100,000 people shot in the US per year! Good guy saving lives?

You the fool:

CDC Study - “In 2010, incidents in the U.S. involving firearms injured or killed more than 105,000 Americans, of which there were twice as many nonfatal firearm-related injuries (73,505) than deaths.”

How many self defense uses in 2010?

“Self-defense can be an important crime deterrent,” concluded a study by the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) mandated via executive order by President Barack Obama. The findings also question the effectiveness of gun-control measures.

Obama Study Concluded Firearms Used for Self-Defense ‘Important Crime Deterrent’.

Yep. Happened here just the other day. A CCW holder stopped a thief from robbing his business......again:

Cleveland businessman stops thief, holds him at gunpoint until police arrive

He pulled a gun on a tire thief & could claim armed robbery because thief used a tire iron to remove lug-nuts. That does not count as saving lives with a gun. Yes they may occasionally stop a crime, but the owner & cameras already caught the guy in the act.

Yeah guns may stop 500,000 crimes or perceived crimes a year, but they are not saving innocent from being shot or lives. We are not doing enough to keep guns from bad guys.

That's because there is nothing you can do to keep the bad guy from getting guns. It's been our point all along.

Unless we make it a death penalty crime, and carry the penalty out within six months, you're not going to deter a criminal with a few months in jail for having an illegal gun.

Just because we can't stop every single bad guy every time, we can sure do a ton better than allowing over 100,000 shootings a year. Publish a list of potential bad guys like we do the registered sex offenders, so citizens can keep eyes on them. Without that you have no idea that your neighbor is on the terror watch or no fly list. You don't know they are on psycho drugs, violent with restraining orders. They should not be allowed to have guns & we should know about it.

We are fortunate enough to be free, not repeatedly searched or asked for papers & not deported without due process. We don't need to allow this scum to drive, fly, or have high capacity weapons, explosives, hazardous materials or armor.


The no fly list is unconstitutional as hell, it is a deprivation of liberty without due process.


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You the fool:

CDC Study - “In 2010, incidents in the U.S. involving firearms injured or killed more than 105,000 Americans, of which there were twice as many nonfatal firearm-related injuries (73,505) than deaths.”

How many self defense uses in 2010?

“Self-defense can be an important crime deterrent,” concluded a study by the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) mandated via executive order by President Barack Obama. The findings also question the effectiveness of gun-control measures.

Obama Study Concluded Firearms Used for Self-Defense ‘Important Crime Deterrent’.

Yep. Happened here just the other day. A CCW holder stopped a thief from robbing his business......again:

Cleveland businessman stops thief, holds him at gunpoint until police arrive

He pulled a gun on a tire thief & could claim armed robbery because thief used a tire iron to remove lug-nuts. That does not count as saving lives with a gun. Yes they may occasionally stop a crime, but the owner & cameras already caught the guy in the act.

Yeah guns may stop 500,000 crimes or perceived crimes a year, but they are not saving innocent from being shot or lives. We are not doing enough to keep guns from bad guys.

That's because there is nothing you can do to keep the bad guy from getting guns. It's been our point all along.

Unless we make it a death penalty crime, and carry the penalty out within six months, you're not going to deter a criminal with a few months in jail for having an illegal gun.

Just because we can't stop every single bad guy every time, we can sure do a ton better than allowing over 100,000 shootings a year. Publish a list of potential bad guys like we do the registered sex offenders, so citizens can keep eyes on them. Without that you have no idea that your neighbor is on the terror watch or no fly list. You don't know they are on psycho drugs, violent with restraining orders. They should not be allowed to have guns & we should know about it.

We are fortunate enough to be free, not repeatedly searched or asked for papers & not deported without due process. We don't need to allow this scum to drive, fly, or have high capacity weapons, explosives, hazardous materials or armor.

The difference is that registered sex offenders have had a fair trail, convicted and sentenced to prison. We don't put those people on the list because they were once suspected of something.

Your 100,000 figure is misleading:

Nearly two-thirds (62 percent) of firearm deaths in the U.S. are suicides.

Of the 169,395 firearm deaths in the US from 2011 to 2015 (the most recent five years of data available), 105,183 (or 62 percent) were suicides. To calculate this total, Everytown relies on CDC data regarding fatal injury by intent.3


So just using homicides alone, there were about 170,000 in five years; most of them suicides.
 
How many self defense uses in 2010?

“Self-defense can be an important crime deterrent,” concluded a study by the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) mandated via executive order by President Barack Obama. The findings also question the effectiveness of gun-control measures.

Obama Study Concluded Firearms Used for Self-Defense ‘Important Crime Deterrent’.

Yep. Happened here just the other day. A CCW holder stopped a thief from robbing his business......again:

Cleveland businessman stops thief, holds him at gunpoint until police arrive

He pulled a gun on a tire thief & could claim armed robbery because thief used a tire iron to remove lug-nuts. That does not count as saving lives with a gun. Yes they may occasionally stop a crime, but the owner & cameras already caught the guy in the act.

Yeah guns may stop 500,000 crimes or perceived crimes a year, but they are not saving innocent from being shot or lives. We are not doing enough to keep guns from bad guys.

That's because there is nothing you can do to keep the bad guy from getting guns. It's been our point all along.

Unless we make it a death penalty crime, and carry the penalty out within six months, you're not going to deter a criminal with a few months in jail for having an illegal gun.

Just because we can't stop every single bad guy every time, we can sure do a ton better than allowing over 100,000 shootings a year. Publish a list of potential bad guys like we do the registered sex offenders, so citizens can keep eyes on them. Without that you have no idea that your neighbor is on the terror watch or no fly list. You don't know they are on psycho drugs, violent with restraining orders. They should not be allowed to have guns & we should know about it.

We are fortunate enough to be free, not repeatedly searched or asked for papers & not deported without due process. We don't need to allow this scum to drive, fly, or have high capacity weapons, explosives, hazardous materials or armor.

The difference is that registered sex offenders have had a fair trail, convicted and sentenced to prison. We don't put those people on the list because they were once suspected of something.

Your 100,000 figure is misleading:

Nearly two-thirds (62 percent) of firearm deaths in the U.S. are suicides.

Of the 169,395 firearm deaths in the US from 2011 to 2015 (the most recent five years of data available), 105,183 (or 62 percent) were suicides. To calculate this total, Everytown relies on CDC data regarding fatal injury by intent.3


So just using homicides alone, there were about 170,000 in five years; most of them suicides.

So what a few people can't have a gun. I have to rewire every rental house for GFCI because it might save 20 lives nation wide. Ask me if I give a shit about infringing a tiny bit on their rights.
 
Yep. Happened here just the other day. A CCW holder stopped a thief from robbing his business......again:

Cleveland businessman stops thief, holds him at gunpoint until police arrive

He pulled a gun on a tire thief & could claim armed robbery because thief used a tire iron to remove lug-nuts. That does not count as saving lives with a gun. Yes they may occasionally stop a crime, but the owner & cameras already caught the guy in the act.

Yeah guns may stop 500,000 crimes or perceived crimes a year, but they are not saving innocent from being shot or lives. We are not doing enough to keep guns from bad guys.

That's because there is nothing you can do to keep the bad guy from getting guns. It's been our point all along.

Unless we make it a death penalty crime, and carry the penalty out within six months, you're not going to deter a criminal with a few months in jail for having an illegal gun.

Just because we can't stop every single bad guy every time, we can sure do a ton better than allowing over 100,000 shootings a year. Publish a list of potential bad guys like we do the registered sex offenders, so citizens can keep eyes on them. Without that you have no idea that your neighbor is on the terror watch or no fly list. You don't know they are on psycho drugs, violent with restraining orders. They should not be allowed to have guns & we should know about it.

We are fortunate enough to be free, not repeatedly searched or asked for papers & not deported without due process. We don't need to allow this scum to drive, fly, or have high capacity weapons, explosives, hazardous materials or armor.

The difference is that registered sex offenders have had a fair trail, convicted and sentenced to prison. We don't put those people on the list because they were once suspected of something.

Your 100,000 figure is misleading:

Nearly two-thirds (62 percent) of firearm deaths in the U.S. are suicides.

Of the 169,395 firearm deaths in the US from 2011 to 2015 (the most recent five years of data available), 105,183 (or 62 percent) were suicides. To calculate this total, Everytown relies on CDC data regarding fatal injury by intent.3


So just using homicides alone, there were about 170,000 in five years; most of them suicides.

So what a few people can't have a gun. I have to rewire every rental house for GFCI because it might save 20 lives nation wide. Ask me if I give a shit about infringing a tiny bit on their rights.

Rights are not subjective. We either have rights or we don't.

If you don't give a shit about the rights of somebody else, and then something comes down the pike and they don't care about your rights being violated, and you both don't care about another's rights, then eventually we won't have any rights. First they came for the Jews, but I said nothing because I was not Jewish............

We lose about 30,000 Americans a year to car accidents, but I don't think the solution is to outlaw cars.
 
Yep. Happened here just the other day. A CCW holder stopped a thief from robbing his business......again:

Cleveland businessman stops thief, holds him at gunpoint until police arrive

He pulled a gun on a tire thief & could claim armed robbery because thief used a tire iron to remove lug-nuts. That does not count as saving lives with a gun. Yes they may occasionally stop a crime, but the owner & cameras already caught the guy in the act.

Yeah guns may stop 500,000 crimes or perceived crimes a year, but they are not saving innocent from being shot or lives. We are not doing enough to keep guns from bad guys.

That's because there is nothing you can do to keep the bad guy from getting guns. It's been our point all along.

Unless we make it a death penalty crime, and carry the penalty out within six months, you're not going to deter a criminal with a few months in jail for having an illegal gun.

Just because we can't stop every single bad guy every time, we can sure do a ton better than allowing over 100,000 shootings a year. Publish a list of potential bad guys like we do the registered sex offenders, so citizens can keep eyes on them. Without that you have no idea that your neighbor is on the terror watch or no fly list. You don't know they are on psycho drugs, violent with restraining orders. They should not be allowed to have guns & we should know about it.

We are fortunate enough to be free, not repeatedly searched or asked for papers & not deported without due process. We don't need to allow this scum to drive, fly, or have high capacity weapons, explosives, hazardous materials or armor.

The difference is that registered sex offenders have had a fair trail, convicted and sentenced to prison. We don't put those people on the list because they were once suspected of something.

Your 100,000 figure is misleading:

Nearly two-thirds (62 percent) of firearm deaths in the U.S. are suicides.

Of the 169,395 firearm deaths in the US from 2011 to 2015 (the most recent five years of data available), 105,183 (or 62 percent) were suicides. To calculate this total, Everytown relies on CDC data regarding fatal injury by intent.3


So just using homicides alone, there were about 170,000 in five years; most of them suicides.

So what a few people can't have a gun. I have to rewire every rental house for GFCI because it might save 20 lives nation wide. Ask me if I give a shit about infringing a tiny bit on their rights.


Wow that's hard, add a few breakers or receptacles, cry me a river.


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It's a lie, no one adjudicated mentally ill is eligible to buy fire arms, you do know what adjudicated means, right?


Nitwit, did you actually read the article? probably not, so for others let me post what the article states:

In February 2017, Trump signed a bill that undid a regulation from Barack Obama’s presidency which said the Social Security Administration would have to report certain mentally ill recipients and people deemed unfit to handle their own financial affairs to the national background check database...The Obama Administration said the rule would have added 75,000 names to the database.

The rule would only “impact a person if he or she has been determined to be so severely impaired by a mental condition that he or she is unable to manage his or her own benefits, in which case, he or she is already prohibited from purchasing or possessing guns,” Lindsay Nichols, senior attorney at the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence, said in congressional testimony in February. “The new rule will simply prevent this person from passing a gun purchaser background check only until after an evaluation of their specific capacity to take on the responsibilities of gun ownership.”

The National Rifle Association, on the other hand, cheered Trump rescinding the rule as a win for Second Amendment rights. Other supporters of Trump’s action, like Republican Sen. Chuck Grassley of Iowa, argued that the regulation infringed upon civil liberties and took away gun rights without due process of law.

In other words, someone who CANNOT handle financial affairs (like SS payments) is NOW allowed to handle any weapon he or she chooses because......well, because morons on the right want to sell more guns.
 
He pulled a gun on a tire thief & could claim armed robbery because thief used a tire iron to remove lug-nuts. That does not count as saving lives with a gun. Yes they may occasionally stop a crime, but the owner & cameras already caught the guy in the act.

Yeah guns may stop 500,000 crimes or perceived crimes a year, but they are not saving innocent from being shot or lives. We are not doing enough to keep guns from bad guys.

That's because there is nothing you can do to keep the bad guy from getting guns. It's been our point all along.

Unless we make it a death penalty crime, and carry the penalty out within six months, you're not going to deter a criminal with a few months in jail for having an illegal gun.

Just because we can't stop every single bad guy every time, we can sure do a ton better than allowing over 100,000 shootings a year. Publish a list of potential bad guys like we do the registered sex offenders, so citizens can keep eyes on them. Without that you have no idea that your neighbor is on the terror watch or no fly list. You don't know they are on psycho drugs, violent with restraining orders. They should not be allowed to have guns & we should know about it.

We are fortunate enough to be free, not repeatedly searched or asked for papers & not deported without due process. We don't need to allow this scum to drive, fly, or have high capacity weapons, explosives, hazardous materials or armor.

The difference is that registered sex offenders have had a fair trail, convicted and sentenced to prison. We don't put those people on the list because they were once suspected of something.

Your 100,000 figure is misleading:

Nearly two-thirds (62 percent) of firearm deaths in the U.S. are suicides.

Of the 169,395 firearm deaths in the US from 2011 to 2015 (the most recent five years of data available), 105,183 (or 62 percent) were suicides. To calculate this total, Everytown relies on CDC data regarding fatal injury by intent.3


So just using homicides alone, there were about 170,000 in five years; most of them suicides.

So what a few people can't have a gun. I have to rewire every rental house for GFCI because it might save 20 lives nation wide. Ask me if I give a shit about infringing a tiny bit on their rights.


Wow that's hard, add a few breakers or receptacles, cry me a river.

It's more than that to separate circuits through the house to code to prevent freezers from tripping off & lose all your food, heaters to keep pipes from freezing, sump pump to prevent flooding or well pump to prevent water system from filling with toxics.
 
It's a lie, no one adjudicated mentally ill is eligible to buy fire arms, you do know what adjudicated means, right?


Nitwit, did you actually read the article? probably not, so for others let me post what the article states:

In February 2017, Trump signed a bill that undid a regulation from Barack Obama’s presidency which said the Social Security Administration would have to report certain mentally ill recipients and people deemed unfit to handle their own financial affairs to the national background check database...The Obama Administration said the rule would have added 75,000 names to the database.

The rule would only “impact a person if he or she has been determined to be so severely impaired by a mental condition that he or she is unable to manage his or her own benefits, in which case, he or she is already prohibited from purchasing or possessing guns,” Lindsay Nichols, senior attorney at the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence, said in congressional testimony in February. “The new rule will simply prevent this person from passing a gun purchaser background check only until after an evaluation of their specific capacity to take on the responsibilities of gun ownership.”

The National Rifle Association, on the other hand, cheered Trump rescinding the rule as a win for Second Amendment rights. Other supporters of Trump’s action, like Republican Sen. Chuck Grassley of Iowa, argued that the regulation infringed upon civil liberties and took away gun rights without due process of law.

In other words, someone who CANNOT handle financial affairs (like SS payments) is NOW allowed to handle any weapon he or she chooses because......well, because morons on the right want to sell more guns.

Obviously you don't know the difference between effective policy and political games.

If an elderly person is so disabled not to be able to handle their affairs, chances are they are in a nursing home or being taken care of by family. Even Big Ears knew that we never had a problem with disabled SS people shooting other people. It was a dog and pony show to get people like you all worked up and keep bring up this useless legislation that was nothing more than a solution looking for a problem.
 
100,000 people are shot in the USA every year!

How many were shot by a good guy with a gun saving lives?

The only good guys / hero's are the the people saving more & more lives of gunshot victims thereby reducing the murder rate. Gee I wonder why medical cost keep rising?
Most are suicides. And 79% of suicides are white guys, mostly in Red States.
 
He pulled a gun on a tire thief & could claim armed robbery because thief used a tire iron to remove lug-nuts. That does not count as saving lives with a gun. Yes they may occasionally stop a crime, but the owner & cameras already caught the guy in the act.

Yeah guns may stop 500,000 crimes or perceived crimes a year, but they are not saving innocent from being shot or lives. We are not doing enough to keep guns from bad guys.

That's because there is nothing you can do to keep the bad guy from getting guns. It's been our point all along.

Unless we make it a death penalty crime, and carry the penalty out within six months, you're not going to deter a criminal with a few months in jail for having an illegal gun.

Just because we can't stop every single bad guy every time, we can sure do a ton better than allowing over 100,000 shootings a year. Publish a list of potential bad guys like we do the registered sex offenders, so citizens can keep eyes on them. Without that you have no idea that your neighbor is on the terror watch or no fly list. You don't know they are on psycho drugs, violent with restraining orders. They should not be allowed to have guns & we should know about it.

We are fortunate enough to be free, not repeatedly searched or asked for papers & not deported without due process. We don't need to allow this scum to drive, fly, or have high capacity weapons, explosives, hazardous materials or armor.

The difference is that registered sex offenders have had a fair trail, convicted and sentenced to prison. We don't put those people on the list because they were once suspected of something.

Your 100,000 figure is misleading:

Nearly two-thirds (62 percent) of firearm deaths in the U.S. are suicides.

Of the 169,395 firearm deaths in the US from 2011 to 2015 (the most recent five years of data available), 105,183 (or 62 percent) were suicides. To calculate this total, Everytown relies on CDC data regarding fatal injury by intent.3


So just using homicides alone, there were about 170,000 in five years; most of them suicides.

So what a few people can't have a gun. I have to rewire every rental house for GFCI because it might save 20 lives nation wide. Ask me if I give a shit about infringing a tiny bit on their rights.


Wow that's hard, add a few breakers or receptacles, cry me a river.


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The problem is those SOB"s keep breaking. I've installed some that were broken when I purchased them. Using extension cords for motorized tools sets them things off as well. They made me install them in my garages.

Here they are forcing us to install CO2 detectors. Those things will go off for no reason when they break.
 
The problem is those SOB"s keep breaking. I've installed some that were broken when I purchased them. Using extension cords for motorized tools sets them things off as well. They made me install them in my garages.

Here they are forcing us to install CO2 detectors. Those things will go off for no reason when they break.


WOW, what a macho man.......LOL
 
The problem is those SOB"s keep breaking. I've installed some that were broken when I purchased them. Using extension cords for motorized tools sets them things off as well. They made me install them in my garages.

Here they are forcing us to install CO2 detectors. Those things will go off for no reason when they break.


WOW, what a macho man.......LOL

:confused-84::wtf:
 
It's a lie, no one adjudicated mentally ill is eligible to buy fire arms, you do know what adjudicated means, right?


Nitwit, did you actually read the article? probably not, so for others let me post what the article states:

In February 2017, Trump signed a bill that undid a regulation from Barack Obama’s presidency which said the Social Security Administration would have to report certain mentally ill recipients and people deemed unfit to handle their own financial affairs to the national background check database...The Obama Administration said the rule would have added 75,000 names to the database.

The rule would only “impact a person if he or she has been determined to be so severely impaired by a mental condition that he or she is unable to manage his or her own benefits, in which case, he or she is already prohibited from purchasing or possessing guns,” Lindsay Nichols, senior attorney at the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence, said in congressional testimony in February. “The new rule will simply prevent this person from passing a gun purchaser background check only until after an evaluation of their specific capacity to take on the responsibilities of gun ownership.”

The National Rifle Association, on the other hand, cheered Trump rescinding the rule as a win for Second Amendment rights. Other supporters of Trump’s action, like Republican Sen. Chuck Grassley of Iowa, argued that the regulation infringed upon civil liberties and took away gun rights without due process of law.

In other words, someone who CANNOT handle financial affairs (like SS payments) is NOW allowed to handle any weapon he or she chooses because......well, because morons on the right want to sell more guns.


Only judges, not bureaucrats have the ability to limit or remove rights under our Constitution. You might want to review the 5th and 14th Amendments. Grassley was completely correct. If you think someone is a danger to themselves or other you need to take it to court.


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Only judges, not bureaucrats have the ability to limit or remove rights under our Constitution. You might want to review the 5th and 14th Amendments. Grassley was completely correct.


The above has NOT stopped morons like you from constantly challenging Roe v. Wade, isn't that so???
 
Only judges, not bureaucrats have the ability to limit or remove rights under our Constitution. You might want to review the 5th and 14th Amendments. Grassley was completely correct.


The above has NOT stopped morons like you from constantly challenging Roe v. Wade, isn't that so???

OKTexas challenged Roe vs Wade? That's pretty impressive. How did the court rule???
 
That's because there is nothing you can do to keep the bad guy from getting guns. It's been our point all along.

Unless we make it a death penalty crime, and carry the penalty out within six months, you're not going to deter a criminal with a few months in jail for having an illegal gun.

Just because we can't stop every single bad guy every time, we can sure do a ton better than allowing over 100,000 shootings a year. Publish a list of potential bad guys like we do the registered sex offenders, so citizens can keep eyes on them. Without that you have no idea that your neighbor is on the terror watch or no fly list. You don't know they are on psycho drugs, violent with restraining orders. They should not be allowed to have guns & we should know about it.

We are fortunate enough to be free, not repeatedly searched or asked for papers & not deported without due process. We don't need to allow this scum to drive, fly, or have high capacity weapons, explosives, hazardous materials or armor.

The difference is that registered sex offenders have had a fair trail, convicted and sentenced to prison. We don't put those people on the list because they were once suspected of something.

Your 100,000 figure is misleading:

Nearly two-thirds (62 percent) of firearm deaths in the U.S. are suicides.

Of the 169,395 firearm deaths in the US from 2011 to 2015 (the most recent five years of data available), 105,183 (or 62 percent) were suicides. To calculate this total, Everytown relies on CDC data regarding fatal injury by intent.3


So just using homicides alone, there were about 170,000 in five years; most of them suicides.

So what a few people can't have a gun. I have to rewire every rental house for GFCI because it might save 20 lives nation wide. Ask me if I give a shit about infringing a tiny bit on their rights.


Wow that's hard, add a few breakers or receptacles, cry me a river.


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The problem is those SOB"s keep breaking. I've installed some that were broken when I purchased them. Using extension cords for motorized tools sets them things off as well. They made me install them in my garages.

Here they are forcing us to install CO2 detectors. Those things will go off for no reason when they break.


Never had that problem with extension cords and power tools. Unless it's change they are only required on receptacles within 6' of water or outdoors. Of course some localities come up with their own stupid shit.


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Only judges, not bureaucrats have the ability to limit or remove rights under our Constitution. You might want to review the 5th and 14th Amendments. Grassley was completely correct.


The above has NOT stopped morons like you from constantly challenging Roe v. Wade, isn't that so???


Deflection noted. Do try to stay on topic.


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