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10-13-2008, 06:05 AM
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AKRON, Ohio - By the time deputies came to escort Addie Polk out of her home of 38 years, the 90-year-old had taken out her life insurance policy and placed it next to her pocketbook and keys in the neatly kept house.
She shot herself in the chest Oct. 1 before she could be taken away from the foreclosed house, which was worth less than its mortgage from the day she took out the loan.
A congressman called her the face of a national tragedy, the housing crisis that has affected millions of Americans. Neighbors were stunned and said they had no idea the widow had been about to lose her two-story, white vinyl home.
And Polk, as she recovered, sounded a bit regretful.
"She said that was a crazy thing to do," said neighbor Robert Dillon, 62, who visited her at the hospital.
| Ohio shooting puts face on foreclosure crisis - Yahoo! News
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10-13-2008, 06:12 AM
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Originally Posted by rayboyusmc | Do you have any idea how that particular post makes YOU look? | 
10-13-2008, 06:12 AM
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Originally Posted by rayboyusmc | Y'know. THIS -- meaning your commentary -- is just flat-out stupid.
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10-13-2008, 06:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Gunny Y'know. THIS -- meaning your commentary -- is just flat-out stupid. | I beat you to it.  | 
10-13-2008, 06:21 AM
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Rep Power: 28 | | | from your link Polk took out a mortgage in 1997 and refinanced several times after that, court and property records showed.
She took out a 30-year, 6.375 percent mortgage for $45,620 four years ago when the house was appraised at $31,230.
Now not to sound like a "mean spirited" conservative, what the hell was an 80 year old doing refinancing her house several times since 1997 and why did she take a mortgage for more than the house was worth?
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10-13-2008, 06:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Skull Pilot from your link Polk took out a mortgage in 1997 and refinanced several times after that, court and property records showed.
She took out a 30-year, 6.375 percent mortgage for $45,620 four years ago when the house was appraised at $31,230.
Now not to sound like a "mean spirited" conservative, what the hell was an 80 year old doing refinancing her house several times since 1997 and why did she take a mortgage for more than the house was worth? | Honestly? My guess is she figured she'd be dead by the time it foreclosed...
Your question isn't mean spirited at all. Ray's little comment was just sick, and made him look like a complete dick. Personally, I think if he's going to post stuff like that, he should take off the uniform.  | 
10-13-2008, 06:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Skull Pilot from your link Polk took out a mortgage in 1997 and refinanced several times after that, court and property records showed.
She took out a 30-year, 6.375 percent mortgage for $45,620 four years ago when the house was appraised at $31,230.
Now not to sound like a "mean spirited" conservative, what the hell was an 80 year old doing refinancing her house several times since 1997 and why did she take a mortgage for more than the house was worth? | why did the bank lend it to her....? just crazy....this whole mess is crazy....
she should have done a reverse mortgage if she needed the money to survive?!?
but the bank was NUTS to loan it to her, even moreso than her taking the loan out imo, because more than likely she needed the money to live....higher oil bills or medicines or something other than wanting to buy gadgets like ipods/cell phones/computers/b;ackberrys?
i just do not understand how everyone in the banking business, OVERNIGHT became reckless business idiots? | 
10-13-2008, 06:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Care4all why did the bank lend it to her....? just crazy....this whole mess is crazy....
she should have done a reverse mortgage if she needed the money to survive?!?
but the bank was NUTS to loan it to her, even moreso than her taking the loan out imo, because more than likely she needed the money to live....higher oil bills or medicines or something other than wanting to buy gadgets like ipods/cell phones/computers/b;ackberrys?
i just do not understand how everyone in the banking business, OVERNIGHT became reckless business idiots? | The bank had to lend it to her lest they be charged with age-ism and sued.
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10-13-2008, 06:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Care4all why did the bank lend it to her....? just crazy....this whole mess is crazy....
she should have done a reverse mortgage if she needed the money to survive?!?
but the bank was NUTS to loan it to her, even moreso than her taking the loan out imo, because more than likely she needed the money to live....higher oil bills or medicines or something other than wanting to buy gadgets like ipods/cell phones/computers/b;ackberrys?
i just do not understand how everyone in the banking business, OVERNIGHT became reckless business idiots? | You still can't just blame the banks - it's not solely their fault. She played a part in her own outcome. It's just sad that she felt the need to shoot herself over it | 
10-13-2008, 06:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Shattered You still can't just blame the banks - it's not solely their fault. She played a part in her own outcome. It's just sad that she felt the need to shoot herself over it | yes, she did play a part in it by taking out this kind of loan, at 86 years old, INSTEAD of a reverse mortgage loan, which would have been proper and to her benefit....
i still do NOT understand why the bank would take the RISK and be STUPID enough to give her a loan at 86yrs old for 30 years and for 35% MORE than what her home was worth?
Like I said, this whole thing is just crazy and NUTS!
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10-13-2008, 06:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Skull Pilot The bank had to lend it to her lest they be charged with age-ism and sued. |
Oh what partians bullshit.
The originating bank gave her the loan because they took points on it as fees, and then they knew perfectly well they'd be getting that loan off their folio and it would be somebody else's problem.
I know you people dearly wnat to believe that the poor banks were forced to make these loans so I have challenge for you, okay?
Show me the lawsuits you think plagued bankers to force them to make these loans, okay?
According to this latest canard you keep fielding there must be hundreds of thousands of such lawsuits that forced bankers to make questionable loans.
Where are those cases, please?
I will continue to point out to those of you foisting this canard on us, that these originating banks and brokers were motivated to loan money because they made money by loaning it, and knew they wer going to pass off the risks to the bond holders who, I will remind you all again, WERE BEING LIED TO ABOUT THE RISK ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE REAL ESTATE BACKED LOANS. | 
10-13-2008, 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by editec Oh what partians bullshit.
The originating bank gave her the loan because they took points on it as fees, and then they knew perfectly well they'd be getting that loan off their folio and it would be somebody else's problem.
I know you people dearly wnat to believe that the poor banks were forced to make these loans so I have challenge for you, okay?
Show me the lawsuits you think plagued bankers to force them to make these loans, okay?
According to this latest canard you keep fielding there must be hundreds of thousands of such lawsuits that forced bankers to make questionable loans.
Where are those cases, please?
I will continue to point out to those of you foisting this canard on us, that these originating banks and brokers were motivated to loan money because they made money by loaning it, and knew they wer going to pass off the risks to the bond holders who, I will remind you all again, WERE BEING LIED TO ABOUT THE RISK ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE REAL ESTATE BACKED LOANS. | Realty Times - Fannie Mae Sued For Alleged Discrimination Against Minority Borrowers NAACP sues lenders for discrimination : Local Business News : Redding Record Searchlight Realty Times - Age Discrimination: No Laughing Matter Mortgage Discrimination
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