14 states may target birthright citizenship

[get_involved]

14 states may target birthright citizenship - Yahoo! News

 

[Intense]

Change has to start somewhere.

 

[zzzz]

No state can deny anyone citizenship even if they were a born to non-citizens. The ammendment and thereby the constitution is clear on this matter. A state can pass a referendum if they so choose but it is non-binding. The only way to clear this up is through another ammendment. If there are 15 states wanting this, they need another 19 states and they can get an amendment or even call for a constitutional convention.

 

[manu1959]

one wonders how one gets a drivers license or a passport without a birth certificate....least of all become president....

 

[rightwinger]

States lack the jurisdiction to repeal the 14th amendment

 

[Intense]

No state can deny anyone citizenship even if they were a born to non-citizens. The ammendment and thereby the constitution is clear on this matter. A state can pass a referendum if they so choose but it is non-binding. The only way to clear this up is through another ammendment. If there are 15 states wanting this, they need another 19 states and they can get an amendment or even call for a constitutional convention.

When exactly did the matter become clear? Why? How? What would you describe about how the matter was handled before the epiphany?

 

[Intense]

one wonders how one gets a drivers license or a passport without a birth certificate....least of all become president....

Follow the money.

 

[shintao]

one wonders how one gets a drivers license or a passport without a birth certificate....least of all become president....

Oh, it is easy. You just take in a copy of the BC.


We should cut off this practice. I doubt Mexico does this crap either.

 

[xotoxi]

one wonders how one gets a drivers license or a passport without a birth certificate....least of all become president....

I just renewed my Driver's License in Maine. And they required that I either have a birth certificate or a passport. Luckily, they accepted my passport which is expired by a few years. I renewed it on a Wednesday prior to my Saturday birthday. I would have been fucked had they not accepted my passport.

I think that states should give drivers licenses to legal foreigners, but with a special notation on the ID showing that they are not a citizen and with an expiration date no later than the visa expiration date.

 

[Sallow]

The silly season has begun.

 

[M14 Shooter]

States lack the jurisdiction to repeal the 14th amendment

On the contrary - the states can amend the constituion in whatever way they might choose.

 

[zzzz]

No state can deny anyone citizenship even if they were a born to non-citizens. The ammendment and thereby the constitution is clear on this matter. A state can pass a referendum if they so choose but it is non-binding. The only way to clear this up is through another ammendment. If there are 15 states wanting this, they need another 19 states and they can get an amendment or even call for a constitutional convention.

When exactly did the matter become clear? Why? How? What would you describe about how the matter was handled before the epiphany?

In Afroyim v. Rusk, a five-to-four majority of the US Supreme Court overruled the 1958 decision permitting expatriation for voting in a foreign election and announced a constitutional rule against all but purely voluntary renunciation of United States citizenship. The majority ruled that the first sentence of the Fourteenth Amendment constitutionally vested citizenship in every person “born or naturalized in the United States” and that Congress was powerless to take that citizenship away.

 

[The Infidel]

States lack the jurisdiction to repeal the 14th amendment

On the contrary - the states can amend the constituion in whatever way they might choose.

This is key....

"Pearce argues that the "original intent" of the 14th Amendment was to grant citizenship to freed U.S. slaves, and that it was never meant to apply to the children of foreigners."


This needs to be figured out 1st.... b/c repealing the ammendment in my opinion is not necessary. Lets just interpret it properly.

 

[rightwinger]

States lack the jurisdiction to repeal the 14th amendment

On the contrary - the states can amend the constituion in whatever way they might choose.

This is key....

"Pearce argues that the "original intent" of the 14th Amendment was to grant citizenship to freed U.S. slaves, and that it was never meant to apply to the children of foreigners."

This needs to be figured out 1st.... b/c repealing the ammendment in my opinion is not necessary. Lets just interpret it properly.

The states do not interpret the intent, the courts do

 

[rightwinger]

States lack the jurisdiction to repeal the 14th amendment

On the contrary - the states can amend the constituion in whatever way they might choose.

Individually....no
CollectIvely....yes

 

[The Infidel]

On the contrary - the states can amend the constituion in whatever way they might choose.

This is key....

"Pearce argues that the "original intent" of the 14th Amendment was to grant citizenship to freed U.S. slaves, and that it was never meant to apply to the children of foreigners."

This needs to be figured out 1st.... b/c repealing the ammendment in my opinion is not necessary. Lets just interpret it properly.

The states do not interpret the intent, the courts do

I dont give a shit.... it just needs to be done. PERIOD!

This entire arguement is just plain stupid. A 3rd grader can read the 14th ammendment and understand what it was there for

 

[M14 Shooter]

No state can deny anyone citizenship even if they were a born to non-citizens. The ammendment and thereby the constitution is clear on this matter. A state can pass a referendum if they so choose but it is non-binding. The only way to clear this up is through another ammendment. If there are 15 states wanting this, they need another 19 states and they can get an amendment or even call for a constitutional convention.

When exactly did the matter become clear? Why? How? What would you describe about how the matter was handled before the epiphany?

In Afroyim v. Rusk, a five-to-four majority of the US Supreme Court overruled the 1958 decision permitting expatriation for voting in a foreign election and announced a constitutional rule against all but purely voluntary renunciation of United States citizenship. The majority ruled that the first sentence of the Fourteenth Amendment constitutionally vested citizenship in every person “born or naturalized in the United States” and that Congress was powerless to take that citizenship away.

Like the 5-4 remedy decision in Bush v Gore, this was a politically motivated vote that fell along party lines. As such, it isn't a REAL decision.

 

[zzzz]

States lack the jurisdiction to repeal the 14th amendment

On the contrary - the states can amend the constituion in whatever way they might choose.

This is key....

"Pearce argues that the "original intent" of the 14th Amendment was to grant citizenship to freed U.S. slaves, and that it was never meant to apply to the children of foreigners."


This needs to be figured out 1st.... b/c repealing the ammendment in my opinion is not necessary. Lets just interpret it properly.

If the intent was to only make slaves citizens then it should have read:
Section 1. All emanciated persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

 

[M14 Shooter]

States lack the jurisdiction to repeal the 14th amendment

On the contrary - the states can amend the constituion in whatever way they might choose.

Individually....no
CollectIvely....yes

Glad you agree with me, and that you admit your error. Kudos.

 

[SFC Ollie]

No need to repeal the 14th amendment, or to challenge it. Simply pass a new amendment doing away with citizenship for children of illegals. There would be enough votes for it if the idiots in Washington don't play politics with it.