Obama silent ahead of vote on Armenian genocide

The Associated Press: Obama silent ahead of vote on Armenian genocide

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Truth in history is a problem?

Has the House committee made a resolution for the genocide of the American Indian?

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I actually hope that this will pass.
Will be a great lesson for those thinking politics is regional/national politics always for the local communities.

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From France-24 Channel

Turkey : Backlash for French business- France24

Same will happen to US companies.


Also:
Turkey should pass a resolution through its own Parliament that ties the military-cooperation between both nations to Congress resolutions. Incirlik, Turkish ports, Turkish logistics and fly-over rights included.
Enough said.

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What I want to know is, what is the purpose of the vote? Does it make one bit of difference to anyone, anywhere whether a committee in the US House votes on whether something that happened almost a century ago was officially genocide?

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Comparison of the Holocaust to "Armenian Genocide".
In 3 Minutes by Bernard Lewis.


Lewis is a widely-read expert on the Middle East, and is regarded as one of the West’s leading scholars of that region.[2] His advice has been frequently sought by policymakers, including the former Bush administration.[3] In the Encyclopedia of Historians and Historical Writing Martin Kramer, whose Ph.D. thesis was directed by Lewis, considered that, over a 60-year career, he has emerged as "the most influential postwar historian of Islam and the Middle East."[1]
Bernard Lewis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Is this stupid shit gonna come up every GD year now?

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I'm not real sure it is the business of the US government to right every wrong that has been done in the world by other countries. Seems like we would be money ahead if we stayed at home and minded our own business and affairs and kept our noses out of places we don't belong. We can't even manage our own affairs. How laughable it is to think we can manage the affairs of other countries...

This year there has not come big noise out of Turkey.
So I am quiet hopefull that Turkey will not lobby against the resolution.
But this can change in the coming days/weeks and Turkey will be again threatening around.

When this resolution passes anyday in future, there will be counter-measures taken from Turkish State. Even such counter-measures that might seem irrational and to Turkey's disadvantage. If the street wants to hear Turkish Pop, government can't sing American Rock.

This touches the nation's pride and weakling behaviour of government will lead it to be replaced.
Maybe with some people like this:

Look from 50 second onwards. Opposition party leader throws gibbet rope on election campaign:

Will be quiet funny to watch how USA navigates through the region with angry Turks.

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I think we need to concentrate on today and not what happend before everyone living today was born.

Is that why congress is wanting to do this?

I agree us needs to check our own backyard really close the crap is getting really deep these days.


Ekrem, what does Turkish leadership now say about it? Does turkey consider that it was genocide? I believe most Americans have no doubt that with our former leaders from days past when the Indian massacres were committed it was genocide.

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1915 was a holocaust of the Armenians by the Turks. It is well documented that the Turks systematically destroyed the Armenians. Lewis is an idiot...

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What the hell needs to be voted on? It was genocide. Why anyone fails to recognize this is beyond me.

And of course he's keeping his yap shut on the vote, he already broke his campaign promise with regard to the issue.

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Of course it was genocide. But it's an issue for the historians, not government.

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According to the Zurich protocolls, which are protocolls that kick-start diplomatic relations between Armenia and Turkey, there will be established a "historical commission" to classify and investigate the events of 1915.

As stated by Turkish Prime Minister on Munich Security Conference, only the results of such a commission will be accepted by Turkey. Lobbying in foreign parliaments and classification of the events by politicians won't be accepted by Turkey.

4 Minutes speech with english subtitles:


The Zurich protocolls were sponsored by Switzerland, USA, Russia and EU.
Zurich protocolls were signed on October 2009 in Zurich, and have not been ratified yet by Armenian and Turkish parliament.
Here a video of the signing ceremony with Hillary Clinton attaining also:
Armenia Turkey Protocols Signed in Zurich - uZood Video

The driving force for Armenia for this is the prospect of trade with Turkey and being part in trans-caucasus infrastructure projects. Currently Armenian-Turkish borders are closed due to Armenia's occupation of Azerbaijan-Karabgh.

On the other side there is the Armenian Diaspora buying politicians for their cause:
Stop The Protocols Campaign | Normalization Without Preconditions

A side note... Armenia does not recognize the treaty of Kars between Soviets and Turkey.
Treaty of Kars defines current Turkish borders in Caucasus.
Soviets collapsed, and all independent states established in the Caucasus re-retified Kartrs-treaty. Only Armenia did not.

Treaty of Kars - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In Armenian constitution Mount Ararat of Turkey is classified national symbol of Armenia and Eastern Turkey is refered to as Western Armenia.
So the Armenian state "officially" has territorial claims on Turkey.

The Armenian Diaspora thinks that with "genocide resolutions" in foreign parliaments, there will be a climate to demand reparation pensions from Turkey and a "coalition of states" will free "Western Armenia" from Turkey.
The average Turk just wonders how there can be a state on the border not recognizing Turkish borders.

Also Turkey is pressured by Azerbaijan to link Zurich Protcolls with the status of Karabagh. The Karabagh problem is being tried to solve through Minsk Group.
Azerbaijan has now become an oil exporting nation and is constantly building up its military.
Azerbaijan's military budget alone equals total Armenian State budget.

Like the Defence Minister of Azerbaijan says, they won't wait another 15 years for diplomatic solutions to the Karabagh problem.
War inevitable - Azerbaijan's defence minister
News.Az - War inevitable - Azerbaijan's defence minister



Turkey trains Azerbaijani Military and is transferring military hardware.
In case of war, Turkey will supply Azerbaijan with intelligence and direct support.
We have signed over 100 Military agreements with Azerbaijan and transferred money, equipment and officer education to Azerbaijan.
The last Agreement from December 2009 states also transfer of Turkish soldiers under Azerbaijani command in case of freeing Karabagh from Armenian population.
Azerbaijani Armed Forces - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Read source linking [39] in Wikipedia.

Me, as a private person, thinks borders to Armenia should stay closed. Turkey does not need Armenia for anything, it is a failed state.

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