1/3rd of Women in US Military Raped, 90 Percent Reported Sexual Harassment

[woodjack]

Bullshit?

-TSO

I was a Leader. A Section head, a Maintenance Chief, A Company Gunny and ran Enlisted and Officer single Housing for a year. And NEVER once did any female ever come to me and tell me they were sexually assaulted. I was an Instructor on an Army Base for 4 years where for a while I was in charge of the Troop Barracks that is the only time anyone ever came to me with a sexual Harassment complaint. I got her in touch with the right people though I doubt it went far since she had all kind of discipline problems and was accusing the guy that had my job before me. The one that had to write all her idiotic problems up. That was also where I knew the other Army female that claimed harassment ohh and also racism. Of course her problem was complicated by the fact she was claiming the Instructor was racist against orientals and his wife was oriental.

I knew who she was because we got instructed to NEVER be in a room alone with her. She tried to corner me once. I got up and went into the hallway to have our discussion.

RGS, there probably are some false claims and maybe hopefuls looking to get out or even just transferred. But there are probably plenty of abuses that go on that they just don't want to talk about and are trying hard to forget happened...or maybe planning their own revenge, and I bet some got it.

How stupid is that, to rape a woman who you know is going to have a gun in your presence possibly in places a little isolated...

oh I think you misunderstand Jent, most women in the military do not carry guns and none are allowed to be grunts in the field. their are some exceptions, guns for convoy duty or the women in the MP/SP or whatever police is called for the specific branch. most women in the military fall under hospital/clerical professions and are not on the frontlines so to speak. I do agree with you that women should not be allowed on the frontline co-ed with the troops. and as far as I know that is not being changed.

I had to pull TCN duty once and their were women doing that as well, but they were useless, they were not allowed to do anything alone with the TCN, where I was and had to train/ follow them alone, so they would team me up with a women on occasion and it was pointless in that you had to have extra people to do the job of one person, but it was nice for my morale I guess. other then that why bother.

 

[Dis]

Well, I've never seen a woman be able to get out of the military over harassment or rape, Dis. So, I'd say "none."

How many women in the Military do you know? Of those, how many claimed rape, or sexual harassment, had their claim investigated, found to be true, and were made to stay in the Military and finish their term?

Would that be "none"?

Um, I've been an Admin officer and a Legal officer. I think I know a little about what can qualify someone for an Admin Discharge. And you?

Given the way you talk here, color me skeptical...

 

[bodecea]

How many women in the Military do you know? Of those, how many claimed rape, or sexual harassment, had their claim investigated, found to be true, and were made to stay in the Military and finish their term?

Would that be "none"?

Um, I've been an Admin officer and a Legal officer. I think I know a little about what can qualify someone for an Admin Discharge. And you?

Given the way you talk here, color me skeptical...

Feel free to...but you could also google the BUPERS Manual and find out the reasons people can have for being administratively discharged. Being a victim of a crime is NOT one of them.

 

[bodecea]

How many women in the Military do you know? Of those, how many claimed rape, or sexual harassment, had their claim investigated, found to be true, and were made to stay in the Military and finish their term?

Would that be "none"?

Um, I've been an Admin officer and a Legal officer. I think I know a little about what can qualify someone for an Admin Discharge. And you?

Given the way you talk here, color me skeptical...

Coming back to this.....what exactly do you mean by "given the way I talk here"?

 

[geauxtohell]

I've always said women don't belong in the military for a TON of reasons. A lot of men argue with that but I don't care, police, firemen, troops...If I call the police because my house is being broken into by a huge thug and a woman shows up, I'm gonna be ticked off. I can shoot straight too, what I need is that aggressive male mind to take control of the situation with the shoulders to back it up. Same thing on the battleground. And I don't think the scent of Chanel #5 in a life or death situation is going to help matters.

This is not to say that any woman in the military is at fault. Far from it. But it's still a BAD PLAN. I've never been in the military but (forgive me if I'm wrong) but it seems like the military is geared toward football locker-room mentality...women probably wouldn't fare well there either

What if it were this woman?

Or any of a dozen of women that I worked with during my time in. I can think of a female MP in particular that was extremely impressive.

I would have rather have had her in my platoon than some of the "never done anything but play nintendo my whole life, joined the Army because I was bored, was rubber-stamped through basic, can't carry a pick through the jungle for shit, and am now the unit's problem" privates that I got. Most of them were good kids, but it took an enormous amount of time and effort to get them into the shape they needed to be in to not screw everything up.

That being said, I'd be lying if I said part of the reason I choose to branch infantry was that women weren't allowed in it. I just didn't want to deal with the hassle of a co-ed unit (meaning equal opportunity offenders of both sexes). Maybe that makes me sexist, but it is the truth.

 

[geauxtohell]

How many of these are likely false reports in an attempt for the woman to get out of the military, because she wasn't aware it was going to be "so hard"?

I would venture to guess 0%, as "being raped" is not a ticket out of the military.

You should go back and check out the NPR link I posted where it talks about what happened to the women who did report the incident.

 

[Gunny]

1/3rd of Women in US Military Raped | NEWS JUNKIE POST

According to NPR, “In 2003, a survey of female veterans found that 30 percent said they were raped in the military. A 2004 study of veterans who were seeking help for post-traumatic stress disorder found that 71 percent of the women said they were sexually assaulted or raped while serving. And a 1995 study of female veterans of the Gulf and earlier wars, found that 90 percent had been sexually harassed.”

The BBC recently reported on The Lonely Soldier: The Private War of Women Serving in Iraq by Helen Benedict. This book examines the extreme difficulties female soldiers have in serving abroad. Benedict interviewed several women in the military to get a deeper understanding of the issue, and some of their stories were real eye openers.

Army specialist Chantelle Henneberry spoke of some of her experiences in Iraq, “Everybody’s supposed to have a battle buddy in the army, and females are supposed to have one to go to the latrines with, or to the showers – that’s so you don’t get raped by one of the men on your own side. But because I was the only female there, I didn’t have a battle buddy. My battle buddy was my gun and my knife.”

Another study concluded that 90% of all women serving are sexually harassed. Another one estimates that 90% of all the rapes do not get reported, despite supposedly easier ways to report the crime with confidentiality since 2005. Either way, this appears to be an epidemic that needs to be dealt with.

Thoughts?

Bullshit.

 

[CMike]

1/3rd of Women in US Military Raped | NEWS JUNKIE POST

According to NPR, “In 2003, a survey of female veterans found that 30 percent said they were raped in the military. A 2004 study of veterans who were seeking help for post-traumatic stress disorder found that 71 percent of the women said they were sexually assaulted or raped while serving. And a 1995 study of female veterans of the Gulf and earlier wars, found that 90 percent had been sexually harassed.”

The BBC recently reported on The Lonely Soldier: The Private War of Women Serving in Iraq by Helen Benedict. This book examines the extreme difficulties female soldiers have in serving abroad. Benedict interviewed several women in the military to get a deeper understanding of the issue, and some of their stories were real eye openers.

Army specialist Chantelle Henneberry spoke of some of her experiences in Iraq, “Everybody’s supposed to have a battle buddy in the army, and females are supposed to have one to go to the latrines with, or to the showers – that’s so you don’t get raped by one of the men on your own side. But because I was the only female there, I didn’t have a battle buddy. My battle buddy was my gun and my knife.”

Another study concluded that 90% of all women serving are sexually harassed. Another one estimates that 90% of all the rapes do not get reported, despite supposedly easier ways to report the crime with confidentiality since 2005. Either way, this appears to be an epidemic that needs to be dealt with.

Thoughts?

Bullshit.

"News Junkies Post" is not what I called a credible web site.

Give the link to the actual studies and ONLY THEN should it be taken seriously.

 

[CMike]

Why are you all assuming that something from www.newsjunkiespost.com is true?

 

[geauxtohell]

I was a Leader. A Section head, a Maintenance Chief, A Company Gunny and ran Enlisted and Officer single Housing for a year. And NEVER once did any female ever come to me and tell me they were sexually assaulted. I was an Instructor on an Army Base for 4 years where for a while I was in charge of the Troop Barracks that is the only time anyone ever came to me with a sexual Harassment complaint. I got her in touch with the right people though I doubt it went far since she had all kind of discipline problems and was accusing the guy that had my job before me. The one that had to write all her idiotic problems up. That was also where I knew the other Army female that claimed harassment ohh and also racism. Of course her problem was complicated by the fact she was claiming the Instructor was racist against orientals and his wife was oriental.

I knew who she was because we got instructed to NEVER be in a room alone with her. She tried to corner me once. I got up and went into the hallway to have our discussion.

RGS, there probably are some false claims and maybe hopefuls looking to get out or even just transferred. But there are probably plenty of abuses that go on that they just don't want to talk about and are trying hard to forget happened...or maybe planning their own revenge, and I bet some got it.

How stupid is that, to rape a woman who you know is going to have a gun in your presence possibly in places a little isolated...

oh I think you misunderstand Jent, most women in the military do not carry guns and none are allowed to be grunts in the field. their are some exceptions, guns for convoy duty or the women in the MP/SP or whatever police is called for the specific branch. most women in the military fall under hospital/clerical professions and are not on the frontlines so to speak. I do agree with you that women should not be allowed on the frontline co-ed with the troops. and as far as I know that is not being changed.

I had to pull TCN duty once and their were women doing that as well, but they were useless, they were not allowed to do anything alone with the TCN, where I was and had to train/ follow them alone, so they would team me up with a women on occasion and it was pointless in that you had to have extra people to do the job of one person, but it was nice for my morale I guess. other then that why bother.

In the Army, women are currently only banned from infantry, armor/cav, and attack aviation. Women are allowed in Field Artillery now.

None of that really matters though, on the asymmetric battlefield, everyone outside of the wire is an infantryman, whether they want to be or not. When Jessica Lynch's supply convoy was shot up and her unit was over run, it was because their weapons were not properly maintained and they hadn't been trained in fire and manuever. It was a total failure of leadership. Simply flagging them as "logistics" didn't change the fact that they were a target on the battlefield.

Paradoxically, in some instances, it's safer in an infantry unit, because the insurgents will forgo attacking a unit they know will return fire and manuever on them in favor of a "softer" target.

That was my anecdotal experience, anyways.

 

[blu]

Funny I served 16 years in the Marine Corps and with women and NEVER once met one that claimed to be raped and only a couple that claimed to be harassed.

why would they confide in you?

 

[geauxtohell]

How many women in the Military do you know? Of those, how many claimed rape, or sexual harassment, had their claim investigated, found to be true, and were made to stay in the Military and finish their term?

Would that be "none"?

Um, I've been an Admin officer and a Legal officer. I think I know a little about what can qualify someone for an Admin Discharge. And you?

Given the way you talk here, color me skeptical...

She's right, Dis, whether you want to believe it or not. People are just discharged willy-nilly. There has to be a legal and/or procedural reason for it.

Being a victim of a crime is not one of them.

 

[blu]

Funny I served 16 years in the Marine Corps and with women and NEVER once met one that claimed to be raped and only a couple that claimed to be harassed.

Is that something you talk about in casual conversation? Or are you suggesting it doesn't happen?

I remember standing with another GI and he suddenly yelled out, pointing to a female GI that was coming out of the building across the street, "Hey, look at the tits on that bitch". I turned around and it was a girl I had gone bowling with and who went to the movies with me. She never talked to me again. I told the guy what an ass he was and he said, "Oh come on, she LIKED it". I asked him if he would like it if someone yelled that out to his sister or mother and he absolutely didn't see a connection.
So he thought he had given a girl a complement AND had no idea that was sexual harassment. I bet he's now a Republican. He talked with that accent.

As a direct troop leader I was the first person they would have come too. As a troop leader I would have heard of any complaints in the Command in Staff meetings.

nope. there would no reason to trust you to report it instead of getting them into shit for cuasing trouble like usually happens

 

[geauxtohell]

#1 Why would you assume I'm self loathing? I just know how men, some who already have questionable standards, placed on the battlefield fighting for their lives at times, having been psychologically conditioned to be hardened to emotions and sensitivies....it's just tipping the scale for disaster. Not excusing it, just sayin you throw women in there and its just foolish IMO, and women pay the price.

We don't excuse it if a "psychologically hardened" man snaps and shoots a fellow soldier or innocent civilians.

Why is this any different? It is not.

And you are excusing it.

 

[CMike]

Military sexual harassment data released - Military- msnbc.com

WASHINGTON - One-third of women in the military and 6 percent of men said they were sexually harassed, according to the latest Pentagon survey on the issue.

The figure for women was worse than the previous finding several years ago but better than a similar survey taken in 1995, the Defense Department said in a report Friday. The Defense Manpower Data Center said it compiled the data from a survey of 24,000 people in 2006.

A separate report on

There were 2,688 sexual assaults reported last year by people in uniform, the figures showed. That was down about 9 percent from the 2,947 reported the year before

...The cases involved members of the military who were either victims or accused of the assaults. The military counts rape, nonconsensual sodomy, indecent assault and attempts to commit any of those as sexual assault....




...The Army had 2.6 reports per 1,000 soldiers; the Air Force's rate was 1.6 reports per 1,000; the Marines' rate was 1.1 per 1,000; and the Navy's rate was 1 per 1,000 sailors. The average was 1.8 sexual assaults reported per 1,000 military members.

 

[Gunny]

Funny I served 16 years in the Marine Corps and with women and NEVER once met one that claimed to be raped and only a couple that claimed to be harassed.

why would they confide in you?

Idiot. Most of them were as sexual predatory as ANY man. Confide in him? WTF do YOU know?

Guess what ... getting pregnant is an easy out in every branch. You do the math, fuckwit.

 

[geauxtohell]

Funny I served 16 years in the Marine Corps and with women and NEVER once met one that claimed to be raped and only a couple that claimed to be harassed.

why would they confide in you?

Idiot. Most of them were as sexual predatory as ANY man. Confide in him? WTF do YOU know?

Guess what ... getting pregnant is an easy out in every branch. You do the math, fuckwit.

Getting pregnant and getting raped are two totally different things, and I have my doubts that women who choose to malinger by getting knocked up (which I fully admit happens) later claim rape.

They don't need too.

They know the DOD will never prosecute them.

 

[CMike]

The number of sexual assaults in the military is VERY low.

 

[TheSuaveOne]

Military sexual harassment data released - Military- msnbc.com

WASHINGTON - One-third of women in the military and 6 percent of men said they were sexually harassed, according to the latest Pentagon survey on the issue.

ROFL, from the first report that 71% were sexually harassed (or at least made the claim they were) down to 33%. Something ain't right.

I'm also curious about the claim of 6% of men claimed to be sexually harassed. Really?

-TSO

 

[Xenophon]

Funny I served 16 years in the Marine Corps and with women and NEVER once met one that claimed to be raped and only a couple that claimed to be harassed.

why would they confide in you?

Idiot. Most of them were as sexual predatory as ANY man. Confide in him? WTF do YOU know?

Guess what ... getting pregnant is an easy out in every branch. You do the math, fuckwit.

Its interesting you brought this up, a study of the first Gulf war showed that nearly 30% of deployed army women became pregnant and opted out of teh combat zone in the period leading up to Desert Stom (when it was still desert shield).

About this OP story, its obvious the numbers are rediculously overblown, most likely to draw attention to woman being harrassed and and attacked in military service.