1,470 paid no taxes

[Sallow]

Bush was not a liberal.

Either Bush was not a liberal or Obama is a conservative but you might want to figure it out. They both have the same policies on every single issue sooooo.

there are some rare exceptions but basically, sadly, you're totally right about this.

No he's not.

However, no one's 100% Liberal or Conservatives. There are degrees. President Bush was very Conservative and in some cases very radical. The War on Iraq is a testament to that. Along with a number of other things, namely the tax cuts and defunding of regulatory agencies. But he was also very liberal in terms of race relations. Bush was very color blind in terms of people. To his credit, he did not demonize the Muslim religion after 9/11..quite the contrary.

Same goes for Obama. He's pretty liberal..he's just not radically left. He's a process oriented guy interested in reaching compromise. Unfortunately the people he wants to compromise with are radically right wing and hate his guts.

 

[Avorysuds]

One can be a multi fucking millionaire and yet not earn any new income over the course of a given tax year.

If one is in that position, then one will not owe any income tax.

Truthdon'tmattertoheratall is whining about rich people not paying ADDITIONAL tax on already-taxed accumulated wealth.

That's what I talked about... Like what if you play a pro sport and made 5 million last year but your contract is up and you're like "fuck it I'm just gonna hang out for a couple years." Well it's possible you're on TM's list!

 

[Full-Auto]

your job is apparently to make things up, gunboy. i don't get how you cons manage to get paid for that.

I love playing rope a dope. How much additional rope would you like.

Before you continue with your dumbass ways you just might want to visit the IRS website.

Just sayin FOOL

here's what i came up with.

Why Some Tax Units Pay No Income Tax

about half of the people who don't pay income tax do so because they're poor (that's 25% of americans, which to me seems like a lot) and the other half because of exemptions essentially courtesy of the bush tax cuts. apparently a married couple with 50K of income and two dependents might be able to game their return so as not to pay income taxes. (of course, cons never bring up that that family still has to pay sales taxes, payroll taxes, and a whole host of other taxes.)

in any case, i'm still not clear what your solution is, gunboy. do we need to make that family making 50K pay more taxes so the rich can continue to get out of THEIR fair share?

Heres a bit more rope. Tie the noose tightly now.

TPC Tax Topics | Who Doesn't Pay Federal Taxes?

 

[NYcarbineer]

What's more pathetic than rich people whining about all the risk they're taking?

i'll tell you what: non-rich people whining about the risk the rich are taking, which i'll bet you nine out of ten cons on this board are non-rich. there's this weird thing with them to claim that they're millionaire business owners when they're really just working stiffs like the rest of us. it's very odd. i don't know why they do it. but on the internet you can claim anything about yourself, of course.

What's riskier than taking on tens of thousands of dollars in college loans on the chance that you might one day be able to afford to pay them back,

all for the sake of getting a halfway decent job in the future?

 

[hboats]

your job is apparently to make things up, gunboy. i don't get how you cons manage to get paid for that.

I love playing rope a dope. How much additional rope would you like.

Before you continue with your dumbass ways you just might want to visit the IRS website.

Just sayin FOOL

here's what i came up with.

Why Some Tax Units Pay No Income Tax

about half of the people who don't pay income tax do so because they're poor (that's 25% of americans, which to me seems like a lot) and the other half because of exemptions essentially courtesy of the bush tax cuts. apparently a married couple with 50K of income and two dependents might be able to game their return so as not to pay income taxes. (of course, cons never bring up that that family still has to pay sales taxes, payroll taxes, and a whole host of other taxes.)

in any case, i'm still not clear what your solution is, gunboy. do we need to make that family making 50K pay more taxes so the rich can continue to get out of THEIR fair share?

You like to ignore facts, don't you? A post earlier in this thread showed that the rich are not only paying their fair share, but they are paying well over their fair share of taxes, yet you refuse to see that.

Here's a question for you, how much is their fair share? 50% of what they make? 75%? How about you just tell us how much you expect them to keep of THEIR OWN money and we'll just have the government confiscate the rest? Would that make you happy?

Oh, and even if the rich paid what you consider their fair share we'd still have a deficit. You see, when you spend more than you could ever possibly take in you're never going to get out of the hole.

Rick

 

[highway234]

Either Bush was not a liberal or Obama is a conservative but you might want to figure it out. They both have the same policies on every single issue sooooo.

there are some rare exceptions but basically, sadly, you're totally right about this.

No he's not.

However, no one's 100% Liberal or Conservatives. There are degrees. President Bush was very Conservative and in some cases very radical. The War on Iraq is a testament to that. Along with a number of other things, namely the tax cuts and defunding of regulatory agencies. But he was also very liberal in terms of race relations. Bush was very color blind in terms of people. To his credit, he did not demonize the Muslim religion after 9/11..quite the contrary.

Same goes for Obama. He's pretty liberal..he's just not radically left. He's a process oriented guy interested in reaching compromise. Unfortunately the people he wants to compromise with are radically right wing and hate his guts.

well, i suppose there's a difference between creating the policies and simply perpetuating, but you really haven't talked about an actual difference between bush and obama. i mean we can talk about liberal-conservative and have fun trying to turn the terms into bludgeons but the fact is, their policies don't differ. if you consider ron paul conservative, then bush is an uber-liberal. if you consider amy goodman a liberal, then obama is totally establishment conservative. but the fact is their policies are very similar. or, to be more accurate, obama hasn't changed bush's policies, except in some marginal ways. (i mean props for obama for credit card reform and subsidized birth control, but that sure doesn't make him a keynesian.)

 

[Avorysuds]

~

 

[Lonestar_logic]

IRS: 1,470 millionaires paid no income tax in '09 - On Deadline - USATODAY.com


That merans they are not helping their country at a time of need.

What kind of American doesnt help their country in a time of great need?

47 percent of Americans pay no income tax. Do you think that's fair?

That's a direct result of Republican tax policy that I'm guessing you wholeheartedly supported.

Prove it.

 

[Jarhead]

your job is apparently to make things up, gunboy. i don't get how you cons manage to get paid for that.

I love playing rope a dope. How much additional rope would you like.

Before you continue with your dumbass ways you just might want to visit the IRS website.

Just sayin FOOL

here's what i came up with.

Why Some Tax Units Pay No Income Tax

about half of the people who don't pay income tax do so because they're poor (that's 25% of americans, which to me seems like a lot) and the other half because of exemptions essentially courtesy of the bush tax cuts. apparently a married couple with 50K of income and two dependents might be able to game their return so as not to pay income taxes. (of course, cons never bring up that that family still has to pay sales taxes, payroll taxes, and a whole host of other taxes.)

in any case, i'm still not clear what your solution is, gunboy. do we need to make that family making 50K pay more taxes so the rich can continue to get out of THEIR fair share?

Let me show you how it works.

Family of four earns 100K
Middle class.

Tax liability.....35,000

Moprtgage payment.....3000 per month...includes 800 per month real estate tax and it is a new 30 year mortgage, so about 1800 of it is interest....that is 31,000 a year

Each kid is 2000 ....total 4000....

they each put 2000 in IRA....another 4000

They donate 5000 to charities

So now they have about 45,000 in exemptions...

So their taxable income is 55K....with tax at about 17K tax liability

Now what good comes out of it?

People are more likely to buy a home as it will not be much more than to rent after the deduction.
They hire landscapers
Contractors
repairmen

People donate money to charities

People tend to save foir their retirment

That is an example of how it works.....

 

[Avorysuds]

Sooooo, having 100%, that means the same policies, all of the time makes Bush very conservative and Obama Liberal but not ultra liberal?????????????????????

Wait, Bush was not always ultra conservative because he was color blind to people skin but was Mr. Conservative because of the wars... The wars Obama expanded and wars Obama started (Libya/Pakistan). Interesting, like I said... the same fucking policies but some think Obama is better.

Talking different than Bush but literally doing the same thing as Bush does not make Bush Mega conservative and Obama a moderate, it makes them the same.

Afghanistan
Iraq
Homeland security
Torture
Bailouts
Secret Prisons
War powers still being used
Bush era tax cuts now being Obama era tax cuts
Immigration

and so much more... Not a single one of what I listed has been repealed by Obama, in fact much of it was expanded. Iraq is following Bush's timetable meaning Obama won’t be ending the war Bush will, Obama just didn't extend it.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

IRS: 1,470 millionaires paid no income tax in '09 - On Deadline - USATODAY.com


That merans they are not helping their country at a time of need.

What kind of American doesnt help their country in a time of great need?

I don't know about them, but I am certainly not on board with helping my government blow my money and everyone else's on bullshit waste. If these people were able to legally utilize lawful tax laws to avoid paying income tax then more power to them. I take every deduction I am legally entitled to also. There is a difference, by the way, between helping your country and helping the government.

And if you want to help so much, please, be my guest. How much do you intend to donate?

Gifts to the United States Government: Questions and Answers: Financial Management Service

 

[highway234]

I love playing rope a dope. How much additional rope would you like.

Before you continue with your dumbass ways you just might want to visit the IRS website.

Just sayin FOOL

here's what i came up with.

Why Some Tax Units Pay No Income Tax

about half of the people who don't pay income tax do so because they're poor (that's 25% of americans, which to me seems like a lot) and the other half because of exemptions essentially courtesy of the bush tax cuts. apparently a married couple with 50K of income and two dependents might be able to game their return so as not to pay income taxes. (of course, cons never bring up that that family still has to pay sales taxes, payroll taxes, and a whole host of other taxes.)

in any case, i'm still not clear what your solution is, gunboy. do we need to make that family making 50K pay more taxes so the rich can continue to get out of THEIR fair share?

You like to ignore facts, don't you? A post earlier in this thread showed that the rich are not only paying their fair share, but they are paying well over their fair share of taxes, yet you refuse to see that.

the rich have always paid proportionately somewhat more than what would be the case in a flat tax scenario, that's been true since the income tax was created. the reason why is because if you tax the poor as much as you tax the rich, the poor experience food insecurity, are evicted from their homes, etc. if you tax the rich, a yacht goes a year without a new paint job. it's called a progressive income tax, and it's been the norm since the income tax was created. now, if you want to overturn that, that's fine, but understand that would be a very radical thing to do that overturns about a century of precedent.

[Here's a question for you, how much is their fair share? 50% of what they make? 75%? How about you just tell us how much you expect them to keep of THEIR OWN money and we'll just have the government confiscate the rest? Would that make you happy?

the clinton levels seemed pretty good to me. my rule of thumb is, let's go back to the last boom economy, find out what people were paying then, and start with that.

Oh, and even if the rich paid what you consider their fair share we'd still have a deficit. You see, when you spend more than you could ever possibly take in you're never going to get out of the hole.

Rick

right, well, when you're fighting two unfunded wars in the middle of a recession you're going to have a deficit no matter what, yeah, that's true.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

You're saying 47 percent of American are poor?

i opened up last year's 1040 instructions and you start paying income tax at 5 grand of income. standard deduction is 5,500. now obviously with marriage exemptions etc. results may vary, but if you're making anywhere in the vicinity of 10 grand a year, yeah, i'd say poor is the word. as to whether 47 percent of the people in america are making only around that much, i only hear this 47 percent figure from cons, who lie as easily as they tell the truth, so i dunno. i have to take the cons' word for it. but since we've shifted from manufacturing to a service-based economy and decimated the unions, and service jobs tend to pay around 10 bucks an hour, give or take, yeah, maybe you're right. maybe 47 percent of the country IS poor. but when you say 47 percent of the country pays no income tax, YOU'RE saying almost half the country is poor. that's what YOUR con ass is saying, not me.

You sure do a lot of guessing.

Annual median equivalised disposable household income in the US is $31,000. Hardly poor.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

These people make enough in one year to support themselves for the rest of their lives.

The people you are cutting services for barely make it at all.

The heart of the current right wing voter is a heart of cold dead stone

You obviously have never known wealth. Those of us that are worth millions take all the risk and have many people depending on us for their livelihood. If we were to go broke, then hundreds if not thousands of employees and their families would suffer.

Stop looking at life like a welfare queen.

Risk indeed. All most wealthy people ever 'risk' financially is money they can afford to risk. What's the risk of starting a family, buying a house, etc., for a couple on middle income wages working jobs that might disappear any minute?

What's more pathetic than rich people whining about all the risk they're taking?

Spoken like someone who has never had any wealth and has no idea what it takes to run a business.

Business owners run risk every single day.

 

[highway234]

I love playing rope a dope. How much additional rope would you like.

Before you continue with your dumbass ways you just might want to visit the IRS website.

Just sayin FOOL

here's what i came up with.

Why Some Tax Units Pay No Income Tax

about half of the people who don't pay income tax do so because they're poor (that's 25% of americans, which to me seems like a lot) and the other half because of exemptions essentially courtesy of the bush tax cuts. apparently a married couple with 50K of income and two dependents might be able to game their return so as not to pay income taxes. (of course, cons never bring up that that family still has to pay sales taxes, payroll taxes, and a whole host of other taxes.)

in any case, i'm still not clear what your solution is, gunboy. do we need to make that family making 50K pay more taxes so the rich can continue to get out of THEIR fair share?

Let me show you how it works.

Family of four earns 100K
Middle class.

Tax liability.....35,000

Moprtgage payment.....3000 per month...includes 800 per month real estate tax and it is a new 30 year mortgage, so about 1800 of it is interest....that is 31,000 a year

Each kid is 2000 ....total 4000....

they each put 2000 in IRA....another 4000

They donate 5000 to charities

So now they have about 45,000 in exemptions...

So their taxable income is 55K....with tax at about 17K tax liability

Now what good comes out of it?

People are more likely to buy a home as it will not be much more than to rent after the deduction.
They hire landscapers
Contractors
repairmen

People donate money to charities

People tend to save foir their retirment

That is an example of how it works.....

i'm confused. weren't we talking about people who don't pay income taxes, and now you're talking about people who do? what's your point? i get that when people buy houses it creates jobs, but so what?

 

[BoycottTheday]

Bush was not a liberal.

Socialist lite™, look at what he did with the siZe of gooberment then get back to me.

Moderate Republicans are 150% responsible for putting the Democrats in power.

And should all be booted out with the Dems they conspired with.

END OF STORY!

 

[Jarhead]

here's what i came up with.

Why Some Tax Units Pay No Income Tax

about half of the people who don't pay income tax do so because they're poor (that's 25% of americans, which to me seems like a lot) and the other half because of exemptions essentially courtesy of the bush tax cuts. apparently a married couple with 50K of income and two dependents might be able to game their return so as not to pay income taxes. (of course, cons never bring up that that family still has to pay sales taxes, payroll taxes, and a whole host of other taxes.)

in any case, i'm still not clear what your solution is, gunboy. do we need to make that family making 50K pay more taxes so the rich can continue to get out of THEIR fair share?

You like to ignore facts, don't you? A post earlier in this thread showed that the rich are not only paying their fair share, but they are paying well over their fair share of taxes, yet you refuse to see that.

the rich have always paid proportionately somewhat more than what would be the case in a flat tax scenario, that's been true since the income tax was created. the reason why is because if you tax the poor as much as you tax the rich, the poor experience food insecurity, are evicted from their homes, etc. if you tax the rich, a yacht goes a year without a new paint job. it's called a progressive income tax, and it's been the norm since the income tax was created. now, if you want to overturn that, that's fine, but understand that would be a very radical thing to do that overturns about a century of precedent.

[Here's a question for you, how much is their fair share? 50% of what they make? 75%? How about you just tell us how much you expect them to keep of THEIR OWN money and we'll just have the government confiscate the rest? Would that make you happy?

the clinton levels seemed pretty good to me. my rule of thumb is, let's go back to the last boom economy, find out what people were paying then, and start with that.

Oh, and even if the rich paid what you consider their fair share we'd still have a deficit. You see, when you spend more than you could ever possibly take in you're never going to get out of the hole.

Rick

right, well, when you're fighting two unfunded wars in the middle of a recession you're going to have a deficit no matter what, yeah, that's true.

if you want...sure...lets go back in time when the tax rates were higher...and tax loopholes and tax shelters were legal.

Sure...lets see what that does.

Probelm is...you are looking at straightforward numbers...not looking at the peripheral numbers as well.

Look...whatever....you are repeating talking points offered to you by your congrsspeople......yet what you are not aware of is that they only giuve you facts and figures that support their agenda...they dont give you the whole story.

What is it like to support a group of people that play on your gullibility?

It must be disillusioning.

 

[Avatar4321]

Well then the solution is simple. A flat tax with no loopholes. That way everyone pays the same percentage of their salaries. If everyone is paying, no one can get away paying nothing.

 

[highway234]

You're saying 47 percent of American are poor?

i opened up last year's 1040 instructions and you start paying income tax at 5 grand of income. standard deduction is 5,500. now obviously with marriage exemptions etc. results may vary, but if you're making anywhere in the vicinity of 10 grand a year, yeah, i'd say poor is the word. as to whether 47 percent of the people in america are making only around that much, i only hear this 47 percent figure from cons, who lie as easily as they tell the truth, so i dunno. i have to take the cons' word for it. but since we've shifted from manufacturing to a service-based economy and decimated the unions, and service jobs tend to pay around 10 bucks an hour, give or take, yeah, maybe you're right. maybe 47 percent of the country IS poor. but when you say 47 percent of the country pays no income tax, YOU'RE saying almost half the country is poor. that's what YOUR con ass is saying, not me.

You sure do a lot of guessing.

Annual median equivalised disposable household income in the US is $31,000. Hardly poor.

i don't know what YOU make, but for someone living in a place with a high cost of living and is trying to raise kids and save for retirement, yeah, that sounds pretty poor to me. obviously not homeless poor, but you're not sitting pretty at 31K, not by a long shot.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

What's more pathetic than rich people whining about all the risk they're taking?

i'll tell you what: non-rich people whining about the risk the rich are taking, which i'll bet you nine out of ten cons on this board are non-rich. there's this weird thing with them to claim that they're millionaire business owners when they're really just working stiffs like the rest of us. it's very odd. i don't know why they do it. but on the internet you can claim anything about yourself, of course.

I doubt anyone cares what you believe or don't believe. The facts are the facts, something you idiots on the left have a hard time admitting.