What's the problem?

I've actually convinced 3 and 1/2 normal people that my way is better.

I'm still waiting to find out how much it would cost to build a wall around the country.

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probably even more than your driveway

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"Now don't touch the knobs now, we're going to have some fun around here"-peter wolf

heh, I still haven't redone my driveway.

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maybe you can get an earmark?

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"Now don't touch the knobs now, we're going to have some fun around here"-peter wolf

There's illegal immigrants everywhere, Rav. Go pick a few up in your pickup truck and get that driveway finished!

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"If you analyze it I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism. The basis of conservatism is a desire for less government interference or less centralized authority or more individual freedom and this is a pretty general description also of what libertarianism is."

-Ronald Reagan

I should before it becomes illegal, huh?

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By all means, and hurry! Because any day now they're going to make it illegal to hire illegals, Rav. Get it in while it's still legal AND morally and ethically right.

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"If you analyze it I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism. The basis of conservatism is a desire for less government interference or less centralized authority or more individual freedom and this is a pretty general description also of what libertarianism is."

-Ronald Reagan

Let's take advantage of our almost 3/4 natural moat around the country ... might as well put some alligators up there in Alaska, to protect the polar bears, too.

I had one using my SSN to work! And who do you think they are going to get to build that wall! I think one comedian said just make sure they are on the other side of the wall when they finish it.

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" He is able who thinks he is able." Buddha

"Wine is constant proof that God loves us and loves to see us happy."
Benjamin Franklin

" A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything."
Friedrich Nietzsche

Section 8, USC 1324a -


And then this part pretty much closes the case completely:


8 USC 1324a

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"If you analyze it I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism. The basis of conservatism is a desire for less government interference or less centralized authority or more individual freedom and this is a pretty general description also of what libertarianism is."

-Ronald Reagan

Pauli, you are using a law that covers the employer/employee relationship to make your point. Paying a couple of people off the street to redo a driveway doesn't constitute an employer/employee relationship.

It would be similar to what the IRS describes here...the lawn service company.

Publication 926 (2008), Household Employer's Tax Guide

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How do you misconstrue this part?

You are a person, right?

And when you drive down to your state's Little Mexico to pick up a few beaners you had NO IDEA () were illegals, to come pave your driveway for you, you RECRUITED them.

That law, as far as I'm concerned, covers both contractual work, or picking dudes up off the street for a side job.

The whole section of that USC covers all aspects of illegal immigration, and it also points to transporting known illegals, harboring them, aiding and abetting, etc.

The bottom line is, you need to be informed about who you are hiring. I realize that not every guy named Pablo is illegal, but that's no excuse for not finding out before you go ahead and irresponsibly break a federal law to save a couple bucks. All legalities aside, where's the MORAL justification for that?

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"If you analyze it I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism. The basis of conservatism is a desire for less government interference or less centralized authority or more individual freedom and this is a pretty general description also of what libertarianism is."

-Ronald Reagan

Again, you are not understanding the definition of the term employ. It's difficult for most people to grasp, but the IRS is pretty clear on who is and is not considered an employee.

In this case, there is no breaking of a federal law.

Now if I hired a maid on a regular basis, I would definitely make him or her fill out the i9.

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At this point it's not even about the I9. You can not legally pick someone up off the street that's an illegal alien, and recruit them for work. It doesn't matter what the technicalities are regarding the employment status. If you knowingly hire, recruit, transport, harbor, or aid and abet an illegal alien, you are breaking the law. In your case you're doing at least TWO of those.

So the question is, do you ask them what their immigration status is, or do you remain willfully ignorant?

You are required to be reasonably informed about the status of an alien you are recruiting. That means in the least, ASKING them. But for morality's sake, I'd think it's not too much to ask to have documentation for proof.

I think the issue here, is that you AGREE with these aliens being here illegally, so it doesn't matter to you either way what their status is.

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"If you analyze it I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism. The basis of conservatism is a desire for less government interference or less centralized authority or more individual freedom and this is a pretty general description also of what libertarianism is."

-Ronald Reagan