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Old 09-30-2008, 10:46 AM
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I am starting this thread here because I know the ultimate degradation this topic will effect, though I hope for some actual discussion, I fear I may regret starting it but will anyway.

Posting links from the web is just like posting opinions on the board itself. It won't change an opinion and won't change fact, but most links are opinions, especially blogs. Wiki is a place where any nutcase with a keyboard can post and thus very subjective and rarely based on fact. News sources and fact based sites can often have actually important stuff, but face it, much of it is sensationalism. Quoting books is really pointless because no one else can see it unless you put page numbers so those with the book can look it up to verify.

What annoys me is when someone posts an obviously skewed link then expect everyone else to find an opposing view with the same skewed view, it's a contradiction in and of itself.
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I am starting this thread here because I know the ultimate degradation this topic will effect, though I hope for some actual discussion, I fear I may regret starting it but will anyway.

Posting links from the web is just like posting opinions on the board itself. It won't change an opinion and won't change fact, but most links are opinions, especially blogs. Wiki is a place where any nutcase with a keyboard can post and thus very subjective and rarely based on fact. News sources and fact based sites can often have actually important stuff, but face it, much of it is sensationalism. Quoting books is really pointless because no one else can see it unless you put page numbers so those with the book can look it up to verify.

What annoys me is when someone posts an obviously skewed link then expect everyone else to find an opposing view with the same skewed view, it's a contradiction in and of itself.
So what's your point? You just want people saying whatever BS they want to say, and not have even a shred of anything backing up their opinion? Ok so Wiki is not the best source ... so what? What's next? Are you going to say posting links to news sites like CNN, MSNBC are no good either?

That's just silly
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Old 09-30-2008, 10:58 AM
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Kitten hits the nail on the head. Watching some of these people running around posting random links to random websites is fucking annoying (Kirk is by far the worst at it, though oreo and kdtighe are getting pretty bad).

There's so much information on the Internet, I can find a link to support whatever claim I want to make, and it will probably even look like a credible source. But as Kitten said, it's just another opinion.

If it ain't from CNN, NBC, Fox, or another major network or publication, I don't even bother reading it, unless it's from the candidates' websites directly. Everything else is just jibberish, and most of the stuff from the aforementioned sites is too, but at least it's credible jibberish.
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So what's your point? You just want people saying whatever BS they want to say, and not have even a shred of anything backing up their opinion? Ok so Wiki is not the best source ... so what? What's next? Are you going to say posting links to news sites like CNN, MSNBC are no good either?

That's just silly
Which is why it's in the Flame Zone. Ever notice that when someone posts a skewed source they ignore all other sources though?
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Which is why it's in the Flame Zone. Ever notice that when someone posts a skewed source they ignore all other sources though?
naaaa you just find the one that agrees with you and stick to it !
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naaaa you just find the one that agrees with you and stick to it !
*pouts* But Ilike my open mind, it's why believe what I believe.
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Old 09-30-2008, 11:09 AM
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I am starting this thread here because I know the ultimate degradation this topic will effect, though I hope for some actual discussion, I fear I may regret starting it but will anyway.

Posting links from the web is just like posting opinions on the board itself. It won't change an opinion and won't change fact, but most links are opinions, especially blogs. Wiki is a place where any nutcase with a keyboard can post and thus very subjective and rarely based on fact. News sources and fact based sites can often have actually important stuff, but face it, much of it is sensationalism. Quoting books is really pointless because no one else can see it unless you put page numbers so those with the book can look it up to verify.

What annoys me is when someone posts an obviously skewed link then expect everyone else to find an opposing view with the same skewed view, it's a contradiction in and of itself.
The obvious answer to that is just because you see something as skewed, does not mean everyone else does. If you so much as have an opinion, then you are in fact biased to the opposing view. In most cases, on political topics, there WILL be an opposing view.

Oh, and they call extremists that for a reason. I don't know a one of them that doesn't define themselves as moderate.
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The obvious answer to that is just because you see something as skewed, does not mean everyone else does. If you so much as have an opinion, then you are in fact biased to the opposing view. In most cases, on political topics, there WILL be an opposing view.

Oh, and they call extremists that for a reason. I don't know a one of them that doesn't define themselves as moderate.
True, it does kind of irk me that they get mad when their source is dismissed because of it though. What's to is when they ask for a link and you post it then they dismiss it, yet get angry when theirs is dismissed.
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Old 09-30-2008, 11:34 AM
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True, it does kind of irk me that they get mad when their source is dismissed because of it though. What's to is when they ask for a link and you post it then they dismiss it, yet get angry when theirs is dismissed.

That's simple. After awhile you quit bothering to post links when arguing with certain people because you know you're wasting your time. There are some people I just won't bother ot even argue with because I can predict the entire debate and its outcome.

You can absolutely destroy an argument and they'll be back next week with the same crap under a different thread title.
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That's simple. After awhile you quit bothering to post links when arguing with certain people because you know you're wasting your time. There are some people I just won't bother ot even argue with because I can predict the entire debate and its outcome.

You can absolutely destroy an argument and they'll be back next week with the same crap under a different thread title.
I have noticed that.
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Personally, I tend to not click any links posted. I had a bad experience once.

If I really want to check out the source, I google it and navigate to the site that way. Some might call it paranoid, but I call it vigilance.
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Personally, I tend to not click any links posted. I had a bad experience once.

If I really want to check out the source, I google it and navigate to the site that way. Some might call it paranoid, but I call it vigilance.
If you are on Windoze or Mac that is just vigilance, but ultimately that is still a personal choice, no one should berate you for it unless you keep asking for a link even after they post it.
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