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03-11-2009, 11:44 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Dorkazoid_Jones When business is way way down, why would you slow it down even further by increasing government spending which ultimately means higher taxes? If you take money out of the consumer pockets, there is less spending and a slower economy. If you tax business with things like a "wind fall profit tax" against oil, they will explore less and oil prices will increase. If you socialize medicine and try to cap profits on pharmaceutical companies, you will decrease incentive to invest in cures in things like cancer. Is Obama a moron or is purposely trying to ruin the economy for his socialist agenda????????????? He's definitely not the sharpest pencil in the drawer, but I believe he is trying to do what he thinks is right. Unfortunately, it's wrong. Deep down, however, he wants the government to play a bigger roll in everyone's lives so the ultimate goal is a move towards Socialism. (We're almost there, so he doesn't have to do much.)
So if he is not smart according to you and he represents us. What does that say about us then. In Obama's case, it says that the majority didn't have a candidate to call their own. | 
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Quote: Originally Posted by Dorkazoid_Jones When business is way way down, why would you slow it down even further by increasing government spending which ultimately means higher taxes? If you take money out of the consumer pockets, there is less spending and a slower economy. If you tax business with things like a "wind fall profit tax" against oil, they will explore less and oil prices will increase. If you socialize medicine and try to cap profits on pharmaceutical companies, you will decrease incentive to invest in cures in things like cancer. Is Obama a moron or is purposely trying to ruin the economy for his socialist agenda????????????? Seems to me that the economy was ruined before he took office. What makes you think he has ruined it. Take a look at the Bush record. Wow talk about ruining something.
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Is this a perfect example of the fallacy of the excluded middle?
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Quote: Originally Posted by Diuretic Is Obama incompetent or purposely ruining the economy???
Is this a perfect example of the fallacy of the excluded middle? Probably... it's also an example of what happens when there's no IQ test before people are allowed to vote.
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He's definitely not the sharpest pencil in the drawer, but I believe he is trying to do what he thinks is right. Unfortunately, it's wrong. Deep down, however, he wants the government to play a bigger roll in everyone's lives so the ultimate goal is a move towards Socialism. (We're almost there, so he doesn't have to do much.)
So if he is not smart according to you and he represents us. What does that say about us then. 53% of the country are morons ? LOL. The McCain side had its share of morons:
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Quote: Originally Posted by Diuretic Is Obama incompetent or purposely ruining the economy???
Is this a perfect example of the fallacy of the excluded middle? Probably... it's also an example of what happens when there's no IQ test before people are allowed to vote.  You would love that wouldn't you? Liberals are closet fascists. But of course just for our own "good".
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03-13-2009, 05:57 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Dorkazoid_Jones When business is way way down, why would you slow it down even further by increasing government spending which ultimately means higher taxes? If you take money out of the consumer pockets, there is less spending and a slower economy. If you tax business with things like a "wind fall profit tax" against oil, they will explore less and oil prices will increase. If you socialize medicine and try to cap profits on pharmaceutical companies, you will decrease incentive to invest in cures in things like cancer. Is Obama a moron or is purposely trying to ruin the economy for his socialist agenda????????????? He is doing neither, of course. This is a false choice.
The focus is on job creation, first off but he has many other issues that are being addressed. He explained it very well to business people the other day, you have to look ahead, at the big picture, and not just this month or this year.
If we keep thinking short term, we have to continue coming up with short term solutions.
Most Americans believe the stimulus will help the economy, they don't trust what the previous administration was doing and the OP suggests that we continue doing nothing. THAT was incompetent and ruining the country. Not to mention lazy. Quote: Obama confronts Dem skepticism on economic plans
Confronting misgivings, even in his own party, President Barack Obama mounted a stout defense of his blueprint to overhaul the economy Thursday, declaring the national crisis is "not as bad as we think" and his plans will speed recovery.
Challenged to provide encouragement as the nation's "confidence builder in chief," Obama said Americans shouldn't be whipsawed by bursts of either bad or good news and he was "highly optimistic" about the long term.
The president's proposals for major health care, energy and education changes in the midst of economic hard times faced skepticism from both Democrats and Republicans on Capitol Hill, as senators questioned his budget outlook and the deficits it envisions in the middle of the next decade.
But Obama, speaking to top executives of the Business Roundtable, expressed an optimistic vision and called for patience.
Richard Parsons, chairman of beleaguered Citigroup Inc., asked if Obama could offer some help in a national battle "between confidence and fear."
"A smidgen of good news and suddenly everything is doing great. A little bit of bad news and ooohh , we're down on the dumps," Obama said. "And I am obviously an object of this constantly varying assessment. I am the object in chief of this varying assessment." http://www.mercurynews.com/politics/ci_11895354 | 
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So if he is not smart according to you and he represents us. What does that say about us then. 53% of the country are morons ? LOL. The McCain side had its share of morons: That townhall was quite strange. I never figured out whether McCain said that because he was getting poll results indicating that he and Palin were dropping after using the terrorist rhetoric or if he really meant it.
It had to be the polls.
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53% of the country are morons ? LOL. The McCain side had its share of morons: That townhall was quite strange. I never figured out whether McCain said that because he was getting poll results indicating that he and Palin were dropping after using the terrorist rhetoric or if he really meant it.
It had to be the polls.
Btw, that woman should never leave the house again without a comb. Geezus. Yeah the negative tactics weren't working. When you're running against a charismatic "Black" candidate you need to attack his specific ideas, not dismiss him in any personal way, even if it is inexperience or "celebrity status."
More in line with the topic, who believes McCain's approach would have been better and why? IIRC he wanted a spending freeze on everything except the military, and then tax cuts across the board.
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Quote: Originally Posted by RetiredGySgt You would love that wouldn't you? Liberals are closet fascists. But of course just for our own "good". I was being tongue in cheek...
but you know that, so do calm yourself.
On the other hand, the dude's a moron... .but if you want to claim him, have at it.
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03-15-2009, 11:55 AM
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Rep Power: 4 | | | Huh?? "Seems to me that the economy was ruined before he took office. What makes you think he has ruined it. Take a look at the Bush record. Wow talk about ruining something."
Bush was a capitalist. WHAT AN EVIL BASTARD! Capitalism is what works. The fact that we have inept regulators is on a lot of people not just your favorite pinata. By the way, please do tell us how raising costs on businesses with higher taxes spurs on the economy? Ok, now explain to us how raising consumers taxes makes them spend more??
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How do you create jobs by raising costs on businesses thru higher taxes?? Hello?? | 
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Rep Power: 0 | | | Tim Geithner And Barack Obama Are Destroying The U.S. Economy Hi Dork:
Quote: Originally Posted by Dorkazoid_Jones When business is way way down, why would you slow it down even further by increasing government spending which ultimately means higher taxes? If you take money out of the consumer pockets, there is less spending and a slower economy. If you tax business with things like a "wind fall profit tax" against oil, they will explore less and oil prices will increase. If you socialize medicine and try to cap profits on pharmaceutical companies, you will decrease incentive to invest in cures in things like cancer. Is Obama a moron or is purposely trying to ruin the economy for his socialist agenda????????????? Obama is definitely carrying through with the destruction of these United States like his good ole pal Senor Bush. You need to look at the big picture through the eyes of The Obama Deception ( link). Timothy Geithner holds the key to the Coming Economic Collapse/Implosion ( link). Watch and see . . .
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Quote: Originally Posted by Dorkazoid_Jones Bush was a capitalist. Until he was elected. | 
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Rep Power: 28 | | | If my memory serves me correctly the left wing agenda along with the left wing media pounded President Bush for a total of 8 years. In the short 50+ days that Obama has been President he has outspent Bush's 8 years, combine that with the fact that Obama promised transparency and an end to ear marks but lied on both of these accounts. No one, including congress and the senate had the opportunity to read the $810 pork barrel stimulus plan before he signed it into law and he just signed an $410 billion dollar omnibus bill that had 9,000 earmarks. You wonder why the taxpayer is upset, you don't need to look far. He is a tax and spend liberal and nothing but a puppet for Pelosi and Reid. |  | |
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