

The police-recorded crime figures include a 9% rise in knife crime and a 4% rise in gun crime, which are thought to reflect a rise in gang violence largely in London and Manchester.

The rise in gun crime is the first recorded for eight years and includes a 10% rise in London.

Manchester is another place where gun crime is increasing...

Gun crime on the rise? Our timeline shows 30 shootings in Greater Manchester in the last 14 months
 
Your lies are noted, 2aguy.

Answer this: what are the comparative probabilities of dying by firearms in the US to the UK.

Yeah, you lose again.
 
Your lies are noted, 2aguy.

Answer this: what are the comparative probabilities of dying by firearms in the US to the UK.

Yeah, you lose again.


Wow..you are stupid....the odds of dying by firearm in the U.K. versus the U.S. were low before they banned and confiscated their guns...their criminal culture did not commit murder as easily as our criminals do, moron....our non gun murder rate is higher than their murder rate....

Now, they have banned and confiscated guns...and their gun crime rate is going up. Why? Because the new criminal gangs, immigrants from 3rd world countries...are using guns....and generations of single teenage mothers raising young males without fathers is creating killers...just like over here....

The stories show that their gun crime is increasing...that guns are flooding their streets.....you are wrong....

While their gun crime is now increasing...our gun crime went down.......

We had 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s....and 4.7 million people actually carrying guns for self defense in 1997....in 2016 we had 357-400 million guns in private hands and well over 15 million people carrying guns for self defense....

And our gun murder rate went down 49%...... our violent crime rate went down 75%.....our gun accident death rate went down as well...

You are wrong......banning law abiding people from owning and carrying guns does not lower the gun murder rate....the culture of the criminal class decides what the murder rate will be.
 
Your lies are noted, 2aguy.

Answer this: what are the comparative probabilities of dying by firearms in the US to the UK.

Yeah, you lose again.


Moron....

Rising number of guns being smuggled into UK, Metropolitan police say

More guns are being seized in cities across Britain as the number of firearms being smuggled into the country increases, Britain’s most senior police officer has said.

Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe, the Metropolitan police commissioner, told a hearing at London’s City Hall that a rise in gun crime in the capital was being put down to an increase in the number of weapons coming into the country.

The Met seized a “worrying” record number of weapons in 2015, including semiautomatic guns, Hogan-Howe said.

“We’ve seized more firearms than ever before,” he said. “In the previous year [2015] we’ve seized 714 guns – that’s around two per day. In a city this size, that’s a worrying number. This is an increase on previous years. Some of them are semiautomatic weapons, too.

“If you look around the big cities of the country, they are seeing a similar profile. Manchester, Birmingham, Leeds, Liverpool – they are seeing big rises as well.”

The criminals are now fighing harder over drug turf....so they need guns....law abiding people are not the ones doing the shooting, moron...criminals are...and they are getting the guns they want and need....

Gun crime capital of the UK has been revealed - is your area on the list?



The West Midlands is STILL the nation's gun crime capital - and it's getting worse.

The region has the unwanted crown of the worst gun crime rate in England and Wales for the second year running.

There were 562 crimes where guns were used in the wider Birmingham area in 2014/15, new figures from the Office for National Statistics show.

These were all cases where firearms were actually used rather than just possessed, including firing them, threatening others with them or using them as a club-like weapon.
 
Why would lovable Liverpool, England...now be nicknamed...Triggerpool?

TRIGGERPOOL: Liverpool gets killer nickname after recent surge in gun deaths

There were 36 attacks in the first five months of this year as rivalries spilled over in Speke, Aigburth, Garston, Vauxhall, Kirkdale, Walton, Everton, Bootle and Croxteth.

Mark Hillman was shot dead in April as he walked down a cul-de-sac in Everton. He had earlier been slashed across the face.

In an unconnected attack, a man from Speke was shot in the face, suffering horrific eye injuries.

And like Chicago...gangs that have been broken up....and fighting for turf....

Gun crime in Liverpool: Why? What? Where? - CCTV.co.uk


Gang warfare on Liverpool’s streets

A major factor in recent gun crime in Liverpool is that some of the city’s most substantial criminal fraternities have been eradicated, leading to smaller gangs battling in fragmented “turf wars” and tit-for-tat crime sprees.


And for a country that banned guns...the criminals keep getting more and more of them...law abiding Brits don't have guns.....

Gun smuggling also a factor

Clearly the ebb and flow of Liverpool’s gangs is a central theme.

Another key factor in the upturn in Liverpool’s gun crime is that guns are now more readily available than ever before.

The main smuggling route is from eastern European countries such as Albania and Lithuania. Police forces throughout the UK report that they have made significant seizures recently of guns coming in from France.
 
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