09/11 Commission RETRACTS Previous Report : Based On Government Lies

[LA RAM FAN]

One "counsel" to the fucking commission is NOT "the Commission," first of all.

One counsel to the Commission is telling a story. That "story" was DIRECTED at the intended audience. It will "sell" to its target audience.

The Lew Rockwell "report" is misleading even before you get to the piece itself. The "headline" is flatly false.

Zzz.

I can't imagine that anyone was expecting anything else from "reportage" from the likes of Lew Rockwell.

lairabilty talks out his ass..he has not a clue what the rest of the commisons opinions are on the 9/11 commison report..and he has never even read the 9/11 commison report...he isnt even well versed on the Busk/chenney story he supports

9/11: Our Truth, and Theirs

We are asked to believe that 19 men, armed with the most basic weapons, somehow managed to elude the biggest, most expensively-accoutered intelligence apparatus in the world — and the intelligence agencies of our allies, to boot. Utilizing nothing but box-cutters and the knowledge gleaned from a few weeks at flight school, these supermen somehow managed to steer those planes into two of the most visible potential terrorist targets in the US, one of which had been successfully targeted by terrorists before. They did this with no help from any foreign intelligence agency, no nation-state in on the plot, and they did it for less than $100,000.

Really?


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I know.its hysterical how people are so much in denial that our government would do anything like this-"even though they have a proven history of other government autrocities against their own people" that they will eat up those incredible tales of the governments no matter HOW ludicrous and absurd it is.

Funny how they eat it up even though the previous year before 9/11 there were 67 cases where NORAD scrambled fighters to intercept planes off course or the fact that the pentagon is the most highly sophisticated air defense system in the world yet somehow these 19 highjackers getting info from a hermit in the caves of afghanistan pulled this heist off.I love it that they could possibly buy into all of this propaganda.Thats how their logic is though,that if the government and mainstream media said it hapened this way,it did.

 

[Shorebreak]

I know.its hysterical how people are so much in denial that our government would do anything like this-"even though they have a proven history of other government autrocities against their own people" that they will eat up those incredible tales of the governments no matter HOW ludicrous and absurd it is.

Funny how they eat it up even though the previous year before 9/11 there were 67 cases where NORAD scrambled fighters to intercept planes off course or the fact that the pentagon is the most highly sophisticated air defense system in the world yet somehow these 19 highjackers getting info from a hermit in the caves of afghanistan pulled this heist off.I love it that they could possibly buy into all of this propaganda.Thats how their logic is though,that if the government and mainstream media said it hapened this way,it did.

Your facts are exhibit "A" in a case to dislpay your lunacy. I'll explain:

First of all, the fact that NORAD was 100% successful in responding to all air events that required a fighter intercept in the 12 months prior to 9/11 does not justify raising an eyebrow when they failed 3 times on September 11, 2001. When a precision team is well oiled, highly trained, and 100% effective for years, the fact that they completely fell on their face on 9/11 simply means "Oh well - you can't win 'em all. Now let's hand out some awards and promotions." If you question THAT, you are obviously with the terrorists.

Second, you're implying that the 9/11 hijackers were cave-dwelling hermits, when the evidence found by the media and by military anti-terrorist organizations determined that nearly half of the hijackers had US military training, or were under security surveillance in the months and weeks before the attacks. Since our security services were well aware of these folks, our security couldn't have been involved. We know that US security forces have never been compromised and could never be influenced, bribed, threatened, tricked, co-erced, blackmailed, rewarded, or otherwise influenced to contribute to an illegal activity, so we also know that no faction within our security system would EVER contribute to the 9/11 attacks, even if they had no idea that their actions would contribute to such an event. That kind of thing is impossible.

And most importantly, we know that folks like Dive Con are rational, introspective, alert, and informed observers who aren't driven by emotion, political ideology, or self-identity when analyzing events and circumstances. These individuals would NEVER formulate an opinion without objectively considering all available information and arriving at an independent, unbiased conclusion.

War games on 9/11 that simulated hijacked airliners on NORAD screens - with transponders turned off - were a mere coincidence. How do we know? We know because folks like Dive Con have the integrity to tell us with conviction that if we think otherwise, we are "troofers".

The first three steel building collapses in history as a result of fire on 9/11 were merely a coincidence. How do we know? We can turn to the integrity of folks like Dive Con, who have correctly analyzed the research and integrity of the government and weighed them against the findings of patriotic activists.

Even the fact that General Richard Meyers claims to have been unaware of the attacks until after they were over (Myers was Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff on 9/11) is an acceptable answer. Why? Again, we can turn to Dive Con and his unbiased opinions for our enlightenment.

Foreign citizens filming the FIRST impact and then cheering, who were arrested and then ordered released? It was nothing. A mistake. The fact that foreign co-workers of these arrested individuals were stopped when leaving Manhattan in a van that was flagged for explosives has no bearing. There is no connection between the stopped van, the cheering foreigners who filmed the first impact (who worked for the same company as the guys in the stopped van), and the three collapses in Manhattan. Those dots do not connect. How do we know? Dive Con has the integrity and insightfulness to tell us.

So I don't know how else to say it, but thanks Dive Con. You are a true American patriot. Honesty, truth, and integrity are all yours.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

I know.its hysterical how people are so much in denial that our government would do anything like this-"even though they have a proven history of other government autrocities against their own people" that they will eat up those incredible tales of the governments no matter HOW ludicrous and absurd it is.

Funny how they eat it up even though the previous year before 9/11 there were 67 cases where NORAD scrambled fighters to intercept planes off course or the fact that the pentagon is the most highly sophisticated air defense system in the world yet somehow these 19 highjackers getting info from a hermit in the caves of afghanistan pulled this heist off.I love it that they could possibly buy into all of this propaganda.Thats how their logic is though,that if the government and mainstream media said it hapened this way,it did.

Your facts are exhibit "A" in a case to dislpay your lunacy. I'll explain:

First of all, the fact that NORAD was 100% successful in responding to all air events that required a fighter intercept in the 12 months prior to 9/11 does not justify raising an eyebrow when they failed 3 times on September 11, 2001. When a precision team is well oiled, highly trained, and 100% effective for years, the fact that they completely fell on their face on 9/11 simply means "Oh well - you can't win 'em all. Now let's hand out some awards and promotions." If you question THAT, you are obviously with the terrorists.

Second, you're implying that the 9/11 hijackers were cave-dwelling hermits, when the evidence found by the media and by military anti-terrorist organizations determined that nearly half of the hijackers had US military training, or were under security surveillance in the months and weeks before the attacks. Since our security services were well aware of these folks, our security couldn't have been involved. We know that US security forces have never been compromised and could never be influenced, bribed, threatened, tricked, co-erced, blackmailed, rewarded, or otherwise influenced to contribute to an illegal activity, so we also know that no faction within our security system would EVER contribute to the 9/11 attacks, even if they had no idea that their actions would contribute to such an event. That kind of thing is impossible.

And most importantly, we know that folks like Dive Con are rational, introspective, alert, and informed observers who aren't driven by emotion, political ideology, or self-identity when analyzing events and circumstances. These individuals would NEVER formulate an opinion without objectively considering all available information and arriving at an independent, unbiased conclusion.

War games on 9/11 that simulated hijacked airliners on NORAD screens - with transponders turned off - were a mere coincidence. How do we know? We know because folks like Dive Con have the integrity to tell us with conviction that if we think otherwise, we are "troofers".

The first three steel building collapses in history as a result of fire on 9/11 were merely a coincidence. How do we know? We can turn to the integrity of folks like Dive Con, who have correctly analyzed the research and integrity of the government and weighed them against the findings of patriotic activists.

Even the fact that General Richard Meyers claims to have been unaware of the attacks until after they were over (Myers was Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff on 9/11) is an acceptable answer. Why? Again, we can turn to Dive Con and his unbiased opinions for our enlightenment.

Foreign citizens filming the FIRST impact and then cheering, who were arrested and then ordered released? It was nothing. A mistake. The fact that foreign co-workers of these arrested individuals were stopped when leaving Manhattan in a van that was flagged for explosives has no bearing. There is no connection between the stopped van, the cheering foreigners who filmed the first impact (who worked for the same company as the guys in the stopped van), and the three collapses in Manhattan. Those dots do not connect. How do we know? Dive Con has the integrity and insightfulness to tell us.

So I don't know how else to say it, but thanks Dive Con. You are a true American patriot. Honesty, truth, and integrity are all yours.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

If you believe that any of the above statements is true, you MUST agree that they were ALL untrue when 9/11 occured, and that they are always suspended in relation to 9/11 facts. Otherwise, you are a complete idiot, with no capacity for rational though, introspection, patriotism, compassion, analysis, relational logic, or normal human interaction. The official 9/11 story cannot be questioned, otherwise, we live in a controlled propagandized nation and our perceptions are probably all wrong.

Since we know that is not the case, we can state with logical accuracy that above statements that are typically true are suspended in the case of 9/11.

yeah like Chris said,great post.very well said.

 

[DiveCon]

looks like 9/11 rimjob has the clap

 

[DiveCon]

again

 

[LA RAM FAN]

I know.its hysterical how people are so much in denial that our government would do anything like this-"even though they have a proven history of other government autrocities against their own people" that they will eat up those incredible tales of the governments no matter HOW ludicrous and absurd it is.

Funny how they eat it up even though the previous year before 9/11 there were 67 cases where NORAD scrambled fighters to intercept planes off course or the fact that the pentagon is the most highly sophisticated air defense system in the world yet somehow these 19 highjackers getting info from a hermit in the caves of afghanistan pulled this heist off.I love it that they could possibly buy into all of this propaganda.Thats how their logic is though,that if the government and mainstream media said it hapened this way,it did.

Your facts are exhibit "A" in a case to dislpay your lunacy. I'll explain:

First of all, the fact that NORAD was 100% successful in responding to all air events that required a fighter intercept in the 12 months prior to 9/11 does not justify raising an eyebrow when they failed 3 times on September 11, 2001. When a precision team is well oiled, highly trained, and 100% effective for years, the fact that they completely fell on their face on 9/11 simply means "Oh well - you can't win 'em all. Now let's hand out some awards and promotions." If you question THAT, you are obviously with the terrorists.

Second, you're implying that the 9/11 hijackers were cave-dwelling hermits, when the evidence found by the media and by military anti-terrorist organizations determined that nearly half of the hijackers had US military training, or were under security surveillance in the months and weeks before the attacks. Since our security services were well aware of these folks, our security couldn't have been involved. We know that US security forces have never been compromised and could never be influenced, bribed, threatened, tricked, co-erced, blackmailed, rewarded, or otherwise influenced to contribute to an illegal activity, so we also know that no faction within our security system would EVER contribute to the 9/11 attacks, even if they had no idea that their actions would contribute to such an event. That kind of thing is impossible.

And most importantly, we know that folks like Dive Con are rational, introspective, alert, and informed observers who aren't driven by emotion, political ideology, or self-identity when analyzing events and circumstances. These individuals would NEVER formulate an opinion without objectively considering all available information and arriving at an independent, unbiased conclusion.

War games on 9/11 that simulated hijacked airliners on NORAD screens - with transponders turned off - were a mere coincidence. How do we know? We know because folks like Dive Con have the integrity to tell us with conviction that if we think otherwise, we are "troofers".

The first three steel building collapses in history as a result of fire on 9/11 were merely a coincidence. How do we know? We can turn to the integrity of folks like Dive Con, who have correctly analyzed the research and integrity of the government and weighed them against the findings of patriotic activists.

Even the fact that General Richard Meyers claims to have been unaware of the attacks until after they were over (Myers was Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff on 9/11) is an acceptable answer. Why? Again, we can turn to Dive Con and his unbiased opinions for our enlightenment.

Foreign citizens filming the FIRST impact and then cheering, who were arrested and then ordered released? It was nothing. A mistake. The fact that foreign co-workers of these arrested individuals were stopped when leaving Manhattan in a van that was flagged for explosives has no bearing. There is no connection between the stopped van, the cheering foreigners who filmed the first impact (who worked for the same company as the guys in the stopped van), and the three collapses in Manhattan. Those dots do not connect. How do we know? Dive Con has the integrity and insightfulness to tell us.

So I don't know how else to say it, but thanks Dive Con. You are a true American patriot. Honesty, truth, and integrity are all yours.

candy corns name should be included there at the bottom as well.

 

[DiveCon]

I know.its hysterical how people are so much in denial that our government would do anything like this-"even though they have a proven history of other government autrocities against their own people" that they will eat up those incredible tales of the governments no matter HOW ludicrous and absurd it is.

Funny how they eat it up even though the previous year before 9/11 there were 67 cases where NORAD scrambled fighters to intercept planes off course or the fact that the pentagon is the most highly sophisticated air defense system in the world yet somehow these 19 highjackers getting info from a hermit in the caves of afghanistan pulled this heist off.I love it that they could possibly buy into all of this propaganda.Thats how their logic is though,that if the government and mainstream media said it hapened this way,it did.

Your facts are exhibit "A" in a case to dislpay your lunacy. I'll explain:

First of all, the fact that NORAD was 100% successful in responding to all air events that required a fighter intercept in the 12 months prior to 9/11 does not justify raising an eyebrow when they failed 3 times on September 11, 2001. When a precision team is well oiled, highly trained, and 100% effective for years, the fact that they completely fell on their face on 9/11 simply means "Oh well - you can't win 'em all. Now let's hand out some awards and promotions." If you question THAT, you are obviously with the terrorists.

Second, you're implying that the 9/11 hijackers were cave-dwelling hermits, when the evidence found by the media and by military anti-terrorist organizations determined that nearly half of the hijackers had US military training, or were under security surveillance in the months and weeks before the attacks. Since our security services were well aware of these folks, our security couldn't have been involved. We know that US security forces have never been compromised and could never be influenced, bribed, threatened, tricked, co-erced, blackmailed, rewarded, or otherwise influenced to contribute to an illegal activity, so we also know that no faction within our security system would EVER contribute to the 9/11 attacks, even if they had no idea that their actions would contribute to such an event. That kind of thing is impossible.

And most importantly, we know that folks like Dive Con are rational, introspective, alert, and informed observers who aren't driven by emotion, political ideology, or self-identity when analyzing events and circumstances. These individuals would NEVER formulate an opinion without objectively considering all available information and arriving at an independent, unbiased conclusion.

War games on 9/11 that simulated hijacked airliners on NORAD screens - with transponders turned off - were a mere coincidence. How do we know? We know because folks like Dive Con have the integrity to tell us with conviction that if we think otherwise, we are "troofers".

The first three steel building collapses in history as a result of fire on 9/11 were merely a coincidence. How do we know? We can turn to the integrity of folks like Dive Con, who have correctly analyzed the research and integrity of the government and weighed them against the findings of patriotic activists.

Even the fact that General Richard Meyers claims to have been unaware of the attacks until after they were over (Myers was Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff on 9/11) is an acceptable answer. Why? Again, we can turn to Dive Con and his unbiased opinions for our enlightenment.

Foreign citizens filming the FIRST impact and then cheering, who were arrested and then ordered released? It was nothing. A mistake. The fact that foreign co-workers of these arrested individuals were stopped when leaving Manhattan in a van that was flagged for explosives has no bearing. There is no connection between the stopped van, the cheering foreigners who filmed the first impact (who worked for the same company as the guys in the stopped van), and the three collapses in Manhattan. Those dots do not connect. How do we know? Dive Con has the integrity and insightfulness to tell us.

So I don't know how else to say it, but thanks Dive Con. You are a true American patriot. Honesty, truth, and integrity are all yours.

candy corns name should be included there at the bottom as well.

shorebreak and you are both total fucking morons that believe everything Alex Jones spews

 

[Shorebreak]

shorebreak and you are both total fucking morons that believe everything Alex Jones spews

Nope.

But I guess I can't argue with genius and integrity. Instead of filling my head with useless propaganda, maybe I should start listening to "honest" people. Like Sean Hannity. Or perhaps Glenn Beck. They're smart enough to know that when thousands of Americans are killed, the folks who dropped the ball get promotions.

I guess the real truth is that if I would simply place more trust in CNN, FOX, CBS, and the government, I wouldn't have nearly as much to worry about. Or maybe I need some kind of psychotropic medication.

Dive Con, I'm beginning to see where you can actually help me. From your experience, can you tell me which meds work best so that I'll have complete and total faith in the government? Thanks.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

No Ditzcon,its just unlike you, were not in denial about every government conspiracy.according to YOUR logic,the 80% of americans that PBS talked about on their JFK special last november that promoted the other governments fairy tale that oswald killed kennedy,according to YOUR logic,those 80% of americans they mentioned who dont accept the governments version of events and agree with me that Oliver Stones movie JFK is far more closer to the truth than the fable warren commission that you worship,in YOUR logic you have,those people are morons.Gotcha.I love your logic.LOL.,even your fool buddy Toto doesnt accept the warren commissions version.LOL.

 

[Jay Canuck]

Former Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta answered questions from members of 9/11 Truth Seattle.org about his testimony before the 9/11 Commission report.
Mineta says Vice President Cheney was "absolutely" already there when he arrived at approximately 9:25 a.m. in the PEOC (Presidential Emergency Operations Center) bunker on the morning of 9/11. Mineta seemed shocked to learn that the 9/11 Commission Report claimed Cheney had not arrived there until 9:58-- after the Pentagon had been hit, a report that Mineta definitively contradicted.
Norman Mineta revealed that Lynn Cheney was also in the PEOC bunker already at the time of his arrival, along with a number of other staff.​

​

Mineta is on video testifying before the 9/11 Commission , though it was omitted from their final report. He told Lee Hamilton:​

"During the time that the airplane was coming into the Pentagon, there was a young man who would come in and say to the Vice President? the plane is 50 miles out? the plane is 30 miles out?.and when it got down to the plane is 10 miles out, the young man also said to the vice president ?do the orders still stand?? And the Vice President turned and whipped his neck around and said ? Of course the orders still stand, have you heard anything to the contrary!?"​

Mineta confirmed his statements with reporters, "When I overheard something about 'the orders still stand' and so, what I thought of was that they had already made the decision to shoot something down."
Mineta was still in the PEOG bunker when the plane was reported down in Shanksville, Pennsylvania.
"I remember later on when I heard about the Shanksville plane going down, the Vice President was right across from me, and I said, 'Do you think that we shot it down ourselves?' He said, 'I don't know.' He said, 'Let's find out.' So he had someone check with the Pentagon. That was about maybe, let's say 10:30 or so, and we never heard back from the DoD until probably about 12:30. And they said, 'No, we didn't do it.'"
The two hour time delay is suspicious given the Vice President's own account of the dedicated video communications available that morning, as he told it to Tim Russert of Meet the Press on September 16, 2001 .​

"We had access, secured communications with Air Force One, with the secretary of Defense over in the Pentagon. We had also the secure videoconference that ties together the White House, CIA, State, Justice, Defense--a very useful and valuable facility. We have the counterterrorism task force up on that net. And so I was in a position to be able to see all the stuff coming in, receive reports and then make decisions in terms of acting with it."​

At a bare minimum, this confirmation by Norman Mineta is in gross contradiction to the 9/11 Commission Report and poses serious questions about the Vice President's role in ordering NORAD to stand down on 9/11.
​

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Former Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta answered questions from members of 9/11 Truth Seattle.org about his testimony before the 9/11 Commission report.
Mineta says Vice President Cheney was "absolutely" already there when he arrived at approximately 9:25 a.m. in the PEOC (Presidential Emergency Operations Center) bunker on the morning of 9/11. Mineta seemed shocked to learn that the 9/11 Commission Report claimed Cheney had not arrived there until 9:58-- after the Pentagon had been hit, a report that Mineta definitively contradicted.
Norman Mineta revealed that Lynn Cheney was also in the PEOC bunker already at the time of his arrival, along with a number of other staff.​

​

Mineta is on video testifying before the 9/11 Commission , though it was omitted from their final report. He told Lee Hamilton:​

"During the time that the airplane was coming into the Pentagon, there was a young man who would come in and say to the Vice President? the plane is 50 miles out? the plane is 30 miles out?.and when it got down to the plane is 10 miles out, the young man also said to the vice president ?do the orders still stand?? And the Vice President turned and whipped his neck around and said ? Of course the orders still stand, have you heard anything to the contrary!?"​

Mineta confirmed his statements with reporters, "When I overheard something about 'the orders still stand' and so, what I thought of was that they had already made the decision to shoot something down."
Mineta was still in the PEOG bunker when the plane was reported down in Shanksville, Pennsylvania.
"I remember later on when I heard about the Shanksville plane going down, the Vice President was right across from me, and I said, 'Do you think that we shot it down ourselves?' He said, 'I don't know.' He said, 'Let's find out.' So he had someone check with the Pentagon. That was about maybe, let's say 10:30 or so, and we never heard back from the DoD until probably about 12:30. And they said, 'No, we didn't do it.'"
The two hour time delay is suspicious given the Vice President's own account of the dedicated video communications available that morning, as he told it to Tim Russert of Meet the Press on September 16, 2001 .​

"We had access, secured communications with Air Force One, with the secretary of Defense over in the Pentagon. We had also the secure videoconference that ties together the White House, CIA, State, Justice, Defense--a very useful and valuable facility. We have the counterterrorism task force up on that net. And so I was in a position to be able to see all the stuff coming in, receive reports and then make decisions in terms of acting with it."​

At a bare minimum, this confirmation by Norman Mineta is in gross contradiction to the 9/11 Commission Report and poses serious questions about the Vice President's role in ordering NORAD to stand down on 9/11.
​

stop it jay,your making wayyyyyyy too much sense for someone like CandyCorn and DiveCon to comprehend."rolls on floor laughing." also even the commanders at NORAD have said that Cheney gave them the orders to stand down that day.