12 people shot in public shooting in gun controlled Britain

[2aguy]

Britain has averaged one mass public shooting every 10 years....that is how often their nuts go nuts and decide to shoot people in public......this is almost a public shooting, but doesn't quite make it because 3 or more people haven't been killed in the public shooting....but it is a shooting, in public, and British gun control did not stop it...

The shooter used a shotgun...... you know, one of the guns our gun grabbers tell us they don't want to confiscate...


Here we have a public shooting in Britain, where the anti gunners tell us this can't happen........it isn't a mass public shooting because the shooter 1) didn't decide to shoot more people, or, 2) was a bad shot.... British gun control did not stop this shooting from becoming a mass public shooting...

there was in illegal gun

The shooter went to a public place

He pulled the trigger as he pointed the gun at human beings..

At what point did British gun control stop this attack?

Ten people in hospital after a shooting in Manchester | Daily Mail Online

Ten people, including two children, have been shot in Manchester after a carnival event in the Moss Side area.

Horrified revellers were partying into the early hours of Sunday morning after enjoying the 'peaceful' celebration when a man fired his gun in the street.

The youngest victim, aged 12, was shot as his petrified parents looked on at around 2.30am, witnesses have revealed.

Armed officers from Greater Manchester Police (GMP) were scrambled to the scene on Claremont Road.

Terrifying footage of the bloody aftermath shows a panicked group crying out and a voice asking 'can you hear me?'.
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Early suggestions were that is was gang related but witnesses said a man let off his gun below waist height in the middle of the road to 'show off'.

One man said: 'I heard it was just one man showing off in front of his friends.

'He pulled a gun out and then it's gone off and ten people have been shot.

'I've been told they were mostly shot below the knee.
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Many people were shocked but others said Moss Side has experienced gun crime before.

 

[2aguy]

Update...

Moss Side shooting was attempted multiple murder, police say

 

[fncceo]

Palette cleanser...

 

[JakeStarkey]

Yet UK is 12 to 15 times safer than the US.

How do you explain that, OP.

 

[2aguy]

Yet UK is 12 to 15 times safer than the US.

How do you explain that, OP.

No.... Britain is 2X more violent than the U.S. ... their gun crime rate is going up, their violent crime rate is going up, our crime rates are going down.... and that is happening as more Americans own and carry guns while in Britain, they banned and confiscated guns.

 

[Slade3200]

Britain has averaged one mass public shooting every 10 years....that is how often their nuts go nuts and decide to shoot people in public......this is almost a public shooting, but doesn't quite make it because 3 or more people haven't been killed in the public shooting....but it is a shooting, in public, and British gun control did not stop it...

The shooter used a shotgun...... you know, one of the guns our gun grabbers tell us they don't want to confiscate...


Here we have a public shooting in Britain, where the anti gunners tell us this can't happen........it isn't a mass public shooting because the shooter 1) didn't decide to shoot more people, or, 2) was a bad shot.... British gun control did not stop this shooting from becoming a mass public shooting...

there was in illegal gun

The shooter went to a public place

He pulled the trigger as he pointed the gun at human beings..

At what point did British gun control stop this attack?

Ten people in hospital after a shooting in Manchester | Daily Mail Online

Ten people, including two children, have been shot in Manchester after a carnival event in the Moss Side area.

Horrified revellers were partying into the early hours of Sunday morning after enjoying the 'peaceful' celebration when a man fired his gun in the street.

The youngest victim, aged 12, was shot as his petrified parents looked on at around 2.30am, witnesses have revealed.

Armed officers from Greater Manchester Police (GMP) were scrambled to the scene on Claremont Road.

Terrifying footage of the bloody aftermath shows a panicked group crying out and a voice asking 'can you hear me?'.
---------

Early suggestions were that is was gang related but witnesses said a man let off his gun below waist height in the middle of the road to 'show off'.

One man said: 'I heard it was just one man showing off in front of his friends.

'He pulled a gun out and then it's gone off and ten people have been shot.

'I've been told they were mostly shot below the knee.
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Many people were shocked but others said Moss Side has experienced gun crime before.

Do you think that gun control advocates are claiming that gun bans and restrictions will stop ALL shootings?

 

[2aguy]

Britain has averaged one mass public shooting every 10 years....that is how often their nuts go nuts and decide to shoot people in public......this is almost a public shooting, but doesn't quite make it because 3 or more people haven't been killed in the public shooting....but it is a shooting, in public, and British gun control did not stop it...

The shooter used a shotgun...... you know, one of the guns our gun grabbers tell us they don't want to confiscate...


Here we have a public shooting in Britain, where the anti gunners tell us this can't happen........it isn't a mass public shooting because the shooter 1) didn't decide to shoot more people, or, 2) was a bad shot.... British gun control did not stop this shooting from becoming a mass public shooting...

there was in illegal gun

The shooter went to a public place

He pulled the trigger as he pointed the gun at human beings..

At what point did British gun control stop this attack?

Ten people in hospital after a shooting in Manchester | Daily Mail Online

Ten people, including two children, have been shot in Manchester after a carnival event in the Moss Side area.

Horrified revellers were partying into the early hours of Sunday morning after enjoying the 'peaceful' celebration when a man fired his gun in the street.

The youngest victim, aged 12, was shot as his petrified parents looked on at around 2.30am, witnesses have revealed.

Armed officers from Greater Manchester Police (GMP) were scrambled to the scene on Claremont Road.

Terrifying footage of the bloody aftermath shows a panicked group crying out and a voice asking 'can you hear me?'.
---------

Early suggestions were that is was gang related but witnesses said a man let off his gun below waist height in the middle of the road to 'show off'.

One man said: 'I heard it was just one man showing off in front of his friends.

'He pulled a gun out and then it's gone off and ten people have been shot.

'I've been told they were mostly shot below the knee.
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Many people were shocked but others said Moss Side has experienced gun crime before.

Do you think that gun control advocates are claiming that gun bans and restrictions will stop ALL shootings?

No.... what they claim is that it reduces gun violence.... and Britain shows that it doesn't even do that. Gun crime in Britain has gone up since the ban...it is up 44% just last year in London alone, and up again this year 12% in Britain..... criminals are getting guns more and more often there.

Here? More Americans own and carry guns over the last 25 years....our gun murder rate went down 49%. Our gun crime rate went down 75%. Our violent crime rate went down 72%.

The entire premise of the anti gun argument is that more guns will mean more gun crime. Britain and the U.S. show that that premise is not true, in fact, it is false.

Law abiding people owning and carrying guns does not increase the gun crime or gun murder rate. And when you focus on law abiding gun owners, the criminals will increase the gun crime rate as they become more violent and more determined to protect their drug turf.

What creates gun crime? Single teenage mothers raising young males without fathers..... and left wing judges who let violent gun offenders out of jail over and over again.

I have posted that over and over....... reduce those two things, and you lower the gun crime rate.

 

[JakeStarkey]

UK is 1/9th as violent as the USA.

Just do the figures.

The entire Kingdom has 20 stabbings and shootings in a month.

Chicago alone has 79 shootings in a weekend.

 

[Slade3200]

Britain has averaged one mass public shooting every 10 years....that is how often their nuts go nuts and decide to shoot people in public......this is almost a public shooting, but doesn't quite make it because 3 or more people haven't been killed in the public shooting....but it is a shooting, in public, and British gun control did not stop it...

The shooter used a shotgun...... you know, one of the guns our gun grabbers tell us they don't want to confiscate...


Here we have a public shooting in Britain, where the anti gunners tell us this can't happen........it isn't a mass public shooting because the shooter 1) didn't decide to shoot more people, or, 2) was a bad shot.... British gun control did not stop this shooting from becoming a mass public shooting...

there was in illegal gun

The shooter went to a public place

He pulled the trigger as he pointed the gun at human beings..

At what point did British gun control stop this attack?

Ten people in hospital after a shooting in Manchester | Daily Mail Online

Ten people, including two children, have been shot in Manchester after a carnival event in the Moss Side area.

Horrified revellers were partying into the early hours of Sunday morning after enjoying the 'peaceful' celebration when a man fired his gun in the street.

The youngest victim, aged 12, was shot as his petrified parents looked on at around 2.30am, witnesses have revealed.

Armed officers from Greater Manchester Police (GMP) were scrambled to the scene on Claremont Road.

Terrifying footage of the bloody aftermath shows a panicked group crying out and a voice asking 'can you hear me?'.
---------

Early suggestions were that is was gang related but witnesses said a man let off his gun below waist height in the middle of the road to 'show off'.

One man said: 'I heard it was just one man showing off in front of his friends.

'He pulled a gun out and then it's gone off and ten people have been shot.

'I've been told they were mostly shot below the knee.
-------------

Many people were shocked but others said Moss Side has experienced gun crime before.

Do you think that gun control advocates are claiming that gun bans and restrictions will stop ALL shootings?

No.... what they claim is that it reduces gun violence.... and Britain shows that it doesn't even do that. Gun crime in Britain has gone up since the ban...it is up 44% just last year in London alone, and up again this year 12% in Britain..... criminals are getting guns more and more often there.

Here? More Americans own and carry guns over the last 25 years....our gun murder rate went down 49%. Our gun crime rate went down 75%. Our violent crime rate went down 72%.

The entire premise of the anti gun argument is that more guns will mean more gun crime. Britain and the U.S. show that that premise is not true, in fact, it is false.

Law abiding people owning and carrying guns does not increase the gun crime or gun murder rate. And when you focus on law abiding gun owners, the criminals will increase the gun crime rate as they become more violent and more determined to protect their drug turf.

What creates gun crime? Single teenage mothers raising young males without fathers..... and left wing judges who let violent gun offenders out of jail over and over again.

I have posted that over and over....... reduce those two things, and you lower the gun crime rate.

It went up 42% in London this year... even with the bump do you know how this years numbers compare to 5 years ago? 10 years ago?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Yup it went from 10 to 14.

 

[2aguy]

UK is 1/9th as violent as the USA.

Just do the figures.

The entire Kingdom has 20 stabbings and shootings in a month.

Chicago alone has 79 shootings in a weekend.

Wrong..... 2X as violent....and getting worse....

The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S. | Daily Mail Online

Britain's violent crime record is worse than any other country in the European union, it has been revealed.

Official crime figures show the UK also has a worse rate for all types of violence than the U.S. and even South Africa - widely considered one of the world's most dangerous countries.

In the UK, there are 2,034 offences per 100,000 people, way ahead of second-placed Austria with a rate of 1,677.

The U.S. has a violence rate of 466 crimes per 100,000 residents, Canada 935, Australia 92 and South Africa 1,609.

Then you have this...

Social media post says U.K. has far higher violent crime rate than U.S. does


For England and Wales, we added together three crime categories: "violence against the person, with injury," "most serious sexual crime," and "robbery." This produced a rate of 775 violent crimes per 100,000 people.

For the United States, we used the FBI’s four standard categories for violent crime that Bier cited. We came up with a rate of 383 violent crimes per 100,000 people.

This calculation suggests that there is a higher rate of crime in England and Wales, but the discrepancy is not anywhere near as wide as the one cited in the meme.

 

[2aguy]

Britain has averaged one mass public shooting every 10 years....that is how often their nuts go nuts and decide to shoot people in public......this is almost a public shooting, but doesn't quite make it because 3 or more people haven't been killed in the public shooting....but it is a shooting, in public, and British gun control did not stop it...

The shooter used a shotgun...... you know, one of the guns our gun grabbers tell us they don't want to confiscate...


Here we have a public shooting in Britain, where the anti gunners tell us this can't happen........it isn't a mass public shooting because the shooter 1) didn't decide to shoot more people, or, 2) was a bad shot.... British gun control did not stop this shooting from becoming a mass public shooting...

there was in illegal gun

The shooter went to a public place

He pulled the trigger as he pointed the gun at human beings..

At what point did British gun control stop this attack?

Ten people in hospital after a shooting in Manchester | Daily Mail Online

Ten people, including two children, have been shot in Manchester after a carnival event in the Moss Side area.

Horrified revellers were partying into the early hours of Sunday morning after enjoying the 'peaceful' celebration when a man fired his gun in the street.

The youngest victim, aged 12, was shot as his petrified parents looked on at around 2.30am, witnesses have revealed.

Armed officers from Greater Manchester Police (GMP) were scrambled to the scene on Claremont Road.

Terrifying footage of the bloody aftermath shows a panicked group crying out and a voice asking 'can you hear me?'.
---------

Early suggestions were that is was gang related but witnesses said a man let off his gun below waist height in the middle of the road to 'show off'.

One man said: 'I heard it was just one man showing off in front of his friends.

'He pulled a gun out and then it's gone off and ten people have been shot.

'I've been told they were mostly shot below the knee.
-------------

Many people were shocked but others said Moss Side has experienced gun crime before.

Do you think that gun control advocates are claiming that gun bans and restrictions will stop ALL shootings?

No.... what they claim is that it reduces gun violence.... and Britain shows that it doesn't even do that. Gun crime in Britain has gone up since the ban...it is up 44% just last year in London alone, and up again this year 12% in Britain..... criminals are getting guns more and more often there.

Here? More Americans own and carry guns over the last 25 years....our gun murder rate went down 49%. Our gun crime rate went down 75%. Our violent crime rate went down 72%.

The entire premise of the anti gun argument is that more guns will mean more gun crime. Britain and the U.S. show that that premise is not true, in fact, it is false.

Law abiding people owning and carrying guns does not increase the gun crime or gun murder rate. And when you focus on law abiding gun owners, the criminals will increase the gun crime rate as they become more violent and more determined to protect their drug turf.

What creates gun crime? Single teenage mothers raising young males without fathers..... and left wing judges who let violent gun offenders out of jail over and over again.

I have posted that over and over....... reduce those two things, and you lower the gun crime rate.

It went up 42% in London this year... even with the bump do you know how this years numbers compare to 5 years ago? 10 years ago?

Yep, they are higher...

Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade | Daily Mail Online

The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.

The number of people injured or killed by guns, excluding air weapons, has increased from 864 in 1998/99 to a provisional figure of 1,760 in 2008/09, an increase of 104 per cent .




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Crime rise is biggest in a decade, ONS figures show

Ministers will also be concerned that the country is becoming increasingly violent in nature, with gun crime rising 23% to 6,375 offences, largely driven by an increase in the use of handguns.

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Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

Top trauma surgeon reveals shocking extent of London’s gun crime

A leading trauma surgeon has told how the number of patients treated for gunshot injuries at a major London hospital has doubled in the last five years.

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He said the hospital’s major trauma centre had seen a bigger rise in gunshot injuries compared to knife wounds and that the average age of victims was getting younger.

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Last year, gun crime offences in London increased for a third year running and by 42 per cent, from 1,793 offences in 2015/16 to 2,544 offences in 2016/17. Police have seized 635 guns off the streets so far this year.

Dr Griffiths, who also teaches medical students, said: “Our numbers of victims of gun injury have doubled [since 2012]. Gunshot injuries represent about 2.5 per cent of our penetrating trauma.

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Dr Griffiths said the average age of gun crime victims needing treatment at the hospital had decreased from 25 to the mid to late teens since 2012.

He added that medics at the Barts Health hospital’s major trauma centre in Whitechapel had seen a bigger rise in patients with gun injuries rather than knife wounds and that most were caused by pistols or shotguns.

Met Police commander Jim Stokley, who was also invited to speak at the meeting, said that handguns and shotguns were the weapons of choice and that 46 per cent of London’s gun crime discharges were gang-related.

He said: “We believe that a lot of it is associated with the drugs trade, and by that I mean people dealing drugs at street level and disagreements between different gangs.”

Violent crime on the rise in every corner of the country, figures suggest

But analysis of the figures force by force, showed the full extent of the problem, with only one constabulary, Nottinghamshire, recording a reduction in violent offences.

The vast majority of police forces actually witnessed double digit rises in violent crime, with Northumbria posting a 95 per cent increase year on year.

Of the other forces, Durham Police recorded a 73 per cent rise; West Yorkshire was up 48 per cent; Avon and Somerset 45 per cent; Dorset 39 per cent and Warwickshire 37 per cent.

Elsewhere Humberside, South Yorkshire, Staffordshire, Essex, Hertfordshire, Kent, Wiltshire and Dyfed Powys all saw violence rise by more than a quarter year on year.




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[2aguy]

Britain has averaged one mass public shooting every 10 years....that is how often their nuts go nuts and decide to shoot people in public......this is almost a public shooting, but doesn't quite make it because 3 or more people haven't been killed in the public shooting....but it is a shooting, in public, and British gun control did not stop it...

The shooter used a shotgun...... you know, one of the guns our gun grabbers tell us they don't want to confiscate...


Here we have a public shooting in Britain, where the anti gunners tell us this can't happen........it isn't a mass public shooting because the shooter 1) didn't decide to shoot more people, or, 2) was a bad shot.... British gun control did not stop this shooting from becoming a mass public shooting...

there was in illegal gun

The shooter went to a public place

He pulled the trigger as he pointed the gun at human beings..

At what point did British gun control stop this attack?

Ten people in hospital after a shooting in Manchester | Daily Mail Online

Ten people, including two children, have been shot in Manchester after a carnival event in the Moss Side area.

Horrified revellers were partying into the early hours of Sunday morning after enjoying the 'peaceful' celebration when a man fired his gun in the street.

The youngest victim, aged 12, was shot as his petrified parents looked on at around 2.30am, witnesses have revealed.

Armed officers from Greater Manchester Police (GMP) were scrambled to the scene on Claremont Road.

Terrifying footage of the bloody aftermath shows a panicked group crying out and a voice asking 'can you hear me?'.
---------

Early suggestions were that is was gang related but witnesses said a man let off his gun below waist height in the middle of the road to 'show off'.

One man said: 'I heard it was just one man showing off in front of his friends.

'He pulled a gun out and then it's gone off and ten people have been shot.

'I've been told they were mostly shot below the knee.
-------------

Many people were shocked but others said Moss Side has experienced gun crime before.

Do you think that gun control advocates are claiming that gun bans and restrictions will stop ALL shootings?

There are two things that need to be addressed to actually lower gun crime. First, you have to keep violent gun offenders locked up for long periods of time....this is how Japan stopped the Yakuza from using guns. Second, the harder part, you have to address generations of single teenage girls raising young males without fathers. That is the biggest driver of all crime.....fatherless boys whose only role models are criminals.

Focusing on law abiding people who use their guns for good purposes, isn't going to lower the gun crime rate.

 

[bodecea]

Britain has averaged one mass public shooting every 10 years....that is how often their nuts go nuts and decide to shoot people in public......this is almost a public shooting, but doesn't quite make it because 3 or more people haven't been killed in the public shooting....but it is a shooting, in public, and British gun control did not stop it...

The shooter used a shotgun...... you know, one of the guns our gun grabbers tell us they don't want to confiscate...


Here we have a public shooting in Britain, where the anti gunners tell us this can't happen........it isn't a mass public shooting because the shooter 1) didn't decide to shoot more people, or, 2) was a bad shot.... British gun control did not stop this shooting from becoming a mass public shooting...

there was in illegal gun

The shooter went to a public place

He pulled the trigger as he pointed the gun at human beings..

At what point did British gun control stop this attack?

Ten people in hospital after a shooting in Manchester | Daily Mail Online

Ten people, including two children, have been shot in Manchester after a carnival event in the Moss Side area.

Horrified revellers were partying into the early hours of Sunday morning after enjoying the 'peaceful' celebration when a man fired his gun in the street.

The youngest victim, aged 12, was shot as his petrified parents looked on at around 2.30am, witnesses have revealed.

Armed officers from Greater Manchester Police (GMP) were scrambled to the scene on Claremont Road.

Terrifying footage of the bloody aftermath shows a panicked group crying out and a voice asking 'can you hear me?'.
---------

Early suggestions were that is was gang related but witnesses said a man let off his gun below waist height in the middle of the road to 'show off'.

One man said: 'I heard it was just one man showing off in front of his friends.

'He pulled a gun out and then it's gone off and ten people have been shot.

'I've been told they were mostly shot below the knee.
-------------

Many people were shocked but others said Moss Side has experienced gun crime before.

Oh happy day! Indeed.....it is.

 

[JakeStarkey]

2aguy can fib all he wants: 240 stabbings and shootings a year in the Kingdom.

That's it.

 

[2aguy]

2aguy can fib all he wants: 240 stabbings and shootings a year in the Kingdom.

That's it.

And yet gun crime is up 42% in London..... gun crime. That means that British criminals are using guns more often to commit crime, but in their history, British criminals haven't been prone to actually shooting their victims.... they are getting more and more guns despite British gun control. As their social welfare state breaks down their family structure, they are getting more violent.....

 

[JakeStarkey]

So if it went up to 14 from 10, yeah, that's quite a hike, but in actual numbers in a city of ten million, it means nothing.

How many were shot in Miami last weekend, bub?