1864 book about climate change and environmental destruction

[Sunsettommy]

Socrates and Plato wrote about the erosion of land in Greece.

and.....?

Most of the country is NOT suitable for farming, therefore little of it are being damaged today.

 

[Crick]

Do you always have a hard time admitting your mistakes?

 

[Sunsettommy]

You have avoided post 20 and now into the land of the patented warmist deflection with post 22.

You were asked a question in post 21......., still wait for an answer.... waiting, waiting.

You apparently have nothing of substance to say.........

 

[Crick]

My comment, quite obviously, was aimed putting the lie (or the ignorance) to your post #15 claim that little research was going on into agricultural issues in 1864.

 

[Old Rocks]

1864 and he noticed it in his lifetime??!!!!???
no he didn't

Yes he did. NYC and Chicago needed a lot of empty lots for manure and dead horses long before the civil war. London had numerous cholera and other water borne rpidemics due to the factory system causing overcrowding, the lack of low cost potable water and poor sewerage treatment.

what does this have to do with the environment changing??!!

You mean that if you run all that manure runoff into fresh water streams it has no affect on the fish? On the purity of the water? Do you have a single digit IQ?

 

[Old Rocks]

he could not have known anything about climate change in 1864

When you deforest the land, you will change the climate in that land. So your statement is false.

 

[Old Rocks]

it would be like man trying to comprehend the beginning of the universe--he had no idea of man's ability
..even so, man is not changing the earth--the earth is too big

Damn, you are really intent on proving just how truly stupid you are. At the depths of the ice age, CO2 is at 180 ppm. And the height of the interglacials, it is at 280 ppm. Today, CO2 is at 400+ ppm. That is a major change in the composition of the atmosphere, and is being reflected in the rapid rise in temperatures.

 

[harmonica]

it would be like man trying to comprehend the beginning of the universe--he had no idea of man's ability
..even so, man is not changing the earth--the earth is too big

Damn, you are really intent on proving just how truly stupid you are. At the depths of the ice age, CO2 is at 180 ppm. And the height of the interglacials, it is at 280 ppm. Today, CO2 is at 400+ ppm. That is a major change in the composition of the atmosphere, and is being reflected in the rapid rise in temperatures.

so?? you are so smart

 

[harmonica]

he could not have known anything about climate change in 1864

When you deforest the land, you will change the climate in that land. So your statement is false.

he didn't know crap about climate change
1864!!! wtf is your problem?
cli·mate change
noun

1. a change in global or regional climate patterns, in particular a change apparent from the mid to late 20th century onwards and attributed largely to the increased levels of atmospheric carbon dioxide produced by the use of fossil fuels.

mid to late 20th century....???!!!!!!!
1864 is the 19th century .....????!!!!!
who is intent on proving their own stupidity??????!!!!!!

 

[Sunsettommy]

My comment, quite obviously, was aimed putting the lie (or the ignorance) to your post #15 claim that little research was going on into agricultural issues in 1864.

You didn't read post 10 at all, right?

The Author said NOTHING about agriculture practices itself, but how the land is treated, as I stated back in post 10 that his book is about STEWARDSHIP of the environment, how Man needed to back off on the over use of the environment, to avoid depleting it.

From post 10 is this quote,

"The book challenges the myth of the inexhaustibility of the earth and the belief that human impact on the environment is negligible by drawing similarities to the ancient civilization of the Mediterranean.[5] Marsh argued that ancient Mediterranean civilizations collapsed through environmental degradation. Deforestation led to eroded soils that led to decreased soil productivity."

Soil erosion is a symptom of misuse of the land, the hurried change being applied to regions that doesn't allow nature time to maintain what it created.

I studied this in College where people were taking too much from the land in too little time, without consideration of FUTURE use. In my area is a region called "Horse Heavens" because of the tall abundant Bunchgrass growing there in thousands of acres around Badger Mt. to the hilly crest to the south. They let the horse run free in it, ate it all down to nothing in just a few decades Today there is hardly any Bunchgrass left at all, since they grow in a hot low rainfall region, making recovery slow and difficult.

Why don't you stop being so confrontative?

 

[xyz]

Natural processes that affected agriculture had been under study for the prior 5,000 years.

His book doesn't cover climate stuff, that is what the article LYINGLY claimed.

You are unaware of the definition of the word "climate".

 

[Sunsettommy]

Natural processes that affected agriculture had been under study for the prior 5,000 years.

His book doesn't cover climate stuff, that is what the article LYINGLY claimed.

You are unaware of the definition of the word "climate".

You didn't read post 10 either where I dug up the book from the internet.

From Wikipedia,

"Climate is the statistics of weather over long periods of time.[1][2] It is measured by assessing the patterns of variation in temperature, humidity, atmospheric pressure, wind, precipitation, atmospheric particle count and other meteorological variables in a given region over long periods of time. Climate differs from weather, in that weather only describes the short-term conditions of these variables in a given region."

Like I said several times now, his book is about Stewardship of the ............................, from post 10:

"The book challenges the myth of the inexhaustibility of the earth and the belief that human impact on the environment is negligible by drawing similarities to the ancient civilization of the Mediterranean.[5] Marsh argued that ancient Mediterranean civilizations collapsed through environmental degradation. Deforestation led to eroded soils that led to decreased soil productivity. Additionally, the same trends could be found occurring in the United States. The book was one of the most influential books of its time, next to Charles Darwin's On the Origin of Species, inspiring conservation and reform in the USA since it forebode what happened to an ancient civilisation when it depleted and exhausted its natural resources.[6] The book was instrumental in the creation of Adirondack Park in New York and the United States National Forest. Gifford Pinchot, first Chief of the United States Forest Service, called it "epoch making" and Stewart Udall wrote that it was "the beginning of land wisdom in this country."

No mention of Climate....................................

 

[xyz]

Natural processes that affected agriculture had been under study for the prior 5,000 years.

His book doesn't cover climate stuff, that is what the article LYINGLY claimed.

You are unaware of the definition of the word "climate".

You didn't read post 10 either where I dug up the book from the internet.

From Wikipedia,

"Climate is the statistics of weather over long periods of time.[1][2] It is measured by assessing the patterns of variation in temperature, humidity, atmospheric pressure, wind, precipitation, atmospheric particle count and other meteorological variables in a given region over long periods of time. Climate differs from weather, in that weather only describes the short-term conditions of these variables in a given region."

Like I said several times now, his book is about Stewardship of the ............................, from post 10:

"The book challenges the myth of the inexhaustibility of the earth and the belief that human impact on the environment is negligible by drawing similarities to the ancient civilization of the Mediterranean.[5] Marsh argued that ancient Mediterranean civilizations collapsed through environmental degradation. Deforestation led to eroded soils that led to decreased soil productivity. Additionally, the same trends could be found occurring in the United States. The book was one of the most influential books of its time, next to Charles Darwin's On the Origin of Species, inspiring conservation and reform in the USA since it forebode what happened to an ancient civilisation when it depleted and exhausted its natural resources.[6] The book was instrumental in the creation of Adirondack Park in New York and the United States National Forest. Gifford Pinchot, first Chief of the United States Forest Service, called it "epoch making" and Stewart Udall wrote that it was "the beginning of land wisdom in this country."

No mention of Climate....................................

Ever heard of "steppe climate" or "rainforest climate" or "desert climate"? Of course not, because you're a flunkie.

 

[Sunsettommy]

Natural processes that affected agriculture had been under study for the prior 5,000 years.

His book doesn't cover climate stuff, that is what the article LYINGLY claimed.

You are unaware of the definition of the word "climate".

You didn't read post 10 either where I dug up the book from the internet.

From Wikipedia,

"Climate is the statistics of weather over long periods of time.[1][2] It is measured by assessing the patterns of variation in temperature, humidity, atmospheric pressure, wind, precipitation, atmospheric particle count and other meteorological variables in a given region over long periods of time. Climate differs from weather, in that weather only describes the short-term conditions of these variables in a given region."

Like I said several times now, his book is about Stewardship of the ............................, from post 10:

"The book challenges the myth of the inexhaustibility of the earth and the belief that human impact on the environment is negligible by drawing similarities to the ancient civilization of the Mediterranean.[5] Marsh argued that ancient Mediterranean civilizations collapsed through environmental degradation. Deforestation led to eroded soils that led to decreased soil productivity. Additionally, the same trends could be found occurring in the United States. The book was one of the most influential books of its time, next to Charles Darwin's On the Origin of Species, inspiring conservation and reform in the USA since it forebode what happened to an ancient civilisation when it depleted and exhausted its natural resources.[6] The book was instrumental in the creation of Adirondack Park in New York and the United States National Forest. Gifford Pinchot, first Chief of the United States Forest Service, called it "epoch making" and Stewart Udall wrote that it was "the beginning of land wisdom in this country."

No mention of Climate....................................

Ever heard of "steppe climate" or "rainforest climate" or "desert climate"? Of course not, because you're a flunkie.

Hey when will you actually read the review of his book?

You have yet to show that the book covers climate issues. I have posted evidence that he is concerned about environmental degradation. I covered about it in post 30.

The Climate definition make clear that it is not about environmental degradation, but about Meteorology processes.

You have nothing resembling an argument here, why continue your lost boy path?

 

[xyz]

The Climate definition make clear that it is not about environmental degradation, but about Meteorology processes.

And you capitalize like Trump, proving to be an English flunkie as well.

 

[Sunsettommy]

The Climate definition make clear that it is not about environmental degradation, but about Meteorology processes.

And you capitalize like Trump, proving to be an English flunkie as well.

Meanwhile you have a terrible time showing evidence that he wrote about the climate in 1864.

Waiting.... waiting....waiting............................................

 

[xyz]

Waiting.... waiting....waiting............................................

 

[Old Rocks]

You destroy the vegetation in a large area, you change the climate in that area. We saw that in the Mid-East and in southern Europe. He did not need to specify climate as one of the things affected by the actions of man, it is self evident.

 

[skookerasbil]

You destroy the vegetation in a large area, you change the climate in that area. We saw that in the Mid-East and in southern Europe. He did not need to specify climate as one of the things affected by the actions of man, it is self evident.

Climate alarmists are the only people who don't know that vegetation grows back.

 

[Sunsettommy]

Waiting.... waiting....waiting............................................

Now I understand why your name is xyz!