18 Suicides & 52 Rapes a Day in the Military

[eots]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pr582DRIa-o&feature=g-all-u&context=G211f31aFAAAAAAAASAA]18 Suicides & 52 Rapes a Day in the Military - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Quantum Windbag]

If the video is claiming there are 18 suicides a day in the military it is fill of shit. There were 164 suicides in the military in 2011, which comes to approximately 0.4 a day.

 

[Prevail]

The numbers are unfortunately correct, its the subject group that it is incorrect. There are in fact, on average 18 Veterans who commit suicide everyday. This of course includes service members from conflicts besides Iraq and Afghanistan.
I am hoping that you weren't setting out 164 suicides as a trivial number, but were instead pointing out the error of the original post. The fact is though that 164 only covers Active Duty Army suicides. When you factor in the National Guard and Reserve suicides this number jumps to 278 for 2011

There are also the other branches to consider. A quick search turned up a Marine Corp Suicide rate of 33 in 2011.

I'm sure that a little research would reveal the rates for the Navy, Air Force and Coast Guard as well.

When you compare this total to the fact that 367 soldiers were lost to hostile action in Operation Enduring Freedom in 2011, the numbers start do indeed rack up quickly.
The sad reality is that a decade of fighting two conflicts have left many service members in precarious mental and physical health. While this sort of discussion often degenerates into political ballyhooing, the epidemic of Veteran suicide remains, regardless of the cause. This is a grave problem facing this nation, and we have an obligation to provide assistance to those who answer the call to service.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

The numbers are unfortunately correct, its the subject group that it is incorrect. There are in fact, on average 18 Veterans who commit suicide everyday. This of course includes service members from conflicts besides Iraq and Afghanistan.
I am hoping that you weren't setting out 164 suicides as a trivial number, but were instead pointing out the error of the original post. The fact is though that 164 only covers Active Duty Army suicides. When you factor in the National Guard and Reserve suicides this number jumps to 278 for 2011

There are also the other branches to consider. A quick search turned up a Marine Corp Suicide rate of 33 in 2011.

I'm sure that a little research would reveal the rates for the Navy, Air Force and Coast Guard as well.

When you compare this total to the fact that 367 soldiers were lost to hostile action in Operation Enduring Freedom in 2011, the numbers start do indeed rack up quickly.
The sad reality is that a decade of fighting two conflicts have left many service members in precarious mental and physical health. While this sort of discussion often degenerates into political ballyhooing, the epidemic of Veteran suicide remains, regardless of the cause. This is a grave problem facing this nation, and we have an obligation to provide assistance to those who answer the call to service.

Not according to the military.

Army report: Suicide rate sets record; some alcohol abuse up 54 percent - CSMonitor.com

168 is not a trivial number by any means, but I like numbers that are accurate.

 

[Warrior102]

Wow. That's pretty low.
How many in the civilian community?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

The numbers are unfortunately correct, its the subject group that it is incorrect. There are in fact, on average 18 Veterans who commit suicide everyday. This of course includes service members from conflicts besides Iraq and Afghanistan.
I am hoping that you weren't setting out 164 suicides as a trivial number, but were instead pointing out the error of the original post. The fact is though that 164 only covers Active Duty Army suicides. When you factor in the National Guard and Reserve suicides this number jumps to 278 for 2011

There are also the other branches to consider. A quick search turned up a Marine Corp Suicide rate of 33 in 2011.

I'm sure that a little research would reveal the rates for the Navy, Air Force and Coast Guard as well.

When you compare this total to the fact that 367 soldiers were lost to hostile action in Operation Enduring Freedom in 2011, the numbers start do indeed rack up quickly.
The sad reality is that a decade of fighting two conflicts have left many service members in precarious mental and physical health. While this sort of discussion often degenerates into political ballyhooing, the epidemic of Veteran suicide remains, regardless of the cause. This is a grave problem facing this nation, and we have an obligation to provide assistance to those who answer the call to service.

18 a day would be 6570 a year. Not even remotely true.

As for rapes if that number were true that would be 18980 rapes a year, a number I call bullshit on.

 

[California Girl]

The numbers are unfortunately correct, its the subject group that it is incorrect. There are in fact, on average 18 Veterans who commit suicide everyday. This of course includes service members from conflicts besides Iraq and Afghanistan.
I am hoping that you weren't setting out 164 suicides as a trivial number, but were instead pointing out the error of the original post. The fact is though that 164 only covers Active Duty Army suicides. When you factor in the National Guard and Reserve suicides this number jumps to 278 for 2011

There are also the other branches to consider. A quick search turned up a Marine Corp Suicide rate of 33 in 2011.

I'm sure that a little research would reveal the rates for the Navy, Air Force and Coast Guard as well.

When you compare this total to the fact that 367 soldiers were lost to hostile action in Operation Enduring Freedom in 2011, the numbers start do indeed rack up quickly.
The sad reality is that a decade of fighting two conflicts have left many service members in precarious mental and physical health. While this sort of discussion often degenerates into political ballyhooing, the epidemic of Veteran suicide remains, regardless of the cause. This is a grave problem facing this nation, and we have an obligation to provide assistance to those who answer the call to service.

Not according to the military.

Army report: Suicide rate sets record; some alcohol abuse up 54 percent - CSMonitor.com

168 is not a trivial number by any means, but I like numbers that are accurate.

I do too. Accuracy is vital to an informed opinion.

 

[Prevail]

I absolutely agree that correct numbers are crucial to making informed decisions. Unfortunately, my relatively recent entry onto this forum prevents me from posting my sources. This is especially frustrating as I have 3 sources that support the 168 number as Active Duty only. I would submit, that in this particular instance, the Christian Science Monitor erred. As soon as I am able, I will be happy to provide my links.

What I can do is provide this text from the DoD site:

"WASHINGTON, April 23, 2010 – With more than 6,000 veterans committing suicide every year –- and 98 veterans of Iraq and Afghanistan taking their own lives during fiscal 2009 alone -- the Department of Veterans Affairs is redoubling its outreach to veterans and promoting its toll-free suicide-prevention hotline.
National statistics show that veterans constitute about 20 percent of the 30,000 to 32,000 U.S. deaths each year from suicide. Of an average of 18 veterans who commit suicide each day, about five receive care through the VA health-care system. More than 60 percent of those five had diagnosed mental-health conditions."

These figures are accepted among both the DoD and the VA, which I will gladly demonstrate once I have hit my ability to post links. At initial glance, the fact that Veterans make up 20% of the suicide rate might seem trivial, but remember how small of a percentage of Americans make up that Veteran population and it shows to be way out of line.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

I absolutely agree that correct numbers are crucial to making informed decisions. Unfortunately, my relatively recent entry onto this forum prevents me from posting my sources. This is especially frustrating as I have 3 sources that support the 168 number as Active Duty only. I would submit, that in this particular instance, the Christian Science Monitor erred. As soon as I am able, I will be happy to provide my links.

What I can do is provide this text from the DoD site:

"WASHINGTON, April 23, 2010 – With more than 6,000 veterans committing suicide every year –- and 98 veterans of Iraq and Afghanistan taking their own lives during fiscal 2009 alone -- the Department of Veterans Affairs is redoubling its outreach to veterans and promoting its toll-free suicide-prevention hotline.
National statistics show that veterans constitute about 20 percent of the 30,000 to 32,000 U.S. deaths each year from suicide. Of an average of 18 veterans who commit suicide each day, about five receive care through the VA health-care system. More than 60 percent of those five had diagnosed mental-health conditions."

These figures are accepted among both the DoD and the VA, which I will gladly demonstrate once I have hit my ability to post links. At initial glance, the fact that Veterans make up 20% of the suicide rate might seem trivial, but remember how small of a percentage of Americans make up that Veteran population and it shows to be way out of line.

Not a problem, I just wanted to source my number. Not going to defend it just because I posted a link, I am always willing to learn.

 

[Ringel05]

I absolutely agree that correct numbers are crucial to making informed decisions. Unfortunately, my relatively recent entry onto this forum prevents me from posting my sources. This is especially frustrating as I have 3 sources that support the 168 number as Active Duty only. I would submit, that in this particular instance, the Christian Science Monitor erred. As soon as I am able, I will be happy to provide my links.

What I can do is provide this text from the DoD site:

"WASHINGTON, April 23, 2010 – With more than 6,000 veterans committing suicide every year –- and 98 veterans of Iraq and Afghanistan taking their own lives during fiscal 2009 alone -- the Department of Veterans Affairs is redoubling its outreach to veterans and promoting its toll-free suicide-prevention hotline.
National statistics show that veterans constitute about 20 percent of the 30,000 to 32,000 U.S. deaths each year from suicide. Of an average of 18 veterans who commit suicide each day, about five receive care through the VA health-care system. More than 60 percent of those five had diagnosed mental-health conditions."

These figures are accepted among both the DoD and the VA, which I will gladly demonstrate once I have hit my ability to post links. At initial glance, the fact that Veterans make up 20% of the suicide rate might seem trivial, but remember how small of a percentage of Americans make up that Veteran population and it shows to be way out of line.

If one goes by the thread title only, which most would, then the focus would be only on active duty, not vets.
So basically the thread and video title is in error.

 

[High_Gravity]

If this video were true that would mean there were 6,570 suicides in 2011 and 18,980 rapes, its obvious this video is fuckin bullshit.

 

[Big Black Dog]

My crystal ball says "Bull Shit".

 

[Prevail]

If one goes by the thread title only, which most would, then the focus would be only on active duty, not vets.
So basically the thread and video title is in error.

Your absolutely right, which is one of the reasons that I hijacked this thread. I know a lot of people have a hard enough time believing these numbers in the first place, and I didn't want misinformation to further stain them.

This is an issue that needs to be addressed, and the best way to do that is to make sure the average American knows exactly how much of a problem it is.

 

[waltky]

War is hell...

Suicides No. 2 cause of death in military
13 June`12 - The most common way that U.S. servicemembers die outside of combat is by their own hand, according to an analysis released by the Pentagon on Wednesday.

Since 2010, suicide has outpaced traffic accidents, heart disease, cancer, homicide and all other forms of death in the military besides combat, the report says. One in four non-combat deaths last year were servicemembers killing themselves. This year, suicides among troops occur on average once a day, according to Pentagon figures obtained by USA TODAY. The data, first reported by the Associated Press, show that after the end of the Iraq War, suicides may become more common than combat deaths. There were 154 confirmed or suspected suicides this year through June 3, while 127 troops died in the Afghanistan War, Pentagon data show.

Defense Secretary Leon Panetta told Congress on Wednesday that he has directed all four military branches "to immediately look at that situation and determine what's behind it, what's causing it and what can we do to make sure it doesn't happen." On a related issue, Panetta revealed Wednesday that he will have all service branches follow the Army's lead in reviewing mental health cases dating to 2001. The goal is to see whether any current or former servicemember was denied appropriate medical retirement benefits. Last year, 26% of military deaths occurred in combat, 20% by suicide and 17% in traffic accidents. The percentage of suicides is up from 10% in 2005.

All the services except the Navy are seeing increases in suicide among active-duty members this year. All have studied the issue. The Army — which has the highest suicide rate, on par with the civilian rate — is spending about $75 million to understand why it is happening and what to do about it. No one so far has answers, said Army Col. Carl Castro, who leads researchers trying to find effective forms of prevention and treatment. "We were slow to react (at first) because we weren't sure if it was an anomaly or it was a real trend," Castro said. "Then it just takes time to program the money and get the studies up and going."

All the services introduced suicide prevention programs based on promising ideas, Castro said, but none is rooted in scientific research. "Everything we do in suicide prevention, there's no evidence it works," Castro said. Castro said the research efforts, among the first of their kind in the nation on suicide, could begin producing findings in the months ahead. Panetta said suicide is "one of the most complex and urgent problems" he faces. "Commanders cannot tolerate any actions that belittle, haze, humiliate or ostracize any individual, especially those who require or are responsibly seeking professional services," Panetta wrote.

Source

 

[alan1]

waltky,
for some reason your link is not displayed as a link.

Source]Suicides No. 2 cause of death in military
Hopefully that works

 

[waltky]

Alan...

... thanks fer bringin' it to my attention...

... my closing url tag was spelled uirl...

... slip o' the finger...

... went back an' fixed it.

 

[Obamerican]

I absolutely agree that correct numbers are crucial to making informed decisions. Unfortunately, my relatively recent entry onto this forum prevents me from posting my sources. This is especially frustrating as I have 3 sources that support the 168 number as Active Duty only. I would submit, that in this particular instance, the Christian Science Monitor erred. As soon as I am able, I will be happy to provide my links.

What I can do is provide this text from the DoD site:

"WASHINGTON, April 23, 2010 – With more than 6,000 veterans committing suicide every year –- and 98 veterans of Iraq and Afghanistan taking their own lives during fiscal 2009 alone -- the Department of Veterans Affairs is redoubling its outreach to veterans and promoting its toll-free suicide-prevention hotline.
National statistics show that veterans constitute about 20 percent of the 30,000 to 32,000 U.S. deaths each year from suicide. Of an average of 18 veterans who commit suicide each day, about five receive care through the VA health-care system. More than 60 percent of those five had diagnosed mental-health conditions."

These figures are accepted among both the DoD and the VA, which I will gladly demonstrate once I have hit my ability to post links. At initial glance, the fact that Veterans make up 20% of the suicide rate might seem trivial, but remember how small of a percentage of Americans make up that Veteran population and it shows to be way out of line.

If one goes by the thread title only, which most would, then the focus would be only on active duty, not vets.
So basically the thread and video title is in error.

The thread title is typical of Eots. Nothing new here.

 

[whitehall]

The pregnancy rate on US Navy warships is staggering. Duh...can the ignorant left make a connection between sexual abuse allegations and women sailors? WTF were we thinking when we put women to work alongside men in a combat environment?

 

[Katzndogz]

The pregnancy rate on US Navy warships is staggering. Duh...can the ignorant left make a connection between sexual abuse allegations and women sailors? WTF were we thinking when we put women to work alongside men in a combat environment?

It's a question to make you scratch your head! Who wanted to let women and wusses into the military? In a year or so, we'll be asking that question of gays.

 

[whitehall]

It's ironic that the president who was alleged to be a serial abuser of women and was accused of rape would authorize women to serve in combat roles out of some sort of perverted liberal "fairness doctrine".