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Quote: Originally Posted by Dude That's waaaaaaay old...Pearl Jam stole it. ah ok. who said it first? | 
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The same thing was said about Poppy Bush in the '80s, which was well before the Pearl Jam days. | 
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Quote: Originally Posted by jillian
Quote: Originally Posted by CrusaderFrank He's mad at me cause he neg repped me for my post and hit him back with:
"I'll have a waitress sandwich with a tall glass of Chappaquiddick Water" well, that is pretty vile and disgusting. do you write nasty things about Laura Bush killing someone accidentally?
just wondering... though the answer is pretty apparent.
Ted Kennedy did a terrible thing. I am fairly sure he spent the rest of his life trying to atone for it.
The evil that men do lives after them.
The good is oft interred with their bones...
And you have no class, whatsoever. When the divers finally got to the car the next day, (it took that long because Ted had to make sure Mary Jo and the baby were dead), they found that she was in a large air pocket that kept her alive for about 30 minutes even under water. Had he called for help immediately, the divers might have been able to rescue her.
There's your fucking hero.
And here's how he redeemed himself.
While my personal believe is that if there is a Hell, we're already living in it; I think it would be amusing to see how Dante might have treated Teddy in the afterlife.
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Quote: Originally Posted by jillian
Quote: Originally Posted by CrusaderFrank He's mad at me cause he neg repped me for my post and hit him back with:
"I'll have a waitress sandwich with a tall glass of Chappaquiddick Water" well, that is pretty vile and disgusting. do you write nasty things about Laura Bush killing someone accidentally?
just wondering... though the answer is pretty apparent.
Ted Kennedy did a terrible thing. I am fairly sure he spent the rest of his life trying to atone for it.
The evil that men do lives after them.
The good is oft interred with their bones...
And you have no class, whatsoever. Silly lib. Did Laura Bush run away from the scene of the crime and not call the authorities for 8 hours?
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Quote: Originally Posted by concept
Quote: Originally Posted by jillian
Quote: Originally Posted by CrusaderFrank He's mad at me cause he neg repped me for my post and hit him back with:
"I'll have a waitress sandwich with a tall glass of Chappaquiddick Water" well, that is pretty vile and disgusting. do you write nasty things about Laura Bush killing someone accidentally?
just wondering... though the answer is pretty apparent.
Ted Kennedy did a terrible thing. I am fairly sure he spent the rest of his life trying to atone for it.
The evil that men do lives after them.
The good is oft interred with their bones...
And you have no class, whatsoever. Silly lib. Did Laura Bush run away from the scene of the crime and not call the authorities for 8 hours?
Don't bother, I don't expect an answer.  no.. she ONLY let her influential family make sure no one was given a breathalyzer test. gotta watch out for crazy ex-girlfrind, future republicans! They just might get all "Carrie" while driving and get even if it's the last thing she does. | 
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Quote: Originally Posted by Dude I dunno.
The same thing was said about Poppy Bush in the '80s, which was well before the Pearl Jam days. Did Ann Richards say it?
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Quote: Originally Posted by Shogun
Quote: Originally Posted by concept
Quote: Originally Posted by jillian
well, that is pretty vile and disgusting. do you write nasty things about Laura Bush killing someone accidentally?
just wondering... though the answer is pretty apparent.
Ted Kennedy did a terrible thing. I am fairly sure he spent the rest of his life trying to atone for it.
The evil that men do lives after them.
The good is oft interred with their bones...
And you have no class, whatsoever. Silly lib. Did Laura Bush run away from the scene of the crime and not call the authorities for 8 hours?
Don't bother, I don't expect an answer.  no.. she ONLY let her influential family make sure no one was given a breathalyzer test. gotta watch out for crazy ex-girlfrind, future republicans! They just might get all "Carrie" while driving and get even if it's the last thing she does. Did you know that you can give a breathalyzer to a kid with asthma?
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Quote: Originally Posted by Shogun
no.. she ONLY let her influential family make sure no one was given a breathalyzer test. gotta watch out for crazy ex-girlfrind, future republicans! They just might get all "Carrie" while driving and get even if it's the last thing she does. Her faimly had influence?
Snopes doesn't mention that: snopes.com: Laura Bush Car Accident
In fact, its not even clear she dated the guy.
Why are you so intent to defend a sack of shit like Teddy?
You have been running around for days trying to draw this dopey moral equivency to defend a premire asshole, what's the deal, you really a Kennedy Sho?
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Quote: Originally Posted by DevNell I will state right away, up frront that I do not consider the term conservative to be interchangeable. with the phrase right wing blowhard. But that does not mean a right wing blowhard cannot be a conservatve.
You open your mouth and let others decide that one for you.
------------------------------- You: big fat anonymous idiot on an internet message board armed with hysteria, faux outrage, hypocrisy, hate and more shit. Teddy Kennedy: More than 550 of his bills were signed into law. Quote: He wrote bills that increased the minimum wage, made it easier for workers who lost jobs to keep their health insurance, and allowed employees to take time off to care for newborn children or deal with family illnesses. One of his efforts has resulted in the delivery of more than 6 billion meals to seniors, according to his office.
He worked with Republicans to gain passage of a number of landmark measures: the Americans With Disabilities Act providing protections against discrimination; the Ryan White Comprehensive AIDS Resources Emergency Act, which his office says created the "single largest federal program for people with HIV/AIDS" in the United States; and the Orphan Drug Act providing tax credits to encourage the development of medicines for rare diseases. He co-wrote legislation to create a children's health insurance program that today covers more than 7 million previously uninsured children.
With then-Sen. Nancy Kassebaum (R-Kan.), he pushed through legislation that guaranteed Americans the right to buy health insurance and limited the length of time that an insurer could deny coverage for a specific preexisting medical condition.
In 2001, Kennedy teamed up with President George W. Bush to gain passage of No Child Left Behind education legislation for increased testing and incentives to school districts.
Dennis Van Roekel, president of the National Education Assn., said that Kennedy left "an indelible imprint on every major education law passed since the 1960s," beginning with Head Start in 1964. This spring, Congress passed the Edward M. Kennedy Serve America Act, which bolstered music and arts education.
Kennedy also was a key force on civil rights, helping win passage of the Immigration Act of 1965. "He handled the bill on the Senate floor, and that legislation transformed the country by opening the doors to the waves of immigrants who have remade America in the past five decades," said Julian Zelizer, a congressional scholar at Princeton.
He also helped write laws to give 18-year-olds the right to vote.
- Kennedy helped shape many laws that affect average Americans -- latimes.com Dev I've been trying to respect the man during his wake and funeral and you are making it increasingly difficult for me to remain silent, I just may start my thread 2 days early.
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Quote: Originally Posted by DevNell I will state right away, up frront that I do not consider the term conservative to be interchangeable. with the phrase right wing blowhard. But that does not mean a right wing blowhard cannot be a conservatve.
You open your mouth and let others decide that one for you.
------------------------------- You: big fat anonymous idiot on an internet message board armed with hysteria, faux outrage, hypocrisy, hate and more shit. Teddy Kennedy: More than 550 of his bills were signed into law. Quote: He wrote bills that increased the minimum wage, made it easier for workers who lost jobs to keep their health insurance, and allowed employees to take time off to care for newborn children or deal with family illnesses. One of his efforts has resulted in the delivery of more than 6 billion meals to seniors, according to his office.
He worked with Republicans to gain passage of a number of landmark measures: the Americans With Disabilities Act providing protections against discrimination; the Ryan White Comprehensive AIDS Resources Emergency Act, which his office says created the "single largest federal program for people with HIV/AIDS" in the United States; and the Orphan Drug Act providing tax credits to encourage the development of medicines for rare diseases. He co-wrote legislation to create a children's health insurance program that today covers more than 7 million previously uninsured children.
With then-Sen. Nancy Kassebaum (R-Kan.), he pushed through legislation that guaranteed Americans the right to buy health insurance and limited the length of time that an insurer could deny coverage for a specific preexisting medical condition.
In 2001, Kennedy teamed up with President George W. Bush to gain passage of No Child Left Behind education legislation for increased testing and incentives to school districts.
Dennis Van Roekel, president of the National Education Assn., said that Kennedy left "an indelible imprint on every major education law passed since the 1960s," beginning with Head Start in 1964. This spring, Congress passed the Edward M. Kennedy Serve America Act, which bolstered music and arts education.
Kennedy also was a key force on civil rights, helping win passage of the Immigration Act of 1965. "He handled the bill on the Senate floor, and that legislation transformed the country by opening the doors to the waves of immigrants who have remade America in the past five decades," said Julian Zelizer, a congressional scholar at Princeton.
He also helped write laws to give 18-year-olds the right to vote.
- Kennedy helped shape many laws that affect average Americans -- latimes.com
Fuck him. Fuck you. And I will "BLOW" your ass away.
Anything else I can help out with?
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Quote: Originally Posted by Xenophon
Quote: Originally Posted by Shogun
no.. she ONLY let her influential family make sure no one was given a breathalyzer test. gotta watch out for crazy ex-girlfrind, future republicans! They just might get all "Carrie" while driving and get even if it's the last thing she does. Her faimly had influence?
Snopes doesn't mention that: snopes.com: Laura Bush Car Accident
In fact, its not even clear she dated the guy.
Why are you so intent to defend a sack of shit like Teddy?
You have been running around for days trying to draw this dopey moral equivency to defend a premire asshole, what's the deal, you really a Kennedy Sho? snopes doesn't have an agent in the back seat of every vindictive, disenchanted gop princess. I'm giving her the exact same benefit of the doubt that your kind does Kennedy with his accident.
I guess a better question would be why are you so intent to cry foul with kennedy while looking the other way when Bush's parents were no less influential in herding away criticism. If you or i killed somone in an auto accident we'd get a breathalyzer test. But, you don't seem to care about that as much as you do throwing shit at a dead kennedy. telling, really.
I'm just not a fan of selective standards, dude. And, let's be honest, this week has been an extravaganza of such for you people. It's been like a fucking smorgasbord of situational criticism packed with nothing less than rotten apples and oranges. | 
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Quote: Originally Posted by Shogun
snopes doesn't have an agent in the back seat of every vindictive, disenchanted gop princess. I'm giving her the exact same benefit of the doubt that your kind does Kennedy with his accident. My 'kind'?
What 'kind' is that? Quote: I guess a better question would be why are you so intent to cry foul with kennedy while looking the other way when Bush's parents were no less influential in herding away criticism. If you or i killed somone in an auto accident we'd get a breathalyzer test. But, you don't seem to care about that as much as you do throwing shit at a dead kennedy. telling, really. It probaly escapes you, but Bush had nothing to do with it, he didn't know her back then slappy.
It also probaly escapes you that she never ran for office, and if she croaked you wouldn't have millions of dill holes claiming she was a saint. Quote: I'm just not a fan of selective standards, dude. And, let's be honest, this week has been an extravaganza of such for you people. People that have no love for murdering fucktards who's money and influence let them get away with it? Quote: It's been like a fucking smorgasbord of situational criticism packed with nothing less than rotten apples and oranges. You are so full of shit on this you eyes must be dark brown.
Defending one of the premire turds of the last 50 years by saying him leaving a girl to drown while he went home for EIGHT hours to a traffic accident where the girl also almost died and had no idea who she hit.
Yes, they are just sooooooooooooooooooo similar.
Your asinine attempts at moral equivency to defend a true asshole says volumes about your lack of character.
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Rep Power: 153 | | | He was caught cheating at Harvard when he attended it. He was expelled twice, once for cheating on a test, and once for paying a classmate to cheat for him.
While expelled, Kennedy enlisted in the Army, but mistakenly signed up for four years instead of two. His father, Joseph P. Kennedy, former U.S. Ambassador to England (a step up from bootlegging liquor into the US from Canada during prohibition), pulled the necessary strings to have his enlistment shortened to two years, and to ensure that he served in Europe , not Korea , where a war was raging. No preferential treatment for him! (like he charged that President Bush received).
Kennedy was assigned to Paris , never advanced beyond the rank of Private, and returned to Harvard upon being discharged. Imagine a person of his "education" NEVER advancing past the rank of Private!
While attending law school at the University of Virginia , he was cited for reckless driving four times(i've been cited for it once myself, but found innocent) including once when he was clocked driving 90 miles per hour in a residential neighborhood with his headlights off after dark.. Yet his Virginia driver's license was never revoked.
In 1964, he was seriously injured in a plane crash and hospitalized for several months. Test results done by the hospital at the time he was admitted had shown he was legally intoxicated. The results of those tests remained a "state secret" until in the 1980's when the report was unsealed. Didn't hear about that from the unbiased media did we?
On July 19, 1969, Kennedy attended a party on Chappaquiddick Island in Massachusetts. At about 11:00 PM, he borrowed his chauffeur's keys to his Oldsmobile limousine and offered to give a ride home to Mary Jo Kopechne, a campaign worker. Leaving the island via an unlit bridge with no guard rail, Kennedy steered the car off the bridge, flipped, and into Poucha Pond.
He swam to shore and walked back to the party passing several houses and a fire station. Two friends then returned with him to the scene of the accident. According to their later testimony, they told him what he already knew - that he was required by law to immediately report the accident to the authorities. Instead Kennedy made his way to his hotel, called his lawyer, and went to sleep. Kennedy called the police the next morning and by then the wreck had already been discovered. Before dying Kopechne had scratched at the upholstered floor above her head in the upside-down car.
The Kennedy family began "calling in favors", ensuring that any inquiry would be contained. Her corpse was whisked out-of- state to her family before an autopsy could be conducted. Further details are uncertain, but after the accident Kennedy says he repeatedly dove under the water trying to rescue Kopechne and he didn't call police because he was in a state of shock. It is widely assumed Kennedy was drunk, and he held off calling police in hopes that his family could fix the problem overnight.
Since the accident Kennedy's "political enemies" have referred to him as the distinguished Senator from Chappaquiddick. He pleaded guilty to leaving the scene of an accident, and was given a SUSPENDED SENTENCE OF TWO MONTHS.
Kopechne's family received a small payout from the Kennedy's insurance policy and never sued. There was later an effort to have her body exhumed and autopsied, but her family successfully fought against this in court, and Kennedy's family paid their attorney's bills.... a "token of friendship"?
Kennedy had held his Senate seat for more than forty years, but considering his longevity, his accomplishments seem scant. He authored or argued for legislation that ensured a variety of civil rights, increased the minimum wage in 1981, made access to health care easier for the indigent, funded Meals on Wheels for fixed-income seniors, and is widely held as the "standard-bearer for liberalism".
He was known around Washington as a public drunk, loud, boisterous, and very disrespectful to ladies. JERK is a better description than "great American". "A blonde in every pond" is his motto. Let's not allow the spin doctors to make this jerk a hero -- how quickly the American public forgets what his real legacy is.
He was now worried that when he died, Massachusetts law currently requires a special election to fill the vacancy, but that would mean that the senate would only have 59 Democrats and would not be filibuster-proof. He is asking the state legislature to change the law so the (Democrat) governor can appoint the replacement immediately upon the vacancy and not have to wait for a special election, which would be many months after the vacancy. He had pushed for the current MA law very hard when John Kerry looked like he may become president....hypocracy.
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