18 actions to stop Sharia

MuslimAgorist

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A document landed on my desk recently that indirectly calls for my death. So, I thought it warrants some serious discussion.

Someone going by the name Civilus Defendus has written something called the Citizens’ Declaration of Threat & Plea for Relief: 18 actions to stop Sharia. We won't go over the full text, just a handful of choice passages.

“We Declare: Islam is both theological and political in nature”

And I say, “so what!” Anti-Muslim demagogues play this word game, “Islam is not a religion. It’s a political ideology.” As if Americans are not free to hold any political ideology. There are fascists and communists, neo-cons and progressives, moderates and anarchists. According to the philosophy of liberty they claim to revere, all religious and all political ideologies should be free in the market of ideas.

The basic message is that “core tenets” of Islam are “irreconcilably in conflict” with American culture and values. “Irreconcilable” clearly means that Islam is not welcome in America. “Core tenets” clearly aims to imply that all Muslims hold these views, and are therefore not welcome in America. Never mind that most Muslims do not hold these views.

They want to prohibit all additional mosques until Islamic countries reciprocate by allowing additional non Muslim houses of worship. Now, I absolutely agree that non Muslims should be free to build any structure they wish on property they own, but, why on earth should I be punished for what the Arabian Hillbillies do in their country? How do you even write such a law? It what mad fantasy are American Muslims expected to have more political influence on foreign governments than they have on their own? For that matter, what is the legal definition of a mosque anyway? Many Arab cultural centers are open to Christian and Muslim Arabs, but they have a prayer space. Are they mosques? If I open my garage up for Friday prayers does my garage become a mosque? Most importantly, isn’t such a law, “prohibiting the free exercise” of religion and "the right of the people peaceably to assemble"? what happened to "SHALL MAKE NO LAW."

But the most dangerous of actions advocated in this declaration is this:

"That Title 18 USC “Chapter 115: Treason, Sedition and Subversive Activities,” be fully utilized as duly appropriate against persons for advancing Sharia law."

Now, keep in mind Civilus Defendus has already said that these are “core tenets” of Islam. It’s clear from the writing that "Sharia," "Islam," and "Muslim" are inseparable synonyms. Further, Civilus Defendus regards their definition of Sharia, and all its ugliness, as the conclusive definition, even though most Muslims would disagree. Also, keep in mind that the punishment for treason is death.

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Quit you bitching the Quran calls for the death of all non members directly..

8:39. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allâh) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allâh Alone [in the whole of the world[]]. But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allâh), then certainly, Allâh is All-Seer of what they do

.[ 2:193.. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allâh) and (all and every kind of) worship is for Allâh (Alone).[] But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zâlimûn (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc
 
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Personally, I would stop the immigration of muslims to the west permanently, and any muslim who raises a fuss, gaffer tape him to a camel and drop him off in Libya.
 
The constitution should read: Freedom FROM religion, otherwise you get all kinds of nonsense shoved down your throat pretending to be real food.
 
A document landed on my desk recently that indirectly calls for my death.

You're lucky. I had one that DIRECTLY called for my death.

I think it had something to do with my picture of Muhammad.

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My death is called for becasue i am not a beleiver.
My death is called for becasue i use this avatar
Your death is called for because you just looked at my avatar.

:)

get it.. by default all Americans deaths are called for. It is what the religions states.
 
so... you support repeal of the 1st amendment, too?

would it then say only christians have freedom of religion?

Again, freedom of religion does not mean you get to build a church anywhere you feel like building one.

Muslims in this country enjoy freedom of religion.

Unfortunately, they have to get building permits just like anyone else. That can be political. Luckily, Islam isn't just a religion, but also a form of political oppression as well. They should be right at home figuring out how to force us to accept their shithole mosque at grojund zero. And if all else fails, they can just bomb, bomb again.
 
Allie, that just might have been your biggest load of crap post yet.

MuslimAgorist, some of us (hopefully, most of us) realize that the vast majority of Muslims pose no threat to the US. I am so sorry you received such hateful email.
 
Quit you bitching the Quran calls for the death of all non members directly..

8:39. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allâh) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allâh Alone [in the whole of the world[]]. But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allâh), then certainly, Allâh is All-Seer of what they do

.[ 2:193.. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allâh) and (all and every kind of) worship is for Allâh (Alone).[] But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zâlimûn (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc

Fitna doesn't mean mean polytheism. Shirk means polytheism. And the word there isn't Fitna anyway, it's Thulum, which means oppression or persecution.

Fight them until oppression and persecution are no more... sounds like a freedom fighter to me.

Find a translation other than NJ Danwood. He's an anti Muslim demagogue who intentionally mistranslates (and even ommits verses) to make it appear more violent than it is.
 
Allie, that just might have been your biggest load of crap post yet.

MuslimAgorist, some of us (hopefully, most of us) realize that the vast majority of Muslims pose no threat to the US. I am so sorry you received such hateful email.

Thank you for admitting you have nothing intelligent to add to the conversation.

The vast majority of KKK members pose no threat to the vast majority of Americans, either. Let's give them an honorary space at Ground Zero as well!
 
Quit you bitching the Quran calls for the death of all non members directly..

8:39. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allâh) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allâh Alone [in the whole of the world[]]. But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allâh), then certainly, Allâh is All-Seer of what they do

.[ 2:193.. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allâh) and (all and every kind of) worship is for Allâh (Alone).[] But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zâlimûn (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc

Fitna doesn't mean mean polytheism. Shirk means polytheism. And the word there isn't Fitna anyway, it's Thulum, which means oppression or persecution.

Fight them until oppression and persecution are no more... sounds like a freedom fighter to me.

Find a translation other than NJ Danwood. He's an anti Muslim demagogue who intentionally mistranslates (and even ommits verses) to make it appear more violent than it is.


There is no way humanly possible to make Islam look more violent than it is.
 
Personally, I would stop the immigration of muslims to the west permanently, and any muslim who raises a fuss, gaffer tape him to a camel and drop him off in Libya.

Then you must be in favor of a huge federal bureaucracy where people register their religion with the government. Sounds like fun.

But tell me... how do you intend to prove that someone is a Muslim? How do you know they aren't a Christian Arab, a Persian Communist, an Muslim apostate seeking asylum, or anything else. You are of course talking about regulating the mind.

Any Muslim who raises a fuss kinda sounds like, "Any negro who gets uppity." I was born here. What would you do with me?
 
Again, freedom of religion does not mean you get to build a church anywhere you feel like building one.
It's not anywhere they feel like building one. It's on private property they own. The Equal protection clause, not freedom of religion, means that the government can not discriminate against one group how they use their private property. I guess you're against property rights too?

Unfortunately, they have to get building permits just like anyone else. That can be political.
They had all the permits. The controversy isn't about permits.

Luckily, Islam isn't just a religion, but also a form of political oppression as well.
As if socialism isn't political oppression. As corporatism isn't political oppression. As if Americans are not free to hold any damn political ideology they want. The first amendment doesn't only protect religion, it protects expression and assembly.
 
Allie, that just might have been your biggest load of crap post yet.

MuslimAgorist, some of us (hopefully, most of us) realize that the vast majority of Muslims pose no threat to the US. I am so sorry you received such hateful email.


Thanks for that, but I've received much worse. I am after all a Muslim who believes he has the same rights as other Americans. I'm much more about exposing the incoherence of it than eliciting sympathy
 
Thank you for admitting you have nothing intelligent to add to the conversation.

The vast majority of KKK members pose no threat to the vast majority of Americans, either. Let's give them an honorary space at Ground Zero as well!

If it's private property they do any damn thing they want.

If it's so damn offensive to build a mosque near where "Muslims" killed 3000 Americans how offensive do you think it is to build a US military base near where Americans killed 1 million Muslims?

How close do you think the six US military bases in Japan are to Ground Zero?

And they don't even need building permits.
 
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There is no way humanly possible to make Islam look more violent than it is.

So you're saying that, "fight them until polytheism is no more" is not more violent than "fight them until oppression is no more"? Just sounds the same to you?
 
so... you support repeal of the 1st amendment, too?

would it then say only christians have freedom of religion?

nope just want them to understand cartoons of their leader and shira law are in conflict with the first amendment .... and that they lack sensitivity to the american people affected by 911 ....
 
Allie, that just might have been your biggest load of crap post yet.

MuslimAgorist, some of us (hopefully, most of us) realize that the vast majority of Muslims pose no threat to the US. I am so sorry you received such hateful email.


Thanks for that, but I've received much worse. I am after all a Muslim who believes he has the same rights as other Americans. I'm much more about exposing the incoherence of it than eliciting sympathy

would you vote for or against making islam the national religion and have shria law replace the constitution....would you take up arms against muslims to prevent the destruction of the american political system....
 

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