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Old 02-25-2012, 07:33 AM
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Must be because Obama doubled the capital gains tax...wait, he couldn't get that done, and if he did, the stock market would have gone to hell in a hand basket.
Bull shit. If there is money to be made in the stock market, people will invest in the stock market. A 4% change in a capital gains tax will not change that
Where you getting 4% from? He wannted to take it from 15% to 28%, thats almost double. As an investor if they want me to twice as much in taxes, its not worth it for me to invest. I know many feel that way.
Yep no one invested back when the tax rate was that high before did they?
Ohh wait we had a good economy and employment then.
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Bull shit. If there is money to be made in the stock market, people will invest in the stock market. A 4% change in a capital gains tax will not change that
Where you getting 4% from? He wannted to take it from 15% to 28%, thats almost double. As an investor if they want me to twice as much in taxes, its not worth it for me to invest. I know many feel that way.
Yep no one invested back when the tax rate was that high before did they?
Ohh wait we had a good economy and employment then.
Don't you think doubling the capital gains tax, possibly in some strange cosmic universe, would discourage investors from investing??
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Where you getting 4% from? He wannted to take it from 15% to 28%, thats almost double. As an investor if they want me to twice as much in taxes, its not worth it for me to invest. I know many feel that way.
Yep no one invested back when the tax rate was that high before did they?
Ohh wait we had a good economy and employment then.
Don't you think doubling the capital gains tax, possibly in some strange cosmic universe, would discourage investors from investing??
Halfing cap gains taxes helped lead to this mess we are in now.
We need responsible long term investing, not day trading and casino style wall street.

Cap gains taxes should be on a sliding scale.
If the gain was from assets held less than 30 days the tax should be 50%.
And sliding down a scale to a low rate when held for more than a year.

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Where you getting 4% from? He wannted to take it from 15% to 28%, thats almost double. As an investor if they want me to twice as much in taxes, its not worth it for me to invest. I know many feel that way.
Yep no one invested back when the tax rate was that high before did they?
Ohh wait we had a good economy and employment then.
Don't you think doubling the capital gains tax, possibly in some strange cosmic universe, would discourage investors from investing??
Why do conservatives value investment dollars over labor dollars?

Why should $40,000 made from moving money from one place to another be taxed at a lower rate than $40,000 made working in a sewer?

Why does Mitt Romney pay less than 15% on his income while a family struggling to get by pays 24% ????
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Yep no one invested back when the tax rate was that high before did they?
Ohh wait we had a good economy and employment then.
Don't you think doubling the capital gains tax, possibly in some strange cosmic universe, would discourage investors from investing??
Halfing cap gains taxes helped lead to this mess we are in now.
We need responsible long term investing, not day trading and casino style wall street.
Now you're saying lowering capital gains tax got us in this mess???
I'd love for you to explain to me how.
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Yep no one invested back when the tax rate was that high before did they?
Ohh wait we had a good economy and employment then.
Don't you think doubling the capital gains tax, possibly in some strange cosmic universe, would discourage investors from investing??
Why do conservatives value investment dollars over labor dollars?

Why should $40,000 made from moving money from one place to another be taxed at a lower rate than $40,000 made working in a sewer?

Why does Mitt Romney pay less than 15% on his income while a family struggling to get by pays 24% ????
Because that 40K worker cannot afford to rent congress persons.
aka lobbyists.
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Yep no one invested back when the tax rate was that high before did they?
Ohh wait we had a good economy and employment then.
Don't you think doubling the capital gains tax, possibly in some strange cosmic universe, would discourage investors from investing??
Why do conservatives value investment dollars over labor dollars?

Why should $40,000 made from moving money from one place to another be taxed at a lower rate than $40,000 made working in a sewer?

Why does Mitt Romney pay less than 15% on his income while a family struggling to get by pays 24% ????
investing fuels growth which fuels jobs. You guys want investing too, but you want government to invest with our money. Conservatives believe we have better results when the private sector is doing the investing with thier own money.
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Don't you think doubling the capital gains tax, possibly in some strange cosmic universe, would discourage investors from investing??
Why do conservatives value investment dollars over labor dollars?

Why should $40,000 made from moving money from one place to another be taxed at a lower rate than $40,000 made working in a sewer?

Why does Mitt Romney pay less than 15% on his income while a family struggling to get by pays 24% ????
investing fuels growth which fuels jobs. You guys want investing too, but you want government to invest with our money. Conservatives believe we have better results when the private sector is doing the investing with thier own money.
Yeah investments fuel job growth in China and such offshore place, not so much here.

Cap gains from offshore ventures should be taxed at 30%.
on shore gains taxed at a lower rate.
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Why do conservatives value investment dollars over labor dollars?

Why should $40,000 made from moving money from one place to another be taxed at a lower rate than $40,000 made working in a sewer?

Why does Mitt Romney pay less than 15% on his income while a family struggling to get by pays 24% ????
investing fuels growth which fuels jobs. You guys want investing too, but you want government to invest with our money. Conservatives believe we have better results when the private sector is doing the investing with thier own money.
Yeah investments fuel job growth in China and such offshore place, not so much here.

Cap gains from offshore ventures should be taxed at 30%.

on shore gains taxed at a lower rate.
I agree with the second you said.
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So Wall Street are friends of the left now?
as long as they can spin it that way
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Why do conservatives value investment dollars over labor dollars?

Why should $40,000 made from moving money from one place to another be taxed at a lower rate than $40,000 made working in a sewer?

Why does Mitt Romney pay less than 15% on his income while a family struggling to get by pays 24% ????
investing fuels growth which fuels jobs. You guys want investing too, but you want government to invest with our money. Conservatives believe we have better results when the private sector is doing the investing with thier own money.
Yeah investments fuel job growth in China and such offshore place, not so much here.

Cap gains from offshore ventures should be taxed at 30%.
on shore gains taxed at a lower rate.
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Cap gains from offshore ventures should be taxed at 30%.
really? why?
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Yep no one invested back when the tax rate was that high before did they?
Ohh wait we had a good economy and employment then.
Don't you think doubling the capital gains tax, possibly in some strange cosmic universe, would discourage investors from investing??
Why do conservatives value investment dollars over labor dollars?

Why should $40,000 made from moving money from one place to another be taxed at a lower rate than $40,000 made working in a sewer?

Why does Mitt Romney pay less than 15% on his income while a family struggling to get by pays 24% ????
this question has been asked and answered 100 times...how many more times do you need to see it?

the money has been taxed at the income rate already, then it is taxed again, at the 15% cap gain rate...thats not enough?
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Gold.
Ah yes, the terrified gold market, that has been hyped to insane levels hasn't it?
It's obvious.

Thanks, Glenn Beck.
Actually, you've got it backwards (no surprise). The dollar is in a bubble, precious metals are reacting, unless secondary sales have been pumping up the price of gold since the early 70s.

Backwards, I tell ya. But no matter, pull out of gold and get more FRNs on hand...then get ready for the big surprise.

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