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*Shrugs*

If there is anything I've learned on this board.

It's that with age, doesn't always come wisdom.

I'm not making assumptions about your views. I'm saying that most of the things people blame high school for is the fault of something else.

And I understand this.

But how can you blame the high school for being unable to do the job that the local police force and administration is suppose to carry out? Teachers aren't a police force.

Yes. I lived the race riots.

I erased that bit of personal history data. If you don't mind, would you kindly edit or delete your post that still has it?

Thank you.

I have at one point yes.

And yes, I've read all this. Do I understand correctly that you believe the schools system is merely a function to continue the enslavement of the middle and lower classes to mere jobs with wages while the rich have all the capital?

I didn't know you werre so sensitive, Agna, or so insecure as to read into my post that I was saying you know nothing about the world. (You're putting that statement in quotes is very misleading).

I recognize my comment was ageist but considering your's and Robert's ages, no matter how brilliant or mature either of you may be, or how widely traveled you are, neither of you have lived enough years or posted enough wisdom to have impressed me as being sages.

Both of you strike me as somewhat arrogant and that is why your argument seems silly to me.

Done and interesting times I'm sure.

I'm not trying to be a sage though.

I'm trying to get across to him for awhile now the same point you just stated. I've come to realize this by now.

No matter how many books you read, no matter how many youtube videos you watch, etc that the best knowledge comes through life's personal experiences. Nothing can replace that for the world because there is nothing like that.

Yeah. "At one point." I'll say that you're not in much of a position to lecture about third-world countries when I've traveled to them doing missionary and relief work.

And your analysis is rather crude, but not entirely inaccurate. It's not so much about the social costs of hierarchy in the labor sector (although that's a critical element) as it is about the inefficiency formed by hierarchy, which requires the creation of unnecessary management techniques, thus making capitalism inefficient.

Perhaps I quote him excessively, but his analysis is spot-on, so again, my fellow socialist poster, Reiver, agrees with this analysis.

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"Its about understanding that efficiency and equity are positively related. Consider, for example, education. That should fullfil the human capital investment role. Indeed, orthodox and radical schools agree that such a role exists. However, the socialist is able to also refer to the consequences of hierarchy. They'd acknowledge that such hierarchy isn't simply based on 'division of labour' criteria (in order to maximise productivity). Instead, its about controlling labour militancy (and therefore maintaining economic rents). Education then has the additional role of legitimising that hierarchy (e.g. you do not attend university to increase your productivity, you attend to achieve the certification required to be considered for the 'good jobs'). This will then suggest the social benefits from education are not fully realised (e.g. see Britain where its tertiary education investments have reduced social mobility, given it provides extra opportunities to lower ability youngsters from high income backgrounds). To deliver optimal education we'd need a socialist economy."

I don't recall claiming to be a sage. There are few sages about, but the discovery of them is not aided by setting arbitrary standards...to be arrogant, I would have to claim that I had far greater abilities or wisdom than everyone else...I never have.

So called "laymen" surpass so-called "sages" with their technical knowledge. An Oxford philosopher couldn't do an ounce of the work that a mechanic can.

I would have been happier if I had had the opportunity to leave.

Sounds like you are trying to give everyone here a priggish remonstrance for not being grateful that we didn't grow up in a 3rd world country and that public education is free. That we didn't is beside the point.

You are right about that!

Hmm. There were some things that happened that made an impact on me. The Vietnam War being telecast into my living room night after night had an impact. The civil rights movement and the race riots in my high school every year had an impact.

The music, art and poets of the times had an impact.

These were worldview shaping events.

Going to high school and living with my gay father in an apartment over his hair salon had an impact.

Having close personal friends who were Jewish, Native American and African American had an impact.

High school was a rich time, but not because of the social environment of frats and sororities or the enriching classroom education.

It was the world that affected me.

I'm not, I'm simply stating that things could be a helluva lot worse.

Got to look on the bright side of life sometimes.

Robert--

I know what you mean about the opportunities we have in America and the lack of them for youth in third world countries. I have traveled in third world countries.

That doesn't mean that the suffering in America is less than the suffering in the third world. Suffering is suffering.

My friend went to India to work for Mother Teresa's charity. She sent him home. She stated there is more suffering in America than there is in Calcutta.

Different kinds of suffering.

You make a point that I agree with that it is a wise and helpful practice to count your fortune and blessings and appreciate what you have.

It is ignorant when we project our own experience onto others and expect them to think and be as we are.

Capitalism is by far not perfect either. Just like Communism isn't.

To sum up my feelings about Capitalism and Communism: