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06-19-2008, 03:35 PM
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Rep Power: 31 | | | Of course the air will need to be compressed. Do you think that will equal or even come close to what we are paying the sand flees for crude. No way.
Yes, a certain amount of energy will need to be spent for these solutions. But the cost should not be near the dollars we are shelling out for gas.
Now, WHO WOULD YOU RATHER PAY? None of these "solutions" are going to be free.
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06-19-2008, 05:25 PM
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Rep Power: 159 | | Quote: Yes, a certain amount of energy will need to be spent for these solutions. But the cost should not be near the dollars we are shelling out for gas It will be compressed by electiricty.
In the process most of the energy used to create the powterial energy stored in the compressed air will be lost.
If it takes you ten ergs of electicity to create one erg of potential energy, you're net waste of energy will be 90%.
I'm sorry I can't make this any easier to understand.
Hydrogen cars and compressed air cars only serve to cut down on emmissions, not to SAVE ENERGY.
All air compression cars are going to do is drive up the cost of electicity. | 
06-19-2008, 05:29 PM
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Rep Power: 83 | | GM is also attempting to mass produce an electric car, the Volt, that they hope to have on the market by 2010, although many think that is a bit ambitious. It would travel 40 miles on a battery charge, which would be accomplished by plugging the car into a standard socket overnight. For travel over 40 miles, it is a hybrid, with a gasoline component that is used only to charge the battery which would power the car. I believe it would average approximately 50mpg in this manner. The Atlantic has a story on it. Electro-Shock Therapy | 
06-19-2008, 06:24 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by editec It will be compressed by electiricty.
In the process most of the energy used to create the powterial energy stored in the compressed air will be lost.
If it takes you ten ergs of electicity to create one erg of potential energy, you're net waste of energy will be 90%.
I'm sorry I can't make this any easier to understand.
Hydrogen cars and compressed air cars only serve to cut down on emmissions, not to SAVE ENERGY.
All air compression cars are going to do is drive up the cost of electicity. oooo I know--we can use compressed air to make the electricity to produce MORE compressed air !!!!!
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06-19-2008, 07:01 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by dilloduck oooo I know--we can use compressed air to make the electricity to produce MORE compressed air !!!!!  There are simple enough ways to do this, it's a shame they'll be sqashed by oil investors. | 
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After the main battery is recharged, does the alternater of a car just needlessly run durring a drive? If so, could I save some money by dirrecting that towards a bank of batteries?
I assume the rig for the extra batteries and the batteries themselves are not too expensive and are fairly long lived.
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06-21-2008, 05:42 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Gungnir In the same vein:
After the main battery is recharged, does the alternater of a car just needlessly run durring a drive? If so, could I save some money by dirrecting that towards a bank of batteries?
I assume the rig for the extra batteries and the batteries themselves are not too expensive and are fairly long lived. Well, you're battery is in constant use in a normal vehicle. It is never completely full. So you're alternator is never going to be able to bybass your main battery at any time without your main battery eventually draining. It could work, but I foresee problems with that. Instead of having your alternator bybass once the main-battery is full, you could instead just have one big bank of batteries and have a large amp alternator charging all of them. Instead of your electricity running off one one main battery, it'll run off of all of them. There is a German woman where I'm from who drives a small chevy s-10 that runs soley on electric power. About every 6 months, she showed up at the auto parts store I worked at and brought about 10 batteries to get core charges on, then purchased 10 more. I'm not sure exactly how her "system" is set up on her truck, but it drives just like a normal vehicle. | 
06-21-2008, 05:47 PM
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06-21-2008, 07:53 PM
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Rep Power: 31 | | | I hope one day to be able to buy an electric vehicle, if I love long enough. From what I have seen of the Volt, it looks good. I do hope GM makes their 2010 prediction goal. If it is priced reasonably, I will give it a look.
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06-21-2008, 09:27 PM
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Rep Power: 136 | | | classic.....so instead of buying gaoline we will buy electricity.....which will be made by burning coal or oil ...... of course there will be less emmissions from the cars....but more from the power plants.....
i wonder where we will bury all these batteries?
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Quote: Originally Posted by manu1959 classic.....so instead of buying gaoline we will buy electricity.....which will be made by burning coal or oil ...... of course there will be less emmissions from the cars....but more from the power plants.....
i wonder where we will bury all these batteries? Do you mean after we spend all that extra energy lugging them with us wherever we go ?
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Quote: Originally Posted by JimH52 You are going to pay. Decide who you want to pay. Electricity is made by Coal and Gasoline and diesel, WE won't save any money or lessen our dependancy on oil by going to electric cars. In fact we will make it worse as we will have to build MORE power plants and use MORE oil to run them.
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06-22-2008, 06:06 AM
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Rep Power: 159 | | | Electric cars serve to decrease pollution if and ONLY IF, the the electicity generated done by non-polluting means.
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Quote: Originally Posted by manu1959 classic.....so instead of buying gaoline we will buy electricity.....which will be made by burning coal or oil ...... of course there will be less emmissions from the cars....but more from the power plants.....
i wonder where we will bury all these batteries? WEll it seems as if you're not satisfied with anything....come man, tell us what you want...  (j/k) | 
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Quote: Originally Posted by manu1959 classic.....so instead of buying gaoline we will buy electricity.....which will be made by burning coal or oil ...... of course there will be less emmissions from the cars....but more from the power plants.....
i wonder where we will bury all these batteries? Plants need to go solar and nuclear and we'll be ok. |  | |
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